Top 100 Youngsters in 2000

Ryan wrote:
Once again, not comparing. Just saying who is the better player by WHAT THEY HAVE DONE OVER THEIR CAREER. It really isn't hard to understand. I like how you took my example and put Scholes and Casillas because it's difficult to say who's the better player. You're a wum.

Even comparing their careers is pointless. You are comparing a player that has played with WORLD CLASS talent around him his entire career versus another player that played for a mid-to-bottom level Betis team and then went to a Valencia team that pretty much wasn't much of an upgrade.

Additionally your example is pretty much proving my point exactly. You are trying to say the keeper is better because he was scouted by the better team which is pretty much the same thing as Andres playing for Barcelona the better team and Joaquin playing for Betis a much worse team.

I've already won.

I didn't argue against your point that Joaquin had better people around him. Nice try though. Grabbing at any little thing to try and claim victory I don't watch foreign football, I have no interest in it. I wouldn't get into an argument with you over foreign football because I know that's your specialty

Why didn't you try and argue further your point about position bollocks? Because it's dead.

Good day, sir.

forestfcfan wrote:Polska, you're so anti-English it's on the verge of racism. Somebody ban this fool.

Whenever someone dis-agrees, he's anti-english, lololol?

iPepe wrote:

forestfcfan wrote:Polska, you're so anti-English it's on the verge of racism. Somebody ban this fool.

Whenever someone dis-agrees, he's anti-english, lololol?

He is anti-english. When does he say anything good about the country? Thinks the young players in England coming through are shite, called Ashley Cole average at defending and attacking, said Chivu's as good as him etc....

What did it for me was saying non hardcore fans wouldn't know Ashley Cole

forestfcfan wrote:Polska, you're so anti-English it's on the verge of racism. Somebody ban this fool.

I love how so many people think I am anti-English on this forum just because I don't agree with "EVERYTHING ENGLISH IS #1!!!OMFGLOLOLOLOLOLERSK8ERS"

Jesus, you guys are almost as bad as Americans sometimes with your hyping yourselves up, except Americans don't accuse you of being racist when you disagree with them.

Danny B wrote:

iPepe wrote:

forestfcfan wrote:Polska, you're so anti-English it's on the verge of racism. Somebody ban this fool.

Whenever someone dis-agrees, he's anti-english, lololol?

He is anti-english. When does he say anything good about the country? Thinks the young players in England coming through are shite, called Ashley Cole average at defending and attacking, said Chivu's as good as him etc....

I regularly state that Wilshere, Aneke and JET are class. Rodwell is usually my first signing on FM.

Ashley Cole is average at defending and attacking compared to Roberto Carlos.

Chivu was class in his day.

blackskar wrote:What did it for me was saying non hardcore fans wouldn't know Ashley Cole

Outside of England, well, unless you support Chelsea, it's kind of true.

Just like I wouldn't expect non-hardcore English fans to know who is Grafite or Suarez or Gekas or perhaps M'Vila or maybe Pastore or Llorente possibly Coentrao et cetera.

It's not like Cole changed the game or had a huge influence in it outside of England.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

forestfcfan wrote:Polska, you're so anti-English it's on the verge of racism. Somebody ban this fool.

I love how so many people think I am anti-English on this forum just because I don't agree with "EVERYTHING ENGLISH IS #1!!!OMFGLOLOLOLOLOLERSK8ERS"

Jesus, you guys are almost as bad as Americans sometimes with your hyping yourselves up, except Americans don't accuse you of being racist when you disagree with them.

Fuck off you racist .

See what i did there?

You called Shawcross shite the other week, or words of that effect. There's a reason why Fergie regrets letting him go

Not even gonna argue Cole, calling him average is fucking stupid

I see.

Danny B wrote:You called Shawcross shite the other week, or words of that effect. There's a reason why Fergie regrets letting him go

Not even gonna argue Cole, calling him average is fucking stupid

Are you sure it was me? I am perhaps one of the few people who rate Shawcross.

And again, average IN COMPARISON to Roberto Carlos.

Pretty sure it was you. What could Carlos do that Cole can't? Free kicks?

Cole is one of the best left backs in the world. I'm not that knowledgeable about defenders, but I can think of one players who is for sure better than Cole: Lahm.

Lahm is right back.

Definitely wasn't me. Like I said, I am one of the few i've encountered who rates Shawcross.

Carlos was better at everything. I am not going to argue the Carlos-Cole again, it wasn't worth it the first time, especially if Luke comes into this thread.

ahlycotc wrote:Cole is one of the best left backs in the world. I'm not that knowledgeable about defenders, but I can think of one players who is for sure better than Cole: Lahm.

NGreat wrote:Lahm is right back.

Speaking of which, he wasn't on the poll I just realized. Hmm. =\

Anyway, Roberto Carlos is fair to say one of the best LB's in history. Cole and Lahm were on a different level, a lower level.

Ryan wrote:

I didn't argue against your point that Joaquin had better people around him. Nice try though. Grabbing at any little thing to try and claim victory I don't watch foreign football, I have no interest in it. I wouldn't get into an argument with you over foreign football because I know that's your specialty

Why didn't you try and argue further your point about position bollocks? Because it's dead.

Good day, sir.

I didn't bother arguing position anymore because its obvious that position matters and you seem intent that it doesn't so there is no point in arguing something when the other person won't change their mind. Position always matters when you compare players in my opinion because different skill sets and behaviors are used in each position. For example, Totti was a world class attacking midfielder who I would have rated up there with Zidane at one point in terms of being a play maker, but once Spaletti converted him to an out and out striker his play making skill dipped and he became more of a second striker/scorer, but world class nonetheless. Because of that I would no longer compare him to Zidane because he doesn't do the same things that he once did.

That's the only point I am trying to make.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:
Ashley Cole is average at defending and attacking compared to Roberto Carlos.

Chivu was class in his day.

As much as I don't care about Ashley Cole, his all around game is better than Roberto Carlos was. Roberto Carlos was never known for being a lockdown full back, he was always known for attacking where as Cole can lock down a side of the field and attack with the best of them. I would hardly call Ashley Cole average compared to Roberto Carlos.

People love to talk about Roberto Carlos and his free kicks, but he was TERRIBLE at them if you compare the amount of attempts versus actual conversions. The power with which he struck them was amazing, but his accuracy was horrible at best. He was a stellar attacking fullback, but Cole too is stellar at attacking. Defending I would actually give the nod to Cole by a comfortable margin.

ahlycotc wrote:Cole is one of the best left backs in the world. I'm not that knowledgeable about defenders, but I can think of one players who is for sure better than Cole: Lahm.

Just curious, but what makes you say that Lahm is for sure better than Cole? I don't agree with you at all and I am not looking to start an argument or debate, I am just curious how you came to your opinion.

AriseForLife wrote:
I didn't bother arguing position anymore because its obvious that position matters and you seem intent that it doesn't so there is no point in arguing something when the other person won't change their mind. Position always matters when you compare players in my opinion because different skill sets and behaviors are used in each position. For example, Totti was a world class attacking midfielder who I would have rated up there with Zidane at one point in terms of being a play maker, but once Spaletti converted him to an out and out striker his play making skill dipped and he became more of a second striker/scorer, but world class nonetheless. Because of that I would no longer compare him to Zidane because he doesn't do the same things that he once did.

That's the only point I am trying to make.

But that's not what we're doing. I honestly don't see why you're comparing positions or attributes.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you make lists of best players of all time, in the league etc. Well how do you do that? How can you honestly give an opinion on say the top 5 players of all time when the contenders play different positions? At some point when you're choosing your number 1 you have to compare them to someone in a different position and eventually you choose THE BETTER PLAYER. Everyone has done it, I don't get how you can argue against it.

Until Ashley COle becomes one of the best Left backs in history, then you could compare.

People love to talk about Roberto Carlos and his free kicks, but he was TERRIBLE at them if you compare the amount of attempts versus actual conversions. The power with which he struck them was amazing, but his accuracy was horrible at best. He was a stellar attacking fullback, but Cole too is stellar at attacking. Defending I would actually give the nod to Cole by a comfortable margin.

Agreed about his freekicks. They were much like CR7's horrid free kicking ability.

People like to forget that Roberto Carlos was great in his defensive side of the game as well.

AriseForLife wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Cole is one of the best left backs in the world. I'm not that knowledgeable about defenders, but I can think of one players who is for sure better than Cole: Lahm.

Just curious, but what makes you say that Lahm is for sure better than Cole? I don't agree with you at all and I am not looking to start an argument or debate, I am just curious how you came to your opinion.

What I meant to say is that Lahm is the only left back that I can say is better than Cole with confidence. I could maybe class other left backs as equal level with Cole. This is all of course in my opinion. I guess I should have reworded my statement to say, "Lahm is the only player I can personally for sure say is better than Cole".

Why can I confidently say Lahm is better? From just watching Lahm, I think he is much better in his attacking duties than Cole. I understand that's not the main role of a defender, but depending on what formation your team plays, the left back and right back players need to have some strength in supporting attacks. And just like all Germans, he has a wicked shot. If you look at defensive duties, I think Lahm is better or equal than Cole.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

People love to talk about Roberto Carlos and his free kicks, but he was TERRIBLE at them if you compare the amount of attempts versus actual conversions. The power with which he struck them was amazing, but his accuracy was horrible at best. He was a stellar attacking fullback, but Cole too is stellar at attacking. Defending I would actually give the nod to Cole by a comfortable margin.

Agreed about his freekicks. They were much like CR7's horrid free kicking ability.

People like to forget that Roberto Carlos was great in his defensive side of the game as well.

Yeah, it annoys me when people say C. Ronaldo is one of the best free-kick takers in the world when, frankly, he isn't.

NGreat wrote:Lahm is right back.

He is right footed, but he can and has played in both positions. He played most of the time as left back with Bayern and just recently (last season) was brought back to right back.

Ryan wrote:
But that's not what we're doing. I honestly don't see why you're comparing positions or attributes.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you make lists of best players of all time, in the league etc. Well how do you do that? How can you honestly give an opinion on say the top 5 players of all time when the contenders play different positions? At some point when you're choosing your number 1 you have to compare them to someone in a different position and eventually you choose THE BETTER PLAYER. Everyone has done it, I don't get how you can argue against it.

Well you haven't seen me make lists of best players because I don't do that. However I have made posts saying which players I think are among the best I've ever seen "based" on positions. I don't do best all time lists because there are too many factors to be considered when comparing players in my opinion. It's not just black and white like so many people seem to think.

If you look at posts here and back on the old EA boards you will find that any comparisons I have ever made are generally only on players with similarities. I have never compared players based on just thinking of who was a better player. If that is your thing I am not knocking it, but that is not how I rate players. For example lets look at some of the top players in the PL. Hypothetically speaking lets say Gerrard, Terry, Fabregas, Torres, and Essien were the 5 players that someone listed in a poll asking who was better. Just about everyone on this board would rank them except for me because I don't see how you can mix and match position players and ask who is better since what makes them better is solely based on how you see them play in their positions. That's just how I am when it comes to comparing players.

ahlycotc wrote:
What I meant to say is that Lahm is the only left back that I can say is better than Cole with confidence. I could maybe class other left backs as equal level with Cole. This is all of course in my opinion. I guess I should have reworded my statement to say, "Lahm is the only player I can personally for sure say is better than Cole".

Why can I confidently say Lahm is better? From just watching Lahm, I think he is much better in his attacking duties than Cole. I understand that's not the main role of a defender, but depending on what formation your team plays, the left back and right back players need to have some strength in supporting attacks. And just like all Germans, he has a wicked shot. If you look at defensive duties, I think Lahm is better or equal than Cole.

Fair enough. I was just curious.

AriseForLife wrote:

Well you haven't seen me make lists of best players because I don't do that. However I have made posts saying which players I think are among the best I've ever seen "based" on positions. I don't do best all time lists because there are too many factors to be considered when comparing players in my opinion. It's not just black and white like so many people seem to think.

If you look at posts here and back on the old EA boards you will find that any comparisons I have ever made are generally only on players with similarities. I have never compared players based on just thinking of who was a better player. If that is your thing I am not knocking it, but that is not how I rate players. For example lets look at some of the top players in the PL. Hypothetically speaking lets say Gerrard, Terry, Fabregas, Torres, and Essien were the 5 players that someone listed in a poll asking who was better. Just about everyone on this board would rank them except for me because I don't see how you can mix and match position players and ask who is better since what makes them better is solely based on how you see them play in their positions. That's just how I am when it comes to comparing players.

I see.


So basically, you =

Has nothing to do with buzzkilling, I just don't see the point in comparing players in a black and white manner.

AriseForLife wrote:Has nothing to do with buzzkilling, I just don't see the point in comparing players in a black and white manner.

All right then, whom will you compare then?

SBSP_FIFA wrote:All right then, whom will you compare then?

I compare a lot of players if they play in similar or the same positions. I compare Cesc Fabregas to Xavi when I talk with friends, or Ashely Cole to the Juventus Gianluca Zambrotta, etc.

I have a question for you, If I told you who is the better player Lampard to Chris Dagnall? Would you say I can't tell you because they don't play in the same position?