ahlycotc wrote:http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=117612
Found it.
Never clicked the link before and burst out laughing at the title:
Premiership fans arrogance has spread to the Championship
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The quality and attraction of Celtic
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Never clicked the link before and burst out laughing at the title:
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Laurencio wrote:ahlycotc wrote:http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=117612
Found it.
How long did you spend looking for that
Less than a minute. I just found the locked thread on here and copied the url to Google.
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ahlycotc wrote:Laurencio wrote:
How long did you spend looking for that
Less than a minute. I just found the locked thread on here and copied the url to Google.
Clever.
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What's so funny about the title COYS?
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Everything. 
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Maestro. One question. Do Celtic fans believe that the SPL, as a league, is better than the championship?
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COYS wrote:Everything.
Found it hilarious but don't know why. Interdasting.
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I have my reasons, just don't want to share. I'm a very private person.
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Laurencio wrote:Maestro. One question. Do Celtic fans believe that the SPL, as a league, is better than the championship?
No. But Celtic is a far better option than any Championship team. The player will play for Celtic, not the Scottish Premier League. One of the biggest clubs in the world. Best fans in the country, 50k home attendances, chance of winning titles, playing Champions League football. But I think Conor did a good job in showing that players generally sign for Celtic over some Premiership teams, never mind Championship teams. He made a great post and so far it's not been given any recognition because some members just want to have the same arguments over and over again.
ConorCelticFC wrote:I'm on a Celtic forum and I noticed a thread from here that someone had posted on it about Gary Hooper moving to Southampton. Needless to say, the reaction of the Talkceltic members wasn't great. To be honest, I feel some of the opinions on here are very unfair and I'd like to put across my argument that Celtic are very underrated as a team and as a prospect to players.
Firstly, besides the fact that the guy who made the thread seemed to be set on listing all the cons of Celtic and all the pros of Southampton, an interesting point that didn't really come up was who were the better team. Southampton are top of the Championship now but I feel that their team is far inferior to that of Celtic, as someone who has watched a lot of both this season. Southampton have a Celtic reject, Jos Hooiveld, who only played a handful of games for us over the last 2 years before we loaned him to them, where he has started every match. Danny Fox is another who didn't make the grade at Celtic and yet now starts for Southampton, the top team in the Championship. A combined XI would be, in my opinion:
Forster (Celtic)
Matthews (Celtic) Majstorovic (Celtic) Mulgrew(Celtic) Izaguirre (Celtic)
Forrest (Celtic) Kayal (Celtic) Ledley (Celtic) Lallana (Southampton)
Hooper (Celtic) Lambert (Southapton)
In my honest opinion, that is the best overall team. Even to put Lallana in is generous, considering I am leaving out established international midfielders in Ki (Korean Footballer of the Year 2011 ahead of the likes of Park and Lee), Commons (top scorer in the Championship when we bought him in January last year), Brown and Wanyama.
Also, the consensus that most people would rather play for Southampton is at odds with the patterns of footballers in recent years. Ledley left Cardiff to join us, rejecting Stoke, as did Matthews. Commons left Derby for us. Hooper rejected a contract offer from an unnamed premiership club to join us last season. Wanyama rejected Villa. Lustig rejected Fulham. The list goes on. Choosing a premiership club over Celtic is a hard decision for most players, and in all honesty choosing a Championship club is hugely unlikely.
All this is academic because Hooper will not be going to Southampton, unless they can afford at the very least 8-9 million pounds. Which they can't. But for a team that beat Rennes in Europe this year and drew twice with Udinese (top of Serie A at the time, and it was their first team by the way, certainly in their home leg), I feel that Celtic have not been getting the respect they deserve.
Sorry for the rant.
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Laurencio wrote:Maestro. One question. Do Celtic fans believe that the SPL, as a league, is better than the championship?
I don't. But Celtic are better than championship level and have a better team than the likes of Wigan, Norwich and Bolton.
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The Maestro wrote:Laurencio wrote:Maestro. One question. Do Celtic fans believe that the SPL, as a league, is better than the championship?
No. But Celtic is a far better option than any Championship team. The player will play for Celtic, not the Scottish Premier League. One of the biggest clubs in the world. Best fans in the country, 50k home attendances, chance of winning titles, playing Champions League football. But I think Conor did a good job in showing that players generally sign for Celtic over some Premiership teams, never mind Championship teams. He made a great post and so far it's not been given any recognition because some members just want to have the same arguments over and over again.
I would generally agree that playing for Celtic is a huge deal, but if your desire is to play for say the national team. You have the ambition to play in the latter stages of the Champions League. Maybe even play for one of the more competetive clubs in the world. I'm sorry, you're a very big club with a large history, but you're not going to be competing with the best of them anytime soon. If you want all of these things, as I think is the case for Hooper, it would be difficult if not impossible to do that with Celtic, namely beacuse of the SPL.
Capello isn't even considering Hooper, but readily looks towards Championship players. It might be unfair, but that's the stance he's taken, and he's unlikely to change his views on that. I can't personally recall any Celtic or Rangers players who went to a very large European club in the past few years. That in itself, is for me reason enough for Hooper to consider the change. If, however, all he wants to do is win a few trophies and lead a comfortable life in a fairly non-competetive environment (no offence), then he should stay.
As I said. Nothing to do with the size of the clubs, their history or the fans. All to do with his career and his ambition. If he wants to play for England, as is the case I believe, he simply can't stay with Celtic.
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I can see this going out of hand pretty quickly. Ooer 
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I respect the way your going about making your point Laurencio, but I think Hooper will get his chance with England. He shouldn't face any discrimination because of what league he plays in. When he's ready, he'll get a call up. And if he wants a move, he will move to a Premier League side, not the Championship. So tell me what is it Southampton can offer him that Celtic can't? You don't even KNOW that they will be playing in the Premier League next year?
The things you mentioned that Celtic can't offer are:
The latter stages of the Champions League? No.
Playing for one of the more competitive clubs in the world? No.
So he could play for Celtic, be idolised by millions of fans around the world, win trophies, play in the Champions League, play in front of huge crowds, and play in a team which is much better than any Championship side.
Or go down South to Englands second tier to hope for Premier League promotion and pray that they manage to stay up, which would be highly unlikely.
I've browsed the Southampton forums for a look at what they're saying and they KNOW they have no chance of getting him.
The things you mentioned that Celtic can't offer are:
The latter stages of the Champions League? No.
Playing for one of the more competitive clubs in the world? No.
So he could play for Celtic, be idolised by millions of fans around the world, win trophies, play in the Champions League, play in front of huge crowds, and play in a team which is much better than any Championship side.
Or go down South to Englands second tier to hope for Premier League promotion and pray that they manage to stay up, which would be highly unlikely.
I've browsed the Southampton forums for a look at what they're saying and they KNOW they have no chance of getting him.
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I agree that they both have a better team than Southampton but the real question is: do you think they have a team that could survive the BPL? Say Southampton get promoted, I'd predict that they'd bring in a few players and this time next year could be better than the Old Firm.The Maestro wrote:Mick I'm surprised you'd say the Old Firm are Championship level, the opening post was a good comparison between Celtic and Southampton. Celtic and Rangers both have a better team than the Championship leaders. And Rangers performance in Europe last season under Walter Smith was impressive.
Looking at Rangers, they really lack creativity. Aluko's made an improvement, but I reckon they'd feel the consequences a lot more down south. In Europe last year, we only managed to beat Bursaspor. Granted, we had some decent away performances but the Premier League is just incomparable because you need consistency. And Whittaker's bad enough in the SPL never mind up against good wide players
It's difficult to place them right now but with the money of the BPL I think they'd end up being mid-table Premier League clubs after a few years or so. Not that it will ever happen.
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Laurencio wrote:The Maestro wrote:
No. But Celtic is a far better option than any Championship team. The player will play for Celtic, not the Scottish Premier League. One of the biggest clubs in the world. Best fans in the country, 50k home attendances, chance of winning titles, playing Champions League football. But I think Conor did a good job in showing that players generally sign for Celtic over some Premiership teams, never mind Championship teams. He made a great post and so far it's not been given any recognition because some members just want to have the same arguments over and over again.
I would generally agree that playing for Celtic is a huge deal, but if your desire is to play for say the national team. You have the ambition to play in the latter stages of the Champions League. Maybe even play for one of the more competetive clubs in the world. I'm sorry, you're a very big club with a large history, but you're not going to be competing with the best of them anytime soon. If you want all of these things, as I think is the case for Hooper, it would be difficult if not impossible to do that with Celtic, namely beacuse of the SPL.
Capello isn't even considering Hooper, but readily looks towards Championship players. It might be unfair, but that's the stance he's taken, and he's unlikely to change his views on that. I can't personally recall any Celtic or Rangers players who went to a very large European club in the past few years. That in itself, is for me reason enough for Hooper to consider the change. If, however, all he wants to do is win a few trophies and lead a comfortable life in a fairly non-competetive environment (no offence), then he should stay.
As I said. Nothing to do with the size of the clubs, their history or the fans. All to do with his career and his ambition. If he wants to play for England, as is the case I believe, he simply can't stay with Celtic.
Depend what you mean by competitive. With Celtic he plays in the biggest derby in Britain a good few times a season and challenges for trophies. If he went to the premiership he would be at a mid-table club with probaly less fans and no prospects of winning things. As I said before, there is absolutely no chance of him going to the Championship.
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My word.
I didn't think one little rumour would turn into one huge debate about whether the SPL is good or not.
I didn't think one little rumour would turn into one huge debate about whether the SPL is good or not.
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With the kind of finances Premier League clubs get, of course both Old Firm sides would be able to survive the Premier League. They would have a head start over most of the clubs already with their fanbase.
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There absolute arseholes Newcastle and Southhampton are shit clubs. Us and the huns are much bigger clubs and we'd hammer southhampton and imo beat Newcastle to and how the fuck could they say that fat cunt Boyd is better than Larsson
So stupid
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We wouldn't beat Newcastle now, that's for sure. Everything else he said was correct.
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The Maestro wrote:With the kind of finances Premier League clubs get, of course both Old Firm sides would be able to survive the Premier League. They would have a head start over most of the clubs already with their fanbase.
Ok
So why doesn't your "huge fanbase" attract enough money for Rangers or Celtic?
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We aren't a shit club though.
We may have an inferior team to Celtic, but we're pretty well run at boardroom level nowadays. Helped by the estate of Markus Liebherr (
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We may have an inferior team to Celtic, but we're pretty well run at boardroom level nowadays. Helped by the estate of Markus Liebherr (
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Fonseca wrote:The Maestro wrote:With the kind of finances Premier League clubs get, of course both Old Firm sides would be able to survive the Premier League. They would have a head start over most of the clubs already with their fanbase.
Ok
So why doesn't your "huge fanbase" attract enough money for Rangers or Celtic?
Let me get this straight, you expect our fanbase to account for the billions that is pumped into Premier League clubs by Sky?
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The Maestro wrote:We wouldn't beat Newcastle now, that's for sure. Everything else he said was correct.
You wouldn't 'hammer' Southampton either....
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COYS wrote:The Maestro wrote:We wouldn't beat Newcastle now, that's for sure. Everything else he said was correct.
You wouldn't 'hammer' Southampton either....
Jordi wrote:
We may have an inferior team to Celtic
Next.
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Each Premier League team gets £40m a season in TV rights shit, spread over the season, + an extra bit of cash when games are live on TV. I think.
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Yeah there team is inferior. But you still wouldn't hammer them
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The Maestro wrote:Fonseca wrote:
Ok
So why doesn't your "huge fanbase" attract enough money for Rangers or Celtic?
Let me get this straight, you expect our fanbase to account for the billions that is pumped into Premier League clubs by Sky?
No I expect your "huge fanbase" to account for "two of the best supported clubs" in the world.
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Doesn't mean we couldn't give you a good game. 'Hammer' might be a slightly excessive term, however.The Maestro wrote:COYS wrote:
You wouldn't 'hammer' Southampton either....Jordi wrote:
We may have an inferior team to Celtic
Next.
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Jordi wrote:Each Premier League team gets £40m a season in TV rights shit, spread over the season, + an extra bit of cash when games are live on TV. I think.
Winners get about £80M
Team at the bottom gets £40M
Every game broadcasted gets participating clubs £4M, twice what Celtic and Rangers get from Sky annually.
Ofcourse our fanbase should just account for the difference according to Fonseca
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Fonseca wrote:The Maestro wrote:With the kind of finances Premier League clubs get, of course both Old Firm sides would be able to survive the Premier League. They would have a head start over most of the clubs already with their fanbase.
Ok
So why doesn't your "huge fanbase" attract enough money for Rangers or Celtic?
The fact is, Celtic fans overestimate the size of their own fan base these days. They are small fish compared to the big hitters of the EPL these days.
