Did Chelsea buy their success?

Luke did play that well. Everyone hypes up Arsenals academy the pass few years but really what have they won How many of them actually made it at Arsenal.

How can you tell? That's interesting

Scott wrote:How can you tell? That's interesting

Just the way you post about the team. We might disagree sometimes, but it shows passion that.

Ah they hugged and made up.

Nice.

kyro7 wrote:Ah they hugged and made up.

Nice.

Cute.

Anways get back to the original topic (ie not Arsenal, Pedo's etc) or I'll lock it

Dan wrote:

Scott wrote:How can you tell? That's interesting

Just the way you post about the team. We might disagree sometimes, but it shows passion that.

Loool I see. Hmm.

blackskar wrote:Anways get back to the original topic (ie not Arsenal, Pedo's etc) or I'll lock it

Yes sir.

Chelsea bought their success, but so did everyone.

kyro7 wrote:Ah they hugged and made up.

Nice.

We're all friends in the Liverpool thread..



Except for that NGreat kid. Nobody liked him, good job he left.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Marvin wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

Except it's been lauded by the Guardian (whose sports section is regarded as one of the best) as one of the top 10 in Europe.

One of the top ten of what? Producing shit players?

Only youth academies I rate are West Hams, Arsenals, Ajax's, some French ones, Milan's, Madrid's, Barca's and Bilbao's. Everyone other academy can't even compete with these.

Did you purposely leave out Sporting or just forgot?

Forgot about Sporting.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

Except
it's been lauded by the Guardian (whose sports section is regarded as
one of the best) as one of the top 10 in Europe.

One of the top
ten of what? Producing shit players?

Only youth academies I rate
are West Hams, Arsenals, Ajax's, some French ones, Milan's, Madrid's,
Barca's and Bilbao's. Everyone other academy can't even compete with
these.

What an ignorant cunt you are.

Arsenal rarely ever brings through a player from a young age (8-15). It's a scouting network - much like Chelsea.

We've got plenty, especially at the moment in our youth team.

As do we.

Not remember getting completely outplayed in the youth FA cup by Chelsea? We beat you 2-1, could have been about 7-1.

Oh wait, you don't even watch the youth, you just go with the hype.

With what players

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Marvin wrote:

polska. wrote:One of the top ten of what? Producing shit players?

Only youth academies I rate are West Hams, Arsenals, Ajax's, some French ones, Milan's, Madrid's, Barca's and Bilbao's. Everyone other academy can't even compete with these.

Did you purposely leave out Sporting or just forgot?

Forgot about Sporting.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:One of the top
ten of what? Producing shit players?

Only youth academies I rate
are West Hams, Arsenals, Ajax's, some French ones, Milan's, Madrid's,
Barca's and Bilbao's. Everyone other academy can't even compete with
these.

What an ignorant cunt you are.

Arsenal rarely ever brings through a player from a young age (8-15). It's a scouting network - much like Chelsea.

We've got plenty, especially at the moment in our youth team.

As do we.

Not remember getting completely outplayed in the youth FA cup by Chelsea? We beat you 2-1, could have been about 7-1.

Oh wait, you don't even watch the youth, you just go with the hype.

With what players

Aneke, Afobe (carrying an injury iirc), Miquel etc. all the usual suspects.

I think.

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Marvin wrote:

polska. wrote:One of the top ten of what? Producing shit players?

Only youth academies I rate are West Hams, Arsenals, Ajax's, some French ones, Milan's, Madrid's, Barca's and Bilbao's. Everyone other academy can't even compete with these.

Did you purposely leave out Sporting or just forgot?

Forgot about Sporting.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:One of the top
ten of what? Producing shit players?

Only youth academies I rate
are West Hams, Arsenals, Ajax's, some French ones, Milan's, Madrid's,
Barca's and Bilbao's. Everyone other academy can't even compete with
these.

What an ignorant cunt you are.

Arsenal rarely ever brings through a player from a young age (8-15). It's a scouting network - much like Chelsea.

We've got plenty, especially at the moment in our youth team.

As do we.

Not remember getting completely outplayed in the youth FA cup by Chelsea? We beat you 2-1, could have been about 7-1.

Oh wait, you don't even watch the youth, you just go with the hype.

With what players

Arsenal or Chelsea? Arsenal had Anuke, Miquel, and the other striker, his name escapes me.

We had, Bobby Divine, Milan Lalkovic, McEachran, can't recall anymore.

luke. wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Marvin wrote:Did you purposely leave out Sporting or just forgot?

Forgot about Sporting.

luke. wrote:

What an ignorant cunt you are.

Arsenal rarely ever brings through a player from a young age (8-15). It's a scouting network - much like Chelsea.

We've got plenty, especially at the moment in our youth team.

As do we.

Not remember getting completely outplayed in the youth FA cup by Chelsea? We beat you 2-1, could have been about 7-1.

Oh wait, you don't even watch the youth, you just go with the hype.

With what players

Arsenal or Chelsea? Arsenal had Anuke, Miquel, and the other striker, his name escapes me.

We had, Bobby Divine, Milan Lalkovic, McEachran, can't recall anymore.

Good for you, maybe when your players reach the reserves you'll play against Sanchez, Frimpong, Miyachi, Wellington, jet, Bartley and Henderson

Yes, just like every other team does.

No team doesn't buy their success (if they even get any), fact.

We might have done it to a bigger degree but yea everyone does it

The thing is though, espically the first title winning season, we won the league because our existing players got better (Lampard,Terry etc) rather than who we bought

We won the league because of Mourinho's magic.

Lux wrote:Yes, just like every other team does.

No team doesn't buy their success (if they even get any), fact.

Why are you going to be literal

Fonseca wrote:Why are you going to be literal

I'm not literally saying "if you spend £1 on anything you're buying your success".....but literally every team these days who is anywhere near winning the title is spending big money.

Just because Chelsea and City have done it more rapidly than others, that doesn't mean they're any more guilty of any wrongdoing.

Chelsea and City before they went on spending sprees had teams that just weren't going to challenge for the title (especially City)....so obviously they have to spend loads. If Man Utd spend £50m+ over the last 3 seasons and keep all their players and then spend £10m the season they win the league....they're still buying their success, they just did it over a longer period.

There's no teams out there on a Blackpool kind of level who are winning the title, and quite obviously as well because top players cost a lot of money. Even if you do it with youth, most of the top teams youth are plucked at high prices from smaller/foreign clubs.

dena wrote:Every teams buys players and pays managers, these two parties give you success = every team buys success?

i think the difference is chelsea get money from outside. its not generated by the club like man utd or any other side (apart from city)

just read the above post too, so this is aimed at that aswell

Doesn't matter.

The biggest few clubs make the most money, so they can spend the most money unless people plunge money into the club.......

Man Utd and Madrid fans wouldn't understand, but maybe it's a good thing if they don't win every season?

I think the owners who buy clubs because they love football rather than those who want to make money are the best.

When these new Uefa rules are applied I would love to see how City and Chelsea deal with staying in the top 4.

They will probably go on a little spending spree every time when they dont mke the Champions league spot.

Scott - by far the most bitter person on these boards.... I mean, like, he's miles ahead of everyone else

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Marvin wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

Except it's been lauded by the Guardian (whose sports section is regarded as one of the best) as one of the top 10 in Europe.

One of the top ten of what? Producing shit players?

Only youth academies I rate are West Hams, Arsenals, Ajax's, some French ones, Milan's, Madrid's, Barca's and Bilbao's. Everyone other academy can't even compete with these.

Did you purposely leave out Sporting or just forgot?

Forgot about Sporting.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

Except
it's been lauded by the Guardian (whose sports section is regarded as
one of the best) as one of the top 10 in Europe.

One of the top
ten of what? Producing shit players?

Only youth academies I rate
are West Hams, Arsenals, Ajax's, some French ones, Milan's, Madrid's,
Barca's and Bilbao's. Everyone other academy can't even compete with
these.

What an ignorant cunt you are.

Arsenal rarely ever brings through a player from a young age (8-15). It's a scouting network - much like Chelsea.

We've got plenty, especially at the moment in our youth team.

As do we.

Not remember getting completely outplayed in the youth FA cup by Chelsea? We beat you 2-1, could have been about 7-1.

Oh wait, you don't even watch the youth, you just go with the hype.

Most of our reserves have graduated to better things maybe how many of your youth have gone on to big things?

blackskar wrote:

Marvin wrote:I like how it's the same argument going on in two different threads.

All Lukes fault.

Could just ban him to stop it all

It wouldnt be the same without luke this would destroy the diversity

luke. wrote:

blackskar wrote:Oh well then Luke I guess


Chelsea > Arsenal because of one game

Apparently so, I mean, Arsenal fans got all high and mighty after the 3-1 at Emirates this year

3 - 1. Dominated (an important game)

Lux wrote:

Fonseca wrote:Why are you going to be literal

I'm not literally saying "if you spend £1 on anything you're buying your success".....but literally every team these days who is anywhere near winning the title is spending big money.

Just because Chelsea and City have done it more rapidly than others, that doesn't mean they're any more guilty of any wrongdoing.

Chelsea and City before they went on spending sprees had teams that just weren't going to challenge for the title (especially City)....so obviously they have to spend loads. If Man Utd spend £50m+ over the last 3 seasons and keep all their players and then spend £10m the season they win the league....they're still buying their success, they just did it over a longer period.

There's no teams out there on a Blackpool kind of level who are winning the title, and quite obviously as well because top players cost a lot of money. Even if you do it with youth, most of the top teams youth are plucked at high prices from smaller/foreign clubs.

You are being literal, comparing a relegation team with a title winning team is a joke. You clearly don't understand that money generated by the club can be spent however clubs choose. You're basically saying if Blackpool buy Ronaldo and win the title, that is basically the same as Man Utd spending over 10 million every year for 5 years. Abramovic uses a shitload of his own money hoping it will pay off in the future, Arsenal have wealth shared within the club which is spent. Does that mean Arsenal are buying their 4th spot every season?

No... just no

This thread is a classic.

Fonseca wrote:You are being literal, comparing a relegation team with a title winning team is a joke. You clearly don't understand that money generated by the club can be spent however clubs choose. You're basically saying if Blackpool buy Ronaldo and win the title, that is basically the same as Man Utd spending over 10 million every year for 5 years. Abramovic uses a shitload of his own money hoping it will pay off in the future, Arsenal have wealth shared within the club which is spent. Does that mean Arsenal are buying their 4th spot every season?

No... just no

Money generated by clubs owners can be spent however clubs choose.

The point is that money is money, however it is earned, spent, or whoever uses it.

Being a bigger team doesn't entitle you to some superiority complex that means you can spend more than others or they're not playing fair.

Lux wrote:

Fonseca wrote:You are being literal, comparing a relegation team with a title winning team is a joke. You clearly don't understand that money generated by the club can be spent however clubs choose. You're basically saying if Blackpool buy Ronaldo and win the title, that is basically the same as Man Utd spending over 10 million every year for 5 years. Abramovic uses a shitload of his own money hoping it will pay off in the future, Arsenal have wealth shared within the club which is spent. Does that mean Arsenal are buying their 4th spot every season?

No... just no

Money generated by clubs owners can be spent however clubs choose.

The point is that money is money, however it is earned, spent, or whoever uses it.

Being a bigger team doesn't entitle you to some superiority complex that means you can spend more than others or they're not playing fair.

Buying way in.. never heard of that commonly used phrase?
and wtf is a superiority complex, you have to think of better words to pull out of your ass

Fonseca wrote:Buying way in.. never heard of that commonly used phrase?

Every team has bought their way in, somehow or other. You don't don't appear at the top of the league with a worldwide fanbase, world class players, a massive stadium and top other top class facilities. I'm not saying Chelsea didn't buy their way in, I just think that people moaning that it's unfair and that these teams haven't earned their success are ignorant.

It's as if there's some kind of world order you don't want changed.

Fonseca wrote:and wtf is a superiority complex, you have to think of better words to pull out of your ass

superiority complex
noun
An exaggerated feeling of being superior to others.
A psychological defense mechanism in which feelings of superiority counter or conceal feelings of inferiority.

Learn English please? This is coming from someone telling me to learn phrases

I get accused for having a minority complex when discussing Poland.

polska. wrote:I get accused for having a minority complex when discussing Poland.

Sure you do

More like when talking about England