http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/chelsea/94884/chelsea-condemn-travelling-fans-for-anton-ferdinand-you-know-what-you-are-chants.html
What do you think about this?
What do you think about this?
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"Anton Ferdinand...we know what you are"
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He knows hes a lying bastard
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They could mean we know what you are as in a lying cunt. 
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Aguerotelli wrote:He knows hes a lying bastard
My friend, how can you prove this?
Mal-
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Aguerotelli wrote:He knows hes a lying bastard
Mal wrote:They could mean we know what you are as in a lying cunt.
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Political Correctness gone mad if they get done for racism
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So that's two songs they have now then??
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HIBBIES_07 wrote:So that's two songs they have now then??
Honestly, if this gets fined that would be ridiculous, Chelsea fans could have meant it as in lying bastard as said above.
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I doubt they were aiming it at Anton being a lier, more like "we know you're a black cunt" 
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HIBBIES_07 wrote:So that's two songs they have now then??
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moscowmadeit3 wrote:I doubt they were aiming it at Anton being a lier, more like "we know you're a black cunt"
Well, he is black, and he is a cunt. so they was correct.
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I'm pretty sure they were actually but they will claim otherwise and nobody will be able to prove otherwise hence it would be ridiculous to fine it imo.moscowmadeit3 wrote:I doubt they were aiming it at Anton being a lier, more like "we know you're a black cunt"
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Or they thought he was a bad dancer
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that's what people are crying over because he called him a "black cunt"?
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Why would they sing we know you're black, a bit redundant?
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Let me see if I get this one right.
You all believe that he is a liar and made this up and Terry is innocent, because there's no proof, etc.
But you don't believe Suarez, you believe Evra who has a history of lying about these instances and showing generally disgusting behavior.
You all believe that he is a liar and made this up and Terry is innocent, because there's no proof, etc.
But you don't believe Suarez, you believe Evra who has a history of lying about these instances and showing generally disgusting behavior.
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Terry is guilty, saw the video on it.
People believe Evra because Suarez has done so many cuntish things in the past.
People believe Evra because Suarez has done so many cuntish things in the past.
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This is Evras first time of accusing someone of racial abuse..Mustangt125 wrote:Let me see if I get this one right.
You all believe that he is a liar and made this up and Terry is innocent, because there's no proof, etc.
But you don't believe Suarez, you believe Evra who has a history of lying about these instances and showing generally disgusting behavior.
I don't think Anton is a liar, far from it. Clearly looks like Terry said "Oi, Anton, you black cunt"
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Still sticking by what I think he said. To me he says 'Blind Cunt' not 'Black'. Definitely says cunt though.
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Or could it be 'bellend'?
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Whatever the fans meant, I wouldn't really care. I would find it funny as banter.
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He's a very naughty boy!
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moscowmadeit3 wrote:This is Evras first time of accusing someone of racial abuse..Mustangt125 wrote:Let me see if I get this one right.
You all believe that he is a liar and made this up and Terry is innocent, because there's no proof, etc.
But you don't believe Suarez, you believe Evra who has a history of lying about these instances and showing generally disgusting behavior.
I don't think Anton is a liar, far from it. Clearly looks like Terry said "Oi, Anton, you black cunt"
In all honesty this doesn't strike me as particulary racist. We're brought up to believe that colour doesn't matter, while that means identical respect, it also means that you should be able to insult black people just as much as you would white people. So adding "black" to the sentence makes it racist?
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You can't prove he's a racist based on one statement, if he did say 'black cunt', especially in the heat of the moment, I'm sure it was Dean who made comments against Poland or something similar, especially if the claims that Anton first called Terry a cunt for sleeping with Bridge's ex, not saying it's right that he did it, but it's provocative on Ferdinand's behalf, and of course it was going to spark a reaction.
One action doesn't prove racism, especially not lip-reading someone's words, especially when the word in question is blocked out by a person's head. You can't firmly say John Terry is a racist based on this, it's simply not enough to make that claim, because if he is found guilty, his career, and pretty much anything else he wants to do later in life, all the opportunity for that, is gone, and that's a big call to be making based on some lip-reading, without any eye-witness accounts, or any real statement from Ferdinand claiming Terry racially abused him.
As I said, even if he called Anton a black cunt, that doesn't make him a racist, that's just losing your head in the heat of the moment and blurting out things you don't really stand for, if he was racist, I doubt he'd have been not only working with, but captaining players like Drogba, Essien, Cole, Malouda, Mikel etc. for all these years and not had a problem. All in all, I don't think the FA will find him guilty, there is too much at stake for such a weak claim.
One action doesn't prove racism, especially not lip-reading someone's words, especially when the word in question is blocked out by a person's head. You can't firmly say John Terry is a racist based on this, it's simply not enough to make that claim, because if he is found guilty, his career, and pretty much anything else he wants to do later in life, all the opportunity for that, is gone, and that's a big call to be making based on some lip-reading, without any eye-witness accounts, or any real statement from Ferdinand claiming Terry racially abused him.
As I said, even if he called Anton a black cunt, that doesn't make him a racist, that's just losing your head in the heat of the moment and blurting out things you don't really stand for, if he was racist, I doubt he'd have been not only working with, but captaining players like Drogba, Essien, Cole, Malouda, Mikel etc. for all these years and not had a problem. All in all, I don't think the FA will find him guilty, there is too much at stake for such a weak claim.
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luke. wrote:You can't prove he's a racist based on one statement, if he did say 'black cunt', especially in the heat of the moment, I'm sure it was Dean who made comments against Poland or something similar, especially if the claims that Anton first called Terry a cunt for sleeping with Bridge's ex, not saying it's right that he did it, but it's provocative on Ferdinand's behalf, and of course it was going to spark a reaction.
One action doesn't prove racism, especially not lip-reading someone's words, especially when the word in question is blocked out by a person's head. You can't firmly say John Terry is a racist based on this, it's simply not enough to make that claim, because if he is found guilty, his career, and pretty much anything else he wants to do later in life, all the opportunity for that, is gone, and that's a big call to be making based on some lip-reading, without any eye-witness accounts, or any real statement from Ferdinand claiming Terry racially abused him.
As I said, even if he called Anton a black cunt, that doesn't make him a racist, that's just losing your head in the heat of the moment and blurting out things you don't really stand for, if he was racist, I doubt he'd have been not only working with, but captaining players like Drogba, Essien, Cole, Malouda, Mikel etc. for all these years and not had a problem. All in all, I don't think the FA will find him guilty, there is too much at stake for such a weak claim.
The word in question wasn't blocked out by any head.
Also, this was the most defensive post I've ever seen, ever. Calm down. People know he's not racist, this isn't about being an actual racist, it's about making a racist remark.
Before you get defensive again, I believe Terry said fucking bellend, not black cunt.
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Re: "Anton Ferdinand...we know what you are"
by Uncle John from Jamaica Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:52 am
I reckon he said black cunt, but nobody knows the context or anything else from that short clip.
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That's the point Scott, you can't call him a racist based on this, if he did say black. I'm perfectly calm, but with the offensive from pretty much everyone towards Terry, a little defence is needed.
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Nah, don't think he said, 'fucking bellend', if you watch it closely, he definitely says 'cunt' but to me he doesn't day black, I think it's blind, because if you look, John Terry actually points to his eyes. But anyway, if he did say black cunt or not, who's to criticise him? I'm certainly not, I've made racist comments before and probably will again, but the funny thing is, I wouldn't class myself as racist, just sometimes, I say racist stuff.
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Dean wrote:Nah, don't think he said, 'fucking bellend', if you watch it closely, he definitely says 'cunt' but to me he doesn't day black, I think it's blind, because if you look, John Terry actually points to his eyes. But anyway, if he did say black cunt or not, who's to criticise him? I'm certainly not, I've made racist comments before and probably will again, but the funny thing is, I wouldn't class myself as racist, just sometimes, I say racist stuff.
That's why I mentioned you in my post.
