Lets face it if he was just an average squad player he would be gone.
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Suarez banned for eight games.
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Spot on.Sean wrote:Even if Suarez did use it, lets be honest, he hardly meant it in a chummy way did he?
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Danny wrote:Yeah, black rappers...LFC_Grunners wrote:I may be wrong but aren't South Americans allowed to say Nigga? They seem to do so on all the rap songs?
Immortal Technique and Fat Joe say hi.
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I'm sure they will, this is the FA. They would never charge people without evidence.Jordo wrote:Mc Babel wrote:I'll wait for the evidence.
Ditto.
That's if they ever release it.
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Oh yes, I know exactly who they are.LFC_Grunners wrote:Danny wrote:Yeah, black rappers...
Immortal Technique and Fat Joe say hi.
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xPeterLFC95 wrote:Suarez was confronting Evra, and used a word that in Uruguay, yes, means something pally, but in England will be seen as offensive. It's only logical that they will assume that he meant it in a bad way, given they were confronting each other.Dan wrote:
Get fucking out of it. He's lived in Europe yes, but the only country that uses the term 'negro' in an offensive way is over here. AND HE DIDN'T EVEN SAY THAT.
Not to mention, Suarez has a record as long as your arm. Not a racist record, but still not a nice one.
Ah yes, so Suarez used a word in his native language, perfectly acceptable within his culture. However, this word sounds similar to the word 'negro' the Spanish word for black, which Britons stole as a racial term to describe black people.
How silly of Suarez, he should have studied the history of our language and ensured that no mix-ups like this could have happened.
Like I said. Hernandez used it, so did that Thiago from Barcelona. I duly expect them to see similar bans.
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Danny wrote:Oh yes, I know exactly who they are.LFC_Grunners wrote:
Immortal Technique and Fat Joe say hi.
Google Fat Joe he's whiter than fuckin Casper and say's Nigga all the time and no one has a problem because he's South American
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Do you fuck.Dan wrote:xPeterLFC95 wrote:Suarez was confronting Evra, and used a word that in Uruguay, yes, means something pally, but in England will be seen as offensive. It's only logical that they will assume that he meant it in a bad way, given they were confronting each other.
Not to mention, Suarez has a record as long as your arm. Not a racist record, but still not a nice one.
Ah yes, so Suarez used a word in his native language, perfectly acceptable within his culture. However, this word sounds similar to the word 'negro' the Spanish word for black, which Britons stole as a racial term to describe black people.
How silly of Suarez, he should have studied the history of our language and ensured that no mix-ups like this could have happened.
Like I said. Hernandez used it, so did that Thiago from Barcelona. I duly expect them to see similar bans.
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Hernandez wasn't exactly confronting an opponent, was he?Dan wrote:xPeterLFC95 wrote:Suarez was confronting Evra, and used a word that in Uruguay, yes, means something pally, but in England will be seen as offensive. It's only logical that they will assume that he meant it in a bad way, given they were confronting each other.
Not to mention, Suarez has a record as long as your arm. Not a racist record, but still not a nice one.
Ah yes, so Suarez used a word in his native language, perfectly acceptable within his culture. However, this word sounds similar to the word 'negro' the Spanish word for black, which Britons stole as a racial term to describe black people.
How silly of Suarez, he should have studied the history of our language and ensured that no mix-ups like this could have happened.
Like I said. Hernandez used it, so did that Thiago from Barcelona. I duly expect them to see similar bans.
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Dink wrote:NZG wrote:Also all you cunts saying you hope he got abused. go fuck yourselves, you bring shame to our club.
I also agree with scott. Don't want a racist at our club.
Suarez admitted he said negrito didn't he?A word that is always used in his home country, not meant to be offensive.
Do you think he meant to be friendly? In a match like that?
Not friendly, but whether it is meant offensively is a cultural issue. they are certainly more free with words there. One of their player's is nicknamed "el mono" It's a non-offensive term. If you said that here in English that's a ban and a fine.
At the same time he could easily have said it offensively thinking he'd get away with it due to the grey area in cultural differences.
Either way, i expect an appeal with a lot of evidence presented, buying us time to get at least one striker.
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Danny wrote:Do you fuck.Dan wrote:
Ah yes, so Suarez used a word in his native language, perfectly acceptable within his culture. However, this word sounds similar to the word 'negro' the Spanish word for black, which Britons stole as a racial term to describe black people.
How silly of Suarez, he should have studied the history of our language and ensured that no mix-ups like this could have happened.
Like I said. Hernandez used it, so did that Thiago from Barcelona. I duly expect them to see similar bans.
The standard has been set. Negrito is a racist term. Anyone that uses it should be banned.
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C'mon Dan, two players squared up to each other and one used a term that could be seen as racially derogatry to the other. You dont have to be an expert in pyschology to know that Suarez would use something to annoy Evra in that situation. It just wouldnt make sense for him to use it in any other way. People are getting too caught up in the translation of the word itself, its about the context its used in, all racism really revolves around the context.
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LFC_Grunners wrote:Danny wrote:Oh yes, I know exactly who they are.
Google Fat Joe he's whiter than fuckin Casper and say's Nigga all the time and no one has a problem because he's South American
Fat Joe? Bit of an understatement.
The guy should change his name to Morbidly Obese Joe.
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Chris wrote:Lets face it if he was just an average squad player he would be gone.
Definitely. Case in point being Charles Itandje.
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Dan wrote:Danny wrote:Do you fuck.
The standard has been set. Negrito is a racist term. Anyone that uses it should be banned.
The spanish don't give a shit about racism. And Hernandez's comments were in-house or he'd have a ban too.
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LFC_Grunners wrote:Danny wrote:Yeah, black rappers...
Immortal Technique and Fat Joe say hi.
Those rappers associate themselves with the black community or their struggles. Plus, it's rap. I doubt they go around the streets and yell out nigga to black people.
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-8
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BladeGunner14 wrote:Chris wrote:Lets face it if he was just an average squad player he would be gone.
Definitely. Case in point being Charles Itandje.
He went for disrespecting Hillsborough.
Anyway, the rooney thing is no different. We're still taking him even though he may only play one game.
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Sean wrote:C'mon Dan, two players squared up to each other and one used a term that could be seen as racially derogatry to the other. You dont have to be an expert in pyschology to know that Suarez would use something to annoy Evra in that situation. It just wouldnt make sense for him to use it in any other way. People are getting too caught up in the translation of the word itself, its about the context its used in, all racism really revolves around the context.
Ok. So if you are using the word positively it's not racist, negatively it's racist.
Makes no sense to me. It's either racist, or it's not.
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The way I see it, as racist as it sounds:
Suarez is playing in an English city in an English league, and is paid by an English club (albeit, run by Americans). Therefore, he should be expected to comply with English customs. If the FA lets him off now, what message does that send to Suarez? He can continue to use terms that are found racist in England, and get off scot-free.
However, this case loses credibility if John Terry is let off.
Suarez is playing in an English city in an English league, and is paid by an English club (albeit, run by Americans). Therefore, he should be expected to comply with English customs. If the FA lets him off now, what message does that send to Suarez? He can continue to use terms that are found racist in England, and get off scot-free.
However, this case loses credibility if John Terry is let off.
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"LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations."
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It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.Scott wrote:http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-8
Still Evra's fault though.
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He's been charged with abusing an opponent verbally, with reference to the opponent's race. Which is exactly what he has done, in my opinion. The ban needs shortening, though.Dan wrote:Sean wrote:C'mon Dan, two players squared up to each other and one used a term that could be seen as racially derogatry to the other. You dont have to be an expert in pyschology to know that Suarez would use something to annoy Evra in that situation. It just wouldnt make sense for him to use it in any other way. People are getting too caught up in the translation of the word itself, its about the context its used in, all racism really revolves around the context.
Ok. So if you are using the word positively it's not racist, negatively it's racist.
Makes no sense to me. It's either racist, or it's not.
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Liverpool FC Statement:
Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.
We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.
We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.
The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.
LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.
Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.
He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.
It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.
It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.
We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-8
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After reading that. I am fully behind Suarez.
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Scott wrote:http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-8
Fuck me. We've taken this as a personal insult. This isn't going to be the end of it.
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ricky//habana wrote:BladeGunner14 wrote:
Definitely. Case in point being Charles Itandje.
He went for disrespecting Hillsborough.
Anyway, the rooney thing is no different. We're still taking him even though he may only play one game.
He hardly disrespected the events at Hillsborough. What Suarez has done is much worse.
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"LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations."
That is absolutely fucking disgusting.
That is absolutely fucking disgusting.
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Dan wrote:Sean wrote:C'mon Dan, two players squared up to each other and one used a term that could be seen as racially derogatry to the other. You dont have to be an expert in pyschology to know that Suarez would use something to annoy Evra in that situation. It just wouldnt make sense for him to use it in any other way. People are getting too caught up in the translation of the word itself, its about the context its used in, all racism really revolves around the context.
Ok. So if you are using the word positively it's not racist, negatively it's racist.
Makes no sense to me. It's either racist, or it's not.
Exactly, its the same with all words, its about context. You can call your mate a wanker or cunt or something, and based on the context they take it as light hearted and a joke, however if it was used in anger or in a negative way, they're obviously going to react differently.
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That's what I thought, was about to post it. This won't help any potential appeal at all.ResurrectionRooney wrote:"LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations."
That is absolutely fucking disgusting.
