Evra facing ban over allegedly FALSE racism accusastions

Scouser_Dave wrote:IF Evra has lied and there is a strong possibility that he has, then why shouldn't he be banned? If there is no room for racism in Football then should also be no room for slander, it works both ways.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:IF Evra has lied and there is a strong possibility that he has, then why shouldn't he be banned? If there is no room for racism in Football then should also be no room for slander, it works both ways.

It is impossible to prove that he has lied. Punishing him for being unable to prove it would discourage other victims of racist abuse from reporting it, something I'm sure Kenneth Dalglish would like to see.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

It is impossible to prove that he has lied. Punishing him for being unable to prove it would discourage other victims of racist abuse from reporting it, something I'm sure Kenneth Dalglish would like to see.

Well Evra has a track record of lying and has tried to use his skin colour as a weapon before with the FA. There is no real evidence to prove anyone right or wrong, so it is unlikely that anyone will be banned. The whole incident seems to be a spiteful attempt by Patrice Evra to drag Luis Suarez' name through the mud.

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

Well Evra has a track record of lying and has tried to use his skin colour as a weapon before with the FA. There is no real evidence to prove anyone right or wrong, so it is unlikely that anyone will be banned. The whole incident seems to be a spiteful attempt by Patrice Evra to drag Luis Suarez' name through the mud.

Do you have proof of this?

Scouser_Dave wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Do you have proof of this?

The last time Evra made racism claims the FA called them "exaggerated and unreliable".

kyro7 wrote:Evra is out of order the n!gg3r.

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

The last time Evra made racism claims the FA called them "exaggerated and unreliable".

Proving how dumb the FA are. How can racism be exaggerated? Its either racist, or its not.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Proving how dumb the FA are. How can racism be exaggerated? Its either racist, or its not.

The wording was wrong by the FA, but the fact still remains that Evra lied with the evidence the FA found.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Do you have proof of this?

The last time Evra made racism claims the FA called them "exaggerated and unreliable".

Like most people, I was quite shocked to hear about Patrice Evra accusing Luis Suarez of racial abuse towards him during Liverpool's draw with Manchester United at the weekend.
I find it hard to believe in this age of players from all over the world playing in the Premier League that one professional would racially abuse another.

Few people, if anyone, outside of those two know what really went on, and judging by the lack of video evidence or any verification from the referee perhaps we most likely never will. No doubt there will be a cycle of claim and counter-claim from both camps before this matter concludes one way or another.

Regardless of whether anything did happen, however, I am a bit disappointed with the way Evra handled the situation.

Making his comments to a foreign-based media outlet was an ill-advised move. The perception back in England of a Premier League player complaining to journalists from their homeland is rarely positive. Evra is a senior professional who captained United on Saturday, and as such could have addressed the issue head-on by speaking to the assembled media at Anfield right after the game.

Or even better, he could have not have said anything to the press at all. He could have spoken to the referee, officials at his own club or at Liverpool or representatives of the FA, the Premier League or the PFA, all without causing as much of a public fuss. I don't think many people are fooled by him making such explosive claims to the French equivalent of Sky and then saying that he "won't make a huge deal out of it".

Even back when I was playing, it was quite rare for players to say such things on the pitch. There will probably always be the odd idiot who shouts something from the crowd - even at Premier League level - but for a fellow professional to make a racist remark was an uncommon occurrence.

On one occasion when something like that happened to me, I did not let it bother me. Afterwards I approached one of the black players from the opposition, told him what one of his team-mates had said to me and left it at that.

Perhaps going through the official channels was not quite as easy as it is now, but I was happy to make my point in a quiet, dignified manner and move on. I don't even know how the matter panned out in that team's camp.

I did not let someone saying anything racist affect me, either in my professional or personal life. Did I think they were bigoted? No. Did I think they were ignorant? Yes. By the time I was playing, there were plenty of black players in the top division of the game, at every club, so for a professional footballer to be a genuine racist would have made them at best stupid and at worst a massive hypocrite for working with people they supposedly despised.

It would have been nice if Evra had done something similar in this instance. He could have approached Kenny Dalglish, informed him of what he believed went on and left it to the Liverpool manager to deal with internally.

Evra could even have still gone about initiating the FA investigation that we have now, but without breaking his media silence. Now his behaviour immediately after the incident will be scrutinised.

He will be asked why he claimed the referee knew what was going on when he did not and why he did not make a complaint through the proper route.

Jay wrote:Liverpool want Manchester United defender Patrice Evra banned if racism allegations against Luis Suarez prove false.

IF they are PROVED to be false, then he should face a ban, that's very easy to understand.

grenade187 wrote:Absolutely ridiculous that Manchester United would condone this sort of behavior. They should be appealing to punish Liverpool to the full extent of the law and backing up their player, who is probably under alot of mental pressure after being accused of lying by the scouse twats a day after he was viciously abused with racist remarks by the same scumbags.

kyro7 wrote:People who are racially abused should keep quiet now, just incase there's no evidence and they get banned.

Jay wrote:Liverpool want Manchester United defender Patrice Evra banned if racism allegations against Luis Suarez prove false.

IF they are PROVED to be false, then he should face a ban, that's very easy to understand.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:Nobody is saying Evra is false RR, did read the article properly?

Liverpool are saying they want him banned IF his racism allegations are proven to be wrong.

You can never prove that allegations like that are false, people want him banned if he can't prove his allegations, which is an extremely vindictive attitude to take and promotes racism.

Liverpool's official website staff have been fabricating lies about Evra in order to try and discredit him, and that's absolutely fucking disgraceful.

Kristian Walsh, claimed on Twitter that “Patrice Evra has accused racism of three players before today. All three have been cleared."

It is shameful the way Liverpool FC have behaved in this matter. You would think that that a club who pretends to be interested in Justice and the Truth wouldn't promote lies like this, unfortunately those ideals are just empty slogans for Liverpool FC and the majority of it's followers.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

It is impossible to prove that he has lied. Punishing him for being unable to prove it would discourage other victims of racist abuse from reporting it, something I'm sure Kenneth Dalglish would like to see.

Well Evra has a track record of lying and has tried to use his skin colour as a weapon before with the FA. There is no real evidence to prove anyone right or wrong, so it is unlikely that anyone will be banned. The whole incident seems to be a spiteful attempt by Patrice Evra to drag Luis Suarez' name through the mud.

Jay wrote:Liverpool want Manchester United defender Patrice Evra banned if racism allegations against Luis Suarez prove false.

IF they are PROVED to be false, then he should face a ban, that's very easy to understand.

ahlycotc wrote:A McCain supporter once accused a black woman (who she called an Obama supporter) of assault and reported it to the police. It turned out that she was lying and she was properly charged for the lies.

It's no different in this situation. Evra's claims must be taken seriously and an investigation should find out the truth. If Evra is found guilty of lying, he should be punished accordingly. You can't go around making up claims and putting a player in a poor public position and even getting him banned for something he didn't do.

It's sad that fans of both sides are defending their respective players so much. Some ManUtd fans are acting like Evra is 100% truthful without any evidence other than one man's word. Some Liverpool fans are acting like Suarez is 100% innocent just because he said he was.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:A McCain supporter once accused a black woman (who she called an Obama supporter) of assault and reported it to the police. It turned out that she was lying and she was properly charged for the lies.

It's no different in this situation. Evra's claims must be taken seriously and an investigation should find out the truth. If Evra is found guilty of lying, he should be punished accordingly. You can't go around making up claims and putting a player in a poor public position and even getting him banned for something he didn't do.

It's sad that fans of both sides are defending their respective players so much. Some ManUtd fans are acting like Evra is 100% truthful without any evidence other than one man's word. Some Liverpool fans are acting like Suarez is 100% innocent just because he said he was.

How can they find him guilty of lying? How is that even possible?