Prince William has some influence

Mr Leiva wrote:No poppies were worn when England played Brazil on 14 November 2009, or the game in 2001.

Mr Leiva wrote:The recent wars were 'illegal'.

Blackpool Rule wrote:

The Maestro wrote:

The most sensible poster on the forum in my opinion,

For the people who are trying to suggest the poppy is not a political symbol .. without the political context, British soldiers simply become murderers in uniform.

It represents a charity that supports British serviceman and women from every conflict after the First World War, so that includes their actions in Ireland, Kenya and the Middle East. Also the murder of almost two hundred thousand civilians.

Are people incapable of remembering lost serviceman without having poppies plastered all over them?

It's hard to believe a little red flower that was once selected by a Canadian soldier to honour his friend who died beside him in Flanders that the innocence and true nature of his tribute would turn into this

I believe that the poppy should have been a unique tribute to the First World War where its origin lies thus truly understanding the horrific scale of what these men endured on the battlefields of France and not sold out to become a product of controversy by its use to commemorate future conflicts.

im not denying this but Kenya and Ireland have not spoken out about this

Laurencio wrote:If Argentina, Ireland, Germany, heck anyone, had come out and told FIFA that they find this "symbolic remembrance" offensive then it would be another case entirely.

moscowmadeit3 wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:No poppies were worn when England played Brazil on 14 November 2009, or the game in 2001.

My point exactly. I don't see why all of a sudden they want poppies on international shirts.

mauro=beast wrote:

moscowmadeit3 wrote:

My point exactly. I don't see why all of a sudden they want poppies on international shirts.

do not take this the wrong way

but im curious

before you said you are colorbind and in your signature, it says that your skys are grey. is this a reference to that? if so it is very innovative, quirky and intelligent quote, i like it.

if not, then im sorry please do not be aggression towards me

grenade187 wrote:Mauro is handing out some severe beastings today

But anyway if it was a foreign country people would probably agree with Fifa. The English media (and people) expect special treatment for some reason
Or maybe they're trying to cover-up the inevitable raping England will suffer against Spain

moscowmadeit3 wrote:

mauro=beast wrote:

do not take this the wrong way

but im curious

before you said you are colorbind and in your signature, it says that your skys are grey. is this a reference to that? if so it is very innovative, quirky and intelligent quote, i like it.

if not, then im sorry please do not be aggression towards me

I'm not fully color blind, it's just shades of colours like Dark Blue/Purple and Green/Dark Yellow. And the signature was a Solskjaer Chant

Radford11 wrote:

grenade187 wrote:Mauro is handing out some severe beastings today

But anyway if it was a foreign country people would probably agree with Fifa. The English media (and people) expect special treatment for some reason
Or maybe they're trying to cover-up the inevitable raping England will suffer against Spain

What a shit post.

Mauro wasn't trying to beats moscow, English people don't expect special treatment and we are not trying to cover up a raping vs Spain.

Radford11 wrote:Fuck off

The Maestro wrote:

Blackpool Rule wrote:

im not denying this but Kenya and Ireland have not spoken out about this

Laurencio wrote:If Argentina, Ireland, Germany, heck anyone, had come out and told FIFA that they find this "symbolic remembrance" offensive then it would be another case entirely.

That's not how it works. You just don't get it. Nobody has to speak out about it, that's why the rules are already in place.

Mr Leiva wrote:But it can be interpreted as political symbol, stance.

Mr Leiva wrote:What happens if Argentina want to remember there war dead, from the falkland war.

Or the Irish want to remember the dead from the failed 1916 Easter Uprisings.

At the end of the day, it is all down to point of view.

ahlycotc wrote:

Blackpool Rule wrote:you draw the line when your remembering a terrorist who took delight in killing innocent people

How would you word the rule? And who gets to define a terrorist? One person can be a terrorist in one's eye while a hero/martyr in another's.

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

How would you word the rule? And who gets to define a terrorist? One person can be a terrorist in one's eye while a hero/martyr in another's.

This.

In Ahlys eyes Osama was a hero.

Laurencio wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:What happens if Argentina want to remember there war dead, from the falkland war.

Or the Irish want to remember the dead from the failed 1916 Easter Uprisings.

At the end of the day, it is all down to point of view.

You are talking about specific events though. The poppy started out as a symbol of those who lost their lives in WW1, then (as I was recently informed) became a symbol of all men and women killed in service of Britain. It's as "politically charged" as the tomb of the unknown solider.

The Maestro wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

You are talking about specific events though. The poppy started out as a symbol of those who lost their lives in WW1, then (as I was recently informed) became a symbol of all men and women killed in service of Britain. It's as "politically charged" as the tomb of the unknown solider.

I'll say it again, without the political context they simply become murderers in uniform.

Laurencio wrote:

The Maestro wrote:

I'll say it again, without the political context they simply become murderers in uniform.

That does not translate to the poppy being a symbol of every war Britain has been part of.

Mr Leiva wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

That does not translate to the poppy being a symbol of every war Britain has been part of.

It is, for every war Britain have been in.

ahlycotc wrote:I agree with FIFA's original ruling. FIFA isn't being insensitive to the situation by banning it, they are just trying to avoid conflicts. What if say Afghanistan were to wear "RIP Osama Bin Laden" on their jersey?

Blackpool Rule wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:This.

In Ahlys eyes Osama was a hero.

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