The quality and attraction of Celtic

Yes their is a massive attraction of Celtic and Rangers due to their history i agree thoroughly but the Championship has some massive clubs such as West Ham, Leeds and Nottingham Forest and many more in the Championship and League 1, I am sure many players would play for these clubs due to their history. SPL is a very poor league now and the only good support i have seen on television of any club was Celtic, Rangers weren't bad but as many people have said it is gradually declining and i don't know when a club apart from the Old Firm will ever make it in to the top two.

I reckon Gary Hooper will move back if the right offer comes in as he has done well in England and this should happen again if he does move to Southampton.

Fonseca wrote:

The Maestro wrote:With the kind of finances Premier League clubs get, of course both Old Firm sides would be able to survive the Premier League. They would have a head start over most of the clubs already with their fanbase.

Ok

So why doesn't your "huge fanbase" attract enough money for Rangers or Celtic?

Because of the League they play in.

Name a Premiership club that has more fans around the world than Celtic other than Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal?

The Maestro wrote:

Jordi wrote:Each Premier League team gets £40m a season in TV rights shit, spread over the season, + an extra bit of cash when games are live on TV. I think.

Winners get about £80M
Team at the bottom gets £40M
Every game broadcasted gets participating clubs £4M, twice what Celtic and Rangers get from Sky annually.

Ofcourse our fanbase should just account for the difference according to Fonseca

Where did you get these figures?

Jordi wrote:My word.

I didn't think one little rumour would turn into one huge debate about whether the SPL is good or not.

It's not to do with the rumour that he may go to Southampton, it's that specific post. Looking at the quote on the Celtic forum the post is really biased, only really looking at cons of going to Celtic and pros of going to Southampton.

Please stop comparing yourselves to the premier league, all this bollocks about not receiving the same money as EPL clubs is stupid. A more realistic comparison would be the Austrian league, Cypriot league or the Israeli league, where you earn 20x the amount they earn.

Maestro let me put this into perspective

Ronaldo shirt sales earn the club atleast 150k euros a year, if your support was as good as you say you'd earn atleast 40m in collective merchandise and commercial rights

Next argument

The Maestro wrote:Name a Premiership club that has more fans around the world than Celtic other than Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal?

ShakerMatty wrote:Yes their is a massive attraction of Celtic and Rangers due to their history i agree thoroughly but the Championship has some massive clubs such as West Ham, Leeds and Nottingham Forest and many more in the Championship and League 1, I am sure many players would play for these clubs due to their history. SPL is a very poor league now and the only good support i have seen on television of any club was Celtic, Rangers weren't bad but as many people have said it is gradually declining and i don't know when a club apart from the Old Firm will ever make it in to the top two.

I reckon Gary Hooper will move back if the right offer comes in as he has done well in England and this should happen again if he does move to Southampton.

Southampton cannot afford Hooper ffs.

Can we ban all talk of SPL?

Fonseca wrote:Please stop comparing yourselves to the premier league, all this bollocks about not receiving the same money as EPL clubs is stupid. A more realistic comparison would be the Austrian league, Cypriot league or the Israeli league, where you earn 20x the amount they earn.

Maestro let me put this into perspective

Ronaldo shirt sales earn the club atleast 150k euros a year, if your support was as good as you say you'd earn atleast 40m in collective merchandise and commercial rights

Next argument

What and BPL clubs don't sell shirts?

ConorCelticFC wrote:

ShakerMatty wrote:Yes their is a massive attraction of Celtic and Rangers due to their history i agree thoroughly but the Championship has some massive clubs such as West Ham, Leeds and Nottingham Forest and many more in the Championship and League 1, I am sure many players would play for these clubs due to their history. SPL is a very poor league now and the only good support i have seen on television of any club was Celtic, Rangers weren't bad but as many people have said it is gradually declining and i don't know when a club apart from the Old Firm will ever make it in to the top two.

I reckon Gary Hooper will move back if the right offer comes in as he has done well in England and this should happen again if he does move to Southampton.

Southampton cannot afford Hooper ffs.

Why not?

The Maestro wrote:Name a Premiership club that has more fans around the world than Celtic other than Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal?

Chelsea, Spurs and perhaps even Manchester City who are increasing in popularity, unsurprisingly.

The Maestro wrote:I respect the way your going about making your point Laurencio, but I think Hooper will get his chance with England. He shouldn't face any discrimination because of what league he plays in. When he's ready, he'll get a call up. And if he wants a move, he will move to a Premier League side, not the Championship. So tell me what is it Southampton can offer him that Celtic can't? You don't even KNOW that they will be playing in the Premier League next year?

The things you mentioned that Celtic can't offer are:

The latter stages of the Champions League? No.
Playing for one of the more competitive clubs in the world? No.

So he could play for Celtic, be idolised by millions of fans around the world, win trophies, play in the Champions League, play in front of huge crowds, and play in a team which is much better than any Championship side.

Or go down South to Englands second tier to hope for Premier League promotion and pray that they manage to stay up, which would be highly unlikely.

I've browsed the Southampton forums for a look at what they're saying and they KNOW they have no chance of getting him.

Considering how under-valued the SPL is I think he could score 50 goals in the league and Capello would still look to a youngster having 5 or so caps and 1 goal in Manchester United rather than him.

The only thing that I see Southampton have going for them is Premiership football. If he's as good as people claim he is, then based on the team Southampton currently have, getting him would more or less guarantee them a spot in the Premiership next season. More importantly it would guarantee him a starting spot in the premiership next season. They have a manager who is ambitious and demands fairly attractive football, and owners who are willing to spend to put Southampton "back where they belong".

He will win more with Celtic, and he'll play in the Champions League, but 6-8 somewhat competetive fixtures a season isn't going to get him noticed by the bigger premiership clubs. At least I don't believe it will, I could be wrong.

I would agree that waiting for a premiership club would be the best, but considering Southampton are looking fairly certain to go up, it's not as bad an offer as Celtic fans seem to indicate.

I have no idea how realistic the signing is. I'm only looking at what I'm presented with.

ConorCelticFC wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

I would generally agree that playing for Celtic is a huge deal, but if your desire is to play for say the national team. You have the ambition to play in the latter stages of the Champions League. Maybe even play for one of the more competetive clubs in the world. I'm sorry, you're a very big club with a large history, but you're not going to be competing with the best of them anytime soon. If you want all of these things, as I think is the case for Hooper, it would be difficult if not impossible to do that with Celtic, namely beacuse of the SPL.

Capello isn't even considering Hooper, but readily looks towards Championship players. It might be unfair, but that's the stance he's taken, and he's unlikely to change his views on that. I can't personally recall any Celtic or Rangers players who went to a very large European club in the past few years. That in itself, is for me reason enough for Hooper to consider the change. If, however, all he wants to do is win a few trophies and lead a comfortable life in a fairly non-competetive environment (no offence), then he should stay.

As I said. Nothing to do with the size of the clubs, their history or the fans. All to do with his career and his ambition. If he wants to play for England, as is the case I believe, he simply can't stay with Celtic.

Depend what you mean by competitive. With Celtic he plays in the biggest derby in Britain a good few times a season and challenges for trophies. If he went to the premiership he would be at a mid-table club with probaly less fans and no prospects of winning things. As I said before, there is absolutely no chance of him going to the Championship.

In the Premiership he would be more likely to impress bigger clubs with his performances though, and be noticed for a spot in the England squad. I dunno if he's talented enough, but if he believes that he is then I would imagine that would be more important to him than winning the SPL and Scottish Cup.

The only reason to go to Southampton is because they are likely to head up next season, and he'd be guaranteed a starting spot in the Premiership. With a mid-table premiership club he probably wouldn't be guaranteed that.

MickStupp wrote:

Fonseca wrote:Please stop comparing yourselves to the premier league, all this bollocks about not receiving the same money as EPL clubs is stupid. A more realistic comparison would be the Austrian league, Cypriot league or the Israeli league, where you earn 20x the amount they earn.

Maestro let me put this into perspective

Ronaldo shirt sales earn the club atleast 150k euros a year, if your support was as good as you say you'd earn atleast 40m in collective merchandise and commercial rights

Next argument

What and BPL clubs don't sell shirts?

Not nearly as much as Celtic and Rangers apparently

Cadbury wrote:Can we ban all talk of SPL?

This is a football forum, that would be ridiculous. What's your reason anyway?

Jordi wrote:

ConorCelticFC wrote:

Southampton cannot afford Hooper ffs.

Why not?

Besides the fact he turned down a move to the premiership when he signed for us, so would be unlikely to go to you anyway, I can't see you spending 9 mill. And that's my minimum guess.

The Maestro wrote:Name a Premiership club that has more fans around the world than Celtic other than Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal?

You can fall back on fan base, but at the end of the day, what does that matter?

Football is played on a pitch, not on a piece of paper with numbers of supporters on and last time I checked Celtic were a football club. They're are a well known club and have a lot of fans, but there's no denying that the football is pretty wank. That's the main thing for me, I don't care about the media hype, the trophies, the soap opera stuff, just what happens on the pitch because frankly I love watching football.

ConorCelticFC wrote:

Jordi wrote:Why not?

Besides the fact he turned down a move to the premiership when he signed for us, so would be unlikely to go to you anyway, I can't see you spending 9 mill. And that's my minimum guess.

Wouldn't surprise me if we spent £9m, considering Adkins has previously stated that the Chamberlain transfer fee was all being used on transfers (£12m).

It's unlikely, but still more than possible. If not this month, i reckon he'll join us in the summer if we're in the PL.

Zzonked wrote:

The Maestro wrote:Name a Premiership club that has more fans around the world than Celtic other than Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal?

You can fall back on fan base, but at the end of the day, what does that matter?

Football is played on a pitch, not on a piece of paper with numbers of supporters on and last time I checked Celtic were a football club. They're are a well known club and have a lot of fans, but there's no denying that the football is pretty wank. That's the main thing for me, I don't care about the media hype, the trophies, the soap opera stuff, just what happens on the pitch because frankly I love watching football.

Do you watch many Celtic matches. We've already established they have a better team than Southampton so what's your point in relation to the debate?

Jordi wrote:
It's unlikely, but still more than possible. If not this month, i reckon he'll join us in the summer if we're in the PL.

Good luck with your deluded transfer target goals of 2012 Jordi.

The Maestro wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

The Maestro wrote:Name a Premiership club that has more fans around the world than Celtic other than Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal?

You can fall back on fan base, but at the end of the day, what does that matter?

Football is played on a pitch, not on a piece of paper with numbers of supporters on and last time I checked Celtic were a football club. They're are a well known club and have a lot of fans, but there's no denying that the football is pretty wank. That's the main thing for me, I don't care about the media hype, the trophies, the soap opera stuff, just what happens on the pitch because frankly I love watching football.

Do you watch many Celtic matches. We've already established they have a better team than Southampton so what's your point in relation to the debate?

Was just giving my opinion on the "we have more fans so we're better" argument. I'm not really bothered about the Championship v Scotland debate.

Fonseca wrote:

MickStupp wrote:
What and BPL clubs don't sell shirts?

Not nearly as much as Celtic and Rangers apparently

Well your Ronaldo comparison seems flawed. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say with it but how many of Ronaldo shirts are bought outside Madrid? When you consider that people who have Real down as their 2nd or even 3rd favourite team may have a shirt, besides the dedicated supporters, that means their commercial reach is much larger than the Old Firm. They don't have any globally recognised players and there can't be many casual Old Firm fans who'd be willing to buy merchandise. I even had a pair of Man Utd football boots as a kid and I didn't support them (can't remember how I got them).

Cadbury wrote:Can we ban all talk of SPL?

Why its part of football, and there are still lots of people who care about the SPL. Fuck me first its all the racial talk now the SPL what do you just want to talk about Liverpool all the time, there are other things in football other than Liverpool football club that people want to talk about.

The Maestro wrote:

Jordi wrote:
It's unlikely, but still more than possible. If not this month, i reckon he'll join us in the summer if we're in the PL.

Good luck with your deluded transfer target goals of 2012 Jordi.

It's far from deluded.

Did this guy ever disclose how many Southampton games he watched so far this season after saying he had watched a lot of both sides?

Uncle John from Jamaica wrote:Did this guy ever disclose how many Southampton games he watched so far this season after saying he had watched a lot of both sides?

Not that I've seen, no.

Jordi wrote:

The Maestro wrote:

Good luck with your deluded transfer target goals of 2012 Jordi.

It's far from deluded.

You said unlikely, but "MORE THAN POSSIBLE" .. make your mind up

And it's very delusional to think you have a good chance of signing a striker that, after signing for Celtic from a Championship team, said he had turned down offers from lower Premiership sides but chose Celtic because he didn't want to be at a struggling team in the Premiership and seen Celtic as a better lure for him. After playing well and attracting interest, why would he go back down to a CHAMPIONSHIP side, a side worse than the team he currently plays for, let alone a bottom half Premiership team!? Which you will maybe be next year, if you're lucky.

Very ambitious lot you are.

The Maestro wrote:

Jordi wrote:It's far from deluded.

You said unlikely, but "MORE THAN POSSIBLE" .. make your mind up

And it's very delusional to think you have a good chance of signing a striker that, after signing for Celtic from a Championship team, said he had turned down offers from lower Premiership sides but chose Celtic because he didn't want to be at a struggling team in the Premiership and seen Celtic as a better lure for him. After playing well and attracting interest, why would he go back down to a CHAMPIONSHIP side, a side worse than the team he currently plays for, let alone a bottom half Premiership team!? Which you will maybe be next year, if you're lucky.

Very ambitious lot you are.

Can you provide us with quotes from said player?

I saw the Blackpool one and the Portsmouth one and one other I can't remember and highlights of most of the rest. When I said a lot of both, well I meant every Celtic game and a few Southampton games. I still have a good idea of the quality of their side.

ConorCelticFC wrote:I saw the Blackpool one and the Portsmouth one and one other I can't remember and highlights of most of the rest. When I said a lot of both, well I meant every Celtic game and a few Southampton games. I still have a good idea of the quality of their side.

So, you watched two of our poorest games this season then.

Leeds, Ipswich, Middlesbrough, and West Ham were some of our best performances, try finding them.