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Best player if his generation, yes. Best player ever? Now that's just a silly thing to say.

Dean wrote:Best player if his generation, yes. Best player ever? Now that's just a silly thing to say.

Why is it silly?

Dean wrote:Best player if his generation, yes. Best player ever? Now that's just a silly thing to say.

Not really.

I just think it's silly, because comparing players from different generations is stupid. How can you honestly say Messi is the best ever? When players like Maradonna and Pele have graced the pitch in different generations? Football back then, is worlds apart from what it's like now. There's just too many opinions and not enough difinative facts, to out rightly say 'He's the best ever'.

It's an opinion. People base it on the skills of the players. It may be difficult to compare the two different generations, but it's not silly to try.

Dean wrote:I just think it's silly, because comparing players from different generations is stupid. How can you honestly say Messi is the best ever? When players like Maradonna and Pele have graced the pitch in different generations? Football back then, is worlds apart from what it's like now. There's just too many opinions and not enough difinative facts, to out rightly say 'He's the best ever'.

That's why to say "he's the best player ever" Dean, is someone's opinion.

Best player I've ever seen...

How can you even compare a player with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Villa, Alves and Pedro doing everything to get the best out of him with any other player in the modern day, let alone with Pele and Maradona.

Best player ever, Probably not.

Best player now and probably of the next 5 years, Yes.

Saying that right there is like saying Kobe is the best Bball player ever.. better than MJ

ResurrectionRooney wrote:How can you even compare a player with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Villa, Alves and Pedro doing everything to get the best out of him with any other player in the modern day, let alone with Pele and Maradona.

Pelé had just as good players around him as Messi. That Santos and Brazil team had some truly sublime creative talent. Diego was the "main man" yes, but he was nowhere near as consistent as Messi. The only thing, in my opinion, he has over him is the World Cup performance in 1986. Unfortunately I highly doubt Messi or anyone else will ever match that performance.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:How can you even compare a player with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Villa, Alves and Pedro doing everything to get the best out of him with any other player in the modern day, let alone with Pele and Maradona.

If it was his teammates, then why hasn't any other player playing for Barca come close to Messi?

Cristiano wrote:Saying that right there is like saying Kobe is the best Bball player ever.. better than MJ

Stop making silly comparisions. This is football, not basketaball.

Exactly Messi better than Pele... silly comparison.

Cristiano is just bitter.

Also Shakira is so freaking hot, I knew there was reason I hated Pique and now I know why.......Jealousy.

Well I know it's an opinion Danny, and I said it's a fucking stupid opinion to hold. Based on the brief points I put forward in my last post. In fact I didn't even put my arguments forward, just a basic summary of what I felt on the subject.

And I stand by that.

ahlycotc wrote:Cristiano is just bitter.

You spelt better wrong.

Dean wrote:Well I know it's an opinion Danny, and I said it's a fucking stupid opinion to hold. Based on the brief points I put forward in my last post. In fact I didn't even put my arguments forward, just a basic summary of what I felt on the subject.

And I stand by that.

So you also think that calling Diego Maradona and Pelé two of the greatest footballers ever is stupid then?

ahlycotc wrote:Cristiano is just bitter.

How?

No. I don't think calling Pele and Maradonna two of the greatest footballers ever is stupid, because they are. As is Messi, but out right saying a footballer is the best ever, is stupid. Because there are different generations, and football has changed so much over the years.

I think you can pick a variety if footballers and say with assurance 'Yes, they're in the group of the best ever'. But picking out of that group who is the best ever, is silly. Because the players in that group could/would be from different generations and stages of the game of football.

Do you understand my point?

Messi is the 2nd best player guys, closely followed by Suarez, Liverpool have got something really special in that boy.

Dean wrote:No. I don't think calling Pele and Maradonna two of the greatest footballers ever is stupid, because they are. As is Messi, but out right saying a footballer is the best ever, is stupid. Because there are different generations, and football has changed so much over the years.

I think you can pick a variety if footballers and say with assurance 'Yes, they're in the group of the best ever'. But picking out of that group who is the best ever, is silly. Because the players in that group could/would be from different generations and stages of the game of football.

Do you understand my point?

I do undersand it. I can't say I completely agree with it, but I do understand it.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:How can you even compare a player with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Villa, Alves and Pedro doing everything to get the best out of him with any other player in the modern day, let alone with Pele and Maradona.

If it was his teammates, then why hasn't any other player playing for Barca come close to Messi?

Because the team is built around Messi. If it's not his team-mates, why doesn't he score a goal a game for Argentina?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

If it was his teammates, then why hasn't any other player playing for Barca come close to Messi?

Because the team is built around Messi. If it's not his team-mates, why doesn't he score a goal a game for Argentina?

We've been through this a couple of times. Do you still not understand?

Messi Best player of all time.

kyro7 wrote:Messi is the 2nd best player guys, closely followed by Suarez, Liverpool have got something really special in that boy.

everyone is just jealous.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

If it was his teammates, then why hasn't any other player playing for Barca come close to Messi?

Because the team is built around Messi. If it's not his team-mates, why doesn't he score a goal a game for Argentina?

Because Argentina is not good. Without Messi, they would be even worse. Do you even watch Argentina?

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Because the team is built around Messi. If it's not his team-mates, why doesn't he score a goal a game for Argentina?

Because Argentina is not good. Without Messi, they would be even worse. Do you even watch Argentina?

Right, so you're saying he can only perform as he does with phenomenal players around him?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Because Argentina is not good. Without Messi, they would be even worse. Do you even watch Argentina?

Right, so you're saying he can only perform as he does with phenomenal players around him?

He still performs for Argentina, but not as well with Barca. That's normal. Any player would play better with people like Xavi and Iniesta around them. Ronaldo doesn't perform as well with Portugal either.