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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:45 am

    luke. wrote:You can't prove he's a racist based on one statement, if he did say 'black cunt', especially in the heat of the moment, I'm sure it was Dean who made comments against Poland or something similar, especially if the claims that Anton first called Terry a cunt for sleeping with Bridge's ex, not saying it's right that he did it, but it's provocative on Ferdinand's behalf, and of course it was going to spark a reaction.

    One action doesn't prove racism, especially not lip-reading someone's words, especially when the word in question is blocked out by a person's head. You can't firmly say John Terry is a racist based on this, it's simply not enough to make that claim, because if he is found guilty, his career, and pretty much anything else he wants to do later in life, all the opportunity for that, is gone, and that's a big call to be making based on some lip-reading, without any eye-witness accounts, or any real statement from Ferdinand claiming Terry racially abused him.

    As I said, even if he called Anton a black cunt, that doesn't make him a racist, that's just losing your head in the heat of the moment and blurting out things you don't really stand for, if he was racist, I doubt he'd have been not only working with, but captaining players like Drogba, Essien, Cole, Malouda, Mikel etc. for all these years and not had a problem. All in all, I don't think the FA will find him guilty, there is too much at stake for such a weak claim.

    What bollocks

    You tend to say what you genuinely feel when you're drunk, tired, in the heat of the moment etc. Rarely do you ever say something that is not on your mind
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:47 am

    Dean wrote:Nah, don't think he said, 'fucking bellend', if you watch it closely, he definitely says 'cunt' but to me he doesn't day black, I think it's blind, because if you look, John Terry actually points to his eyes. But anyway, if he did say black cunt or not, who's to criticise him? I'm certainly not, I've made racist comments before and probably will again, but the funny thing is, I wouldn't class myself as racist, just sometimes, I say racist stuff. Laughing

    Well said.
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:49 am

    Am I talking about being drunk or tired? No.

    Not on his mind? He clearly wanted to make a point to Anton, and get under his skin, if he did say black, what better way to do it then refer to skin colour? Not a smart thing to do, but it doesn't make him a racist, unless he is speaking out against black people in general, one comment about one person, which can't even be clearly identified whether he actually said the word black or not, is not racism.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:52 am

    luke. wrote:Am I talking about being drunk or tired? No.

    Not on his mind? He clearly wanted to make a point to Anton, and get under his skin, if he did say black, what better way to do it then refer to skin colour? Not a smart thing to do, but it doesn't make him a racist, unless he is speaking out against black people in general, one comment about one person, which can't even be clearly identified whether he actually said the word black or not, is not racism.

    So now he's allegedly using his skin colour as a form of "getting under his skin"

    That's as racist as they come "Anton Ferdinand...we know what you are" - Page 2 58503
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:54 am

    It's a racist remark, but it wouldn't prove he was a racist.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:57 am

    What does he have to do to prove he's a racist then?

    Score a goal, do 10 backflips then lift up his shirt with the wording "I am an official racist"?

    Does he need to carry round a badge that says "Hi, I'm a racist"?
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:59 am

    Dean wrote:Nah, don't think he said, 'fucking bellend', if you watch it closely, he definitely says 'cunt' but to me he doesn't day black, I think it's blind, because if you look, John Terry actually points to his eyes. But anyway, if he did say black cunt or not, who's to criticise him? I'm certainly not, I've made racist comments before and probably will again, but the funny thing is, I wouldn't class myself as racist, just sometimes, I say racist stuff. Laughing

    No, if you look closely, he does not say cunt. his tongue moves in a way that you don't see with the word cunt. I've already been through this with my deaf brother and he says it's bellend.
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:59 am

    luke. wrote:It's a racist remark, but it wouldn't prove he was a racist.

    I understand you're gonna defend him because you support Chelsea, but come on.. facepalm
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:00 am

    Scott wrote:
    Dean wrote:Nah, don't think he said, 'fucking bellend', if you watch it closely, he definitely says 'cunt' but to me he doesn't day black, I think it's blind, because if you look, John Terry actually points to his eyes. But anyway, if he did say black cunt or not, who's to criticise him? I'm certainly not, I've made racist comments before and probably will again, but the funny thing is, I wouldn't class myself as racist, just sometimes, I say racist stuff. Laughing

    No, if you look closely, he does not say cunt. his tongue moves in a way that you don't see with the word cunt. I've already been through this with my deaf brother and he says it's bellend.

    London accent it would look like "cant".. it is not bellend.
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:01 am

    As I've said, heat of the moment, you'll say anything to get under someone's skin at a certain time, it doesn't make you a racist, or any other label, you've used a racist remark, but it doesn't mean you have racist views, if Terry had racist views, I'm not sure Chelsea is the ideal club for him, especially as captain.

    Also, I highly doubt he did say 'black cunt' in the first place, given the lack of action from Anton himself, the referee, and everybody else on the pitch, and the fact that no-one has come out and testified against Terry.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:01 am

    Fonseca wrote:What does he have to do to prove he's a racist then?

    Score a goal, do 10 backflips then lift up his shirt with the wording "I am an official racist"?

    Does he need to carry round a badge that says "Hi, I'm a racist"?

    It seems you don't know the difference between making a racist remark to get under someone's skin, and actually being a racist.

    If Terry deemed himself and fellow white people to be superior to black people, that would make him racist.

    Making a racist remark in itself does not make you a racist person. It's just a racist comment.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:01 am

    I've made plenty of racist remarks but i wouldnt call myself a racist.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:03 am

    VivaRonaldo wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    No, if you look closely, he does not say cunt. his tongue moves in a way that you don't see with the word cunt. I've already been through this with my deaf brother and he says it's bellend.

    London accent it would look like "cant".. it is not bellend.

    Lol I fucking live in the south and am in London on nearly a daily basis. I think I'd know how we say cunt and it's definitely not 'cant' you stupid prick.

    Either way, it still wouldn't require him to move his tongue in a way that you only get with the letter L. I'd like to see the clip in real-time, not slo-mo. I bet then, it would look like bellend, dead on.
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:04 am

    VivaRonaldo wrote:
    luke. wrote:It's a racist remark, but it wouldn't prove he was a racist.

    I understand you're gonna defend him because you support Chelsea, but come on.. facepalm

    I'm not just defending him because I support Chelsea, I'm giving my view on quite a serious matter. Don't question my motives, If I was sure Terry racially abused Ferdinand, I wouldn't want him as the captain of such a culturally diverse team like Chelsea, nor should he captain any club if he made those views public.
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    Post by Dean Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:15 am

    Scott wrote:
    Dean wrote:Nah, don't think he said, 'fucking bellend', if you watch it closely, he definitely says 'cunt' but to me he doesn't day black, I think it's blind, because if you look, John Terry actually points to his eyes. But anyway, if he did say black cunt or not, who's to criticise him? I'm certainly not, I've made racist comments before and probably will again, but the funny thing is, I wouldn't class myself as racist, just sometimes, I say racist stuff. Laughing

    No, if you look closely, he does not say cunt. his tongue moves in a way that you don't see with the word cunt. I've already been through this with my deaf brother and he says it's bellend.

    He clearly says 'cunt' in the video but it comes out like 'cant' but before he says that, his mouth moves in a way which I think is 'blind', but obviousely, as his mouth pronounces the 'bl' first which you clearly see, people think he's said black, but if you watch his mouth at the end, it pronounces a 'd'. You've clearly got a case with him saying 'bellend' the word could be bellend, but I'm 1000% he says 'cunt'. so... 'bellend cunt' I just can't see him saying that myself. Laughing

    He does saying fucking, but that's earlier in the clip.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:17 am

    No, I meant the whole sentence is 'fucking bellend'

    There's no 'cunt'. It's really slo-mo, like, fuc king ... bel .. lend.
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:17 am

    From the video's Ive seen of it I could easily make out "blind cunt" or "black cunt". Cant see Bellend at all.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:18 am

    VivaRonaldo wrote:From the video's Ive seen of it I could easily make out "blind cunt" or "black cunt". Cant see Bellend at all.

    You see what you want to see. My brother relies on lip-reading to get through everyday life.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:19 am

    Yeah but my dad knows John Terry and he admitted he said black cunt, just not to the FA.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:20 am

    Are you subliminally saying I'm lying about having a deaf brother? I've proved it before.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:22 am

    Of course not Scott, I believe you. Smile
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    Post by Kuled Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:24 am

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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:32 am

    Luke a racist remark is being racist towards someone. Therefore he should be banned if that's the case. facepalm
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:33 am

    Assuming he even said it in the first place, which pretty much can't be proved based on just 'trial by youtube'.

    As I said, if it was racist abuse, there would have been uproar on the pitch at the time, not after the match.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:36 am

    You're just contradicting yourselves now "saying a racist remark doesn't make you racist"

    Look in red, it's self explanatory, you're all just using some excuse so you don't get categorised with the worlds scum
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:40 am

    No. It's a racist remark, as in, he has said something of a racist nature towards someone. It doesn't prove he has racist beliefs, especially when you can't even prove he said a racist remark, or when there is a distinct lack of evidence from other witnesses to make a case against Terry. It's all down to context, and in this context, it wouldn't prove Terry to be a racist.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:43 am

    If it is true then it was in a derogatory context about his skin colour making it RACIST

    What the fuck do you want Luke? please tell me what someone has to do to qualify as a racist since you're so blatantly smart
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    Post by luke. Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:48 am

    Giving my view makes me blatantly smart? If you think so. I don't think I'm smart at all, but I'm on a forum, I'm here to express my views, that doesn't mean I'm stuck up my own ass.

    As I've said many times now, the remark was racist, but people will say anything in the right moment to get under someone's skin, it doesn't mean they believe it.
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    Post by The Zlatan Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:51 am

    I understand what Luke is saying. I racially abuse some of my friend at least 23 times whenever I see them. I'm not a racist though, but in this case, if Terry and Ferdinand don't really share a friendly relationship, then it is obviously interpreted as a racist remark.
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    Post by Mason Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:57 am

    If the F.A banned every footballer when they said a racist remark, nearly every single football player would be banned.

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