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    Post by Guest Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:57 am

    Eternal Witcher wrote:This week last year was apparently the takeover, doesn't feel that long ago.

    The year has flown by. Hope this next year goes just as quickly. Want my last year of uni over and done with.
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    Post by Mustangt125 Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:38 am

    Scott wrote:
    Eternal Witcher wrote:This week last year was apparently the takeover, doesn't feel that long ago.

    The year has flown by. Hope this next year goes just as quickly. Want my last year of uni over and done with.

    No you dont. You stay as long as you can.
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    Tuesday, October 11, 2011

    Gillett Maneuvering For Ownership Of NFL's Buffalo Bills?

    Less than a year after effectively abandoning his role as majority owner of the Richard Petty Motorsports NASCAR Sprint Cup Series team, George Gillett, Jr. appears to have his eye on the National Football League’s Buffalo Bills.



    The BuffaloRising.com website reports that the jet-setting financier was spotted tailgating at Buffalo’s Ralph Wilson Stadium Sunday, accompanied by family members of former Bills quarterback Jim Kelly, who has openly expressed an interested in acquiring his former team. Last week, Kelly’s nephew, Chad Kelly, tweeted a cryptic message saying 2012, “...might be a new year, new season and new... fill that in. You got it.”

    Combined with Sunday’s Gillett sighting at the Bills-Eagles game, the remark triggered a firestorm of speculation about a possible bid by Gillett and Kelly for ownership of the team. The following day, Chad Kelly attempted to put out the fire, tweeting "the Bills news has nothing to do with a owner..." before abruptly deleting his Twitter account.

    For those unfamiliar, here is a brief rundown of Gillett’s checkered history in business and professional sports.

    At age 27, Gillett acquired a 22% ownership stake in the NFL’s Miami Dolphins, using approximately $1 million dollars borrowed from wealthy acquaintances in his native Wisconsin. He sold his share of the team within a year, using the proceeds to purchase the Harlem Globetrotters for $3.7M.

    In the `80s, Gillett worked with junk bond guru Michael Milken to purchase six television stations for $1.1 billion. That purchase was highly leveraged – a tactic that would later become Gillett’s preferred mode of operation – and when the value of the stations subsequently plummeted, Gillett found himself unable to pay the note. Bond investors forced the company into bankruptcy, and soon after, Gillett filed for personal bankruptcy.

    He eventually found success in the meat packing and ski resort businesses before reappearing on the professional sports scene in 2001 by purchasing an 80% interest in the legendary Montreal Canadiens hockey franchise (and their showplace arena, the Molson Center) for a reported $275M.

    He and partner Tom Hicks also acquired the Liverpool English Premier League Soccer Club Football Club for $343M, amid grandiose promises of top-name player acquisitions, league championships and new stadium construction. The purchase was heavily leverage through the Royal Bank of Scotland, however, and by late 2010, Gillett and Hicks were no longer making scheduled payments. Gillett was forced to sell the Canadiens for a reported $525M, in an attempt to refinance the RBS loan and avoid a forced sale of the club. That bid ultimately failed, when the English Premier League forced a sale of the Liverpool club to John Henry, majority owner of the Boston Red Sox and a major partner in Roush Fenway Racing.



    Gillett fell victim to another over-leveraged sale in his role as majority owner of Richard Petty Motorsports. Former owner Ray Evernham claimed Gillett failed to pay him approximately $20M from the initial purchase of the team, and the team operated on a “cash only” basis with numerous parts and material suppliers that service the NASCAR industry. On a number of occasions late last season, RPM had its race cars and engines embargoed by supplier Roush Fenway Racing, pending payment. Gillett effectively walked away from his majority ownership of the team with a handful of races still remaining in the 2010 campaign, leaving minority partner Petty to assemble an 11th-hour financial takeover that kept the team from being shuttered.

    Apparently not dissuaded by his astounding run of failure, it appears Gillett may now be ready to take a shot at ownership of the Buffalo Bills. He and Hall Of Fame quarterback John Elway were rebuffed in a bid to purchase the NBA Denver Nuggets, NHL Colorado Avalanche and their shared home; the Pepsi Center not long ago. And now, he’s got a new, high-profile partner in Jim Kelly, who is considered a virtual deity by loyal Bills fans. There are unconfirmed reports that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell met with Gillett and Kelly last weekend.

    For the sake of the league and the franchise, let’s hope Goodell does his homework before allowing George Gillett to put his mark on the National Football League.

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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:06 am

    SpiritOfShankly wrote:
    Mr Leiva wrote:Anyway. If this happens.

    Football will be ruined.


    why? The club would get more money out of it. Doesn't affect you in anyway. Real Madrid and Barcelona both benefit from it.

    It effects everyone related to football.

    This news by the club scares as it does impress me. It shows us we have very smart people in charge but it also shows that we have owners who don't care for football but only for liverpool and making a profit. If we do break away then in the long run we will end up like scotland, Anyone who looks at the whole spanish league sees football slowly dieing. People say that soon all the football players will want to go to spain because it has the two best clubs and that is true, It does have the two best clubs but there is only two games during the whole season where they will be tested so sooner or later the best players will go to clubs that will play harder games and make them better players ( germany and us)

    I don't want our club to be even thinking about this.
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    Liverpool will have to wait until Marco Bueno's 18th birthday to try and secure the player's signature.

    The Mexican striker, dubbed 'the new Chicharito' by Clubcall, emerged as a target for the Reds during the U17 World Championships in his homeland, and after helping his country win the tournament he enjoyed a ten-day trial on Merseyside.

    However, the teenager returned home without signing a Liverpool deal, and played his first senior game for Pachuca over the weekend.

    Newspaper reports in central America claim Kenny Dalglish remains keen on bringing the teenager to Anfield, but Pachuca sports vice president Andres Fassi insists Liverpool must now wait until March 31st 2012, when the player celebrates his 18th birthday.

    "We received a letter last week from Liverpool, who want the player to go there when he turns 18," said Fassi.




    "Maybe Liverpool will then make an offer, but that would not be until he is 18 years old, when FIFA's laws allow."

    Bueno would join a promising crop of young players at Anfield should he move to Liverpool, with Raheem Sterling, Adam Morgan and Jack Robinson all climbing the ranks at the club.
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    Post by SpiritOfShankly Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:19 am

    NZG wrote:
    SpiritOfShankly wrote:


    why? The club would get more money out of it. Doesn't affect you in anyway. Real Madrid and Barcelona both benefit from it.

    It effects everyone related to football.

    This news by the club scares as it does impress me. It shows us we have very smart people in charge but it also shows that we have owners who don't care for football but only for liverpool and making a profit. If we do break away then in the long run we will end up like scotland, Anyone who looks at the whole spanish league sees football slowly dieing. People say that soon all the football players will want to go to spain because it has the two best clubs and that is true, It does have the two best clubs but there is only two games during the whole season where they will be tested so sooner or later the best players will go to clubs that will play harder games and make them better players ( germany and us)

    I don't want our club to be even thinking about this.

    This has no reflection on what our owners think about football, They are just looking into more ways to bring money in because we have to.

    14 clubs have to agree it won't happen. Soon all the best players will want to go to Spain? No not true and it won't happen. They will have there share of great players as will all the top leagues in Europe and the ones in Spain won't all soon be flocking to other countries.
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    Post by Guest Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:19 am

    Suso was called up to the Spanish Under 19's.
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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:53 am

    SpiritOfShankly wrote:
    NZG wrote:

    It effects everyone related to football.

    This news by the club scares as it does impress me. It shows us we have very smart people in charge but it also shows that we have owners who don't care for football but only for liverpool and making a profit. If we do break away then in the long run we will end up like scotland, Anyone who looks at the whole spanish league sees football slowly dieing. People say that soon all the football players will want to go to spain because it has the two best clubs and that is true, It does have the two best clubs but there is only two games during the whole season where they will be tested so sooner or later the best players will go to clubs that will play harder games and make them better players ( germany and us)

    I don't want our club to be even thinking about this.

    This has no reflection on what our owners think about football, They are just looking into more ways to bring money in because we have to.

    14 clubs have to agree it won't happen. Soon all the best players will want to go to Spain? No not true and it won't happen. They will have there share of great players as will all the top leagues in Europe and the ones in Spain won't all soon be flocking to other countries.

    they want to bring in as much money as possible regardless of how it effects the competition in the league.

    They the best players in the world now (ronaldo messi xavi)

    We have like 10 world class players

    Spain have more than 20

    Suarez (our best player) has stated before that he wants to play for barcelona.

    Neymar (possibly the brightest talent in world football) has stated that he wants to play for barca and real but they have the best players so he won't be able to get a game.

    If the other clubs in spain don't stand up for themselves then spain will be scotland and no good player likes scotland.
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    Post by El Jefe Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:14 am

    The winners of the league don't tend to give a shit about the rest of the league anyway.
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    Post by SpiritOfShankly Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:21 am

    NZG wrote:
    SpiritOfShankly wrote:

    This has no reflection on what our owners think about football, They are just looking into more ways to bring money in because we have to.

    14 clubs have to agree it won't happen. Soon all the best players will want to go to Spain? No not true and it won't happen. They will have there share of great players as will all the top leagues in Europe and the ones in Spain won't all soon be flocking to other countries.

    they want to bring in as much money as possible regardless of how it effects the competition in the league.

    They the best players in the world now (ronaldo messi xavi)

    We have like 10 world class players

    Spain have more than 20

    Suarez (our best player) has stated before that he wants to play for barcelona.

    Neymar (possibly the brightest talent in world football) has stated that he wants to play for barca and real but they have the best players so he won't be able to get a game.

    If the other clubs in spain don't stand up for themselves then spain will be scotland and no good player likes scotland.


    The premier league has 10 world class players? grin
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:23 am

    Alan wrote:
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    Theres this thing called scanners now a days, you can even use your smart phones as a scanner with the right app...

    Thanks Laurencio i will need to look into this and i could get my pictures on.Liverpool FC Official Thread 284837 Got photos when i met the Liverpool team in 1989 and others from a few years earlier.

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    Post by Jord Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:28 am

    Fonseca wrote:
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    Thanks Laurencio i will need to look into this and i could get my pictures on.Liverpool FC Official Thread 284837 Got photos when i met the Liverpool team in 1989 and others from a few years earlier.

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    Post by Laurencio Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:28 am

    NZG wrote:
    SpiritOfShankly wrote:


    why? The club would get more money out of it. Doesn't affect you in anyway. Real Madrid and Barcelona both benefit from it.

    It effects everyone related to football.

    This news by the club scares as it does impress me. It shows us we have very smart people in charge but it also shows that we have owners who don't care for football but only for liverpool and making a profit. If we do break away then in the long run we will end up like scotland, Anyone who looks at the whole spanish league sees football slowly dieing. People say that soon all the football players will want to go to spain because it has the two best clubs and that is true, It does have the two best clubs but there is only two games during the whole season where they will be tested so sooner or later the best players will go to clubs that will play harder games and make them better players ( germany and us)

    I don't want our club to be even thinking about this.

    This is what sense looks like. Take a good look.

    I fully agree that turning the TV Deal system into the spanish model would be disasterous for English football on a whole. Who would want Liverpool and Manchester United running away with 50-60% of the budget a year? That's just not right.
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    Post by Guest Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:06 am

    Fonseca wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    Thanks Laurencio i will need to look into this and i could get my pictures on.Liverpool FC Official Thread 284837 Got photos when i met the Liverpool team in 1989 and others from a few years earlier.

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    Post by Guest Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:13 am

    I don't think funny will ever be a word to associate with dear old Fonseca. Black hole, yes.




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    Post by Dobson Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:22 am

    What do you guys think the line up for saturday will be? is Kelly fit?
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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:21 pm

    SpiritOfShankly wrote:
    NZG wrote:

    they want to bring in as much money as possible regardless of how it effects the competition in the league.

    They the best players in the world now (ronaldo messi xavi)

    We have like 10 world class players

    Spain have more than 20

    Suarez (our best player) has stated before that he wants to play for barcelona.

    Neymar (possibly the brightest talent in world football) has stated that he wants to play for barca and real but they have the best players so he won't be able to get a game.

    If the other clubs in spain don't stand up for themselves then spain will be scotland and no good player likes scotland.


    The premier league has 10 world class players? grin

    I don't know if you are trying to say we have more or we have less but whatever. We might even have less that was just an estimate.

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    Post by Scouser_Dave Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:54 pm

    Dobson wrote:What do you guys think the line up for saturday will be? is Kelly fit?

    We have a full squad to choose from for the game. Even Aurelio is available Laughing

    As for the line up, possible...

    Reina
    Kelly - Carra - Skrtel - Enrique
    Adam - Lucas
    Gerrard - Suarez - Downing
    Carroll

    with Suarez and Gerrard interchanging throughout the match. Can't see any other elven from Kenny to be honest.
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    Liverpool future looks bright under John W Henry
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    Page last updated at 05:43 GMT, Thursday, 13 October 2011 06:43 By Paul Plunkett

    BBC Sport

    American businessman John W Henry paid £300m for Liverpool FC John W Henry slips unnoticed out of a side door at Slaughter and May law offices in London, successfully avoiding the camera lenses of more than 100 photographers camped outside the entrance.

    The tall, quietly spoken American has spent the last 24 hours in a public duel with compatriots George Gillett and Tom Hicks for control of Liverpool Football Club and needs to escape the suffocation of battle for a couple of minutes.

    He takes off his glasses and scuttles down an alley, inhaling the ice-cold October air to revive him after another sleepless night.

    An elderly gent approaches and immediately recognises the man trying to dethrone Liverpool's vilified owners.

    "You are the messiah," he says before disappearing into the autumn chill.

    Henry knew he was buying more than a football club. Like the famous Boston Red Sox baseball franchise, which he acquired in 2002, he knew he would be inheriting a fan base built on tradition with fierce loyalty and an almost religious fervour where players and managers are worshipped.

    New Liverpool owner learns from fans
    Less than an hour later, Henry gets the phone call he has been waiting for - he is the new owner of one of Europe's biggest football clubs.

    When Liverpool face Manchester United at Anfield on Saturday, it will have been a year to the day since that life-changing call.

    Life-changing for Henry. Life-changing for many of the fans who had marched against the previous regime. Life-changing for Kenny Dalglish, the original King of the Kop, who returned as manager in January after a 20-year absence.

    Henry's success will be measured in silverware.

    Liverpool fans know they can't compete financially with the likes of Manchester City. "I do not have Sheikh in front of my name," says the 62-year-old, a foreign exchange trading advisor. Indeed, he was listed 20th in the recent Football Rich List with a £600m fortune, a figure dwarfed by the £20bn of Manchester City owner Sheikh Mansour.

    But fans expect to see progress and ambition - and Henry has delivered to the tune of £115m in the transfer market so far, although plenty was recouped by the sales of Fernando Torres to Chelsea and Raul Meireles to Chelsea for a combined £62m.

    Supporters want stability not hollow promises. They want the football team not the club owner to make the headlines.

    Former Liverpool manager Roy Evans, who spent 33 years on the Anfield staff, has been impressed with Henry's first year at the helm.

    JOHN W HENRY FACTFILEContinue reading the main story
    •1949: Born in Quincy, Illinois, 13 September.
    •1981: Fails to graduate from the University of California, so sets up his own company, John W. Henry and Co, providing services to commodity brokerage firms.
    •1983: Henry moves to larger premises at Fashion Island in Newport Beach as his business expands.
    •1989: Makes his first investment in a sports franchise, purchasing the AAA minor league team the Tucson Toros.
    •1991: Buys shares in the New York Yankees baseball team.
    •1999: Buys the Florida Marlins baseball team for a reported $158m [Approx £98m].
    •2002: Sells the Marlins. Sets up New England Sports Ventures (NESV), and buys the Boston Red Sox for $700m [£476m].
    •2004: Under NESV's ownership, the Red Sox end an 86-year drought by winning the World Series.
    •2007: The Red Sox win the World Series again. Henry buys a 50% stake in the Roush Fenway Racing NASCAR team.
    •2010: 5 October - Liverpool confirm they have accepted a bid, believed to be £300m, from NESV.
    •2011: January - Liverpool sack manager Roy Hodgson and replace him with club legend Kenny Dalglish. Sells Fernando Torres to Chelsea for British record £50m.
    "He has won over the fans in a very subtle way without forcing himself down their throats," Evans said. "He has been very sensible since he took over. He hasn't rushed into any silly moves or any silly promises.

    "He has sat back and had a look at the club as a whole. The club looks in a far better shape than it did two or three years ago."

    Evans was part of the famous Anfield 'Boot Room' - literally a boot room where the likes of Bob Paisley, Ronnie Moran, and latterly Dalglish would gather after games to discuss tactics and strategies over a glass of whisky. What happened on the pitch outweighed anything off it.

    Dalglish is keen to reintroduce that Boot Room culture, fusing his traditional approach with the modern ideas of assistant Steve Clarke and director of football Damien Comolli.

    And Henry is happy to support the Scot. He is only too aware Liverpool's last top-flight title came under Dalglish's stewardship 21 years ago.

    Not that 21 years is a long time in the American's eyes. He helped the Boston Red Sox end an 86-year wait for a World Series title in 2004. And then repeated the feat three years later for good measure.

    It seems there is more than good business sense to his success. Henry cares about the club but more importantly about the fans, the traditions and the values.

    Stan Grossfeld, the two-time Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist from the Boston Globe, was with Henry in Liverpool on the day he bought the club.

    He told BBC Sport: "John is eclectic, shy, soft-spoken, intelligent and has a wry sense of humour. He always does his homework.

    "When he first arrived in Liverpool and the Press was looking for him, he was secretly meeting with a fans' group.

    "He didn't promise them anything but he asked questions and listened."

    In fact, he was meeting with Kevin Howson, of the redwhiteandkop.com website, who emailed the millionaire businessman and was shocked to land a one-on-one interview.

    Howson said: "Henry listened and was very interested in what I had to say, which is great to see.

    "We had got to the point with Hicks and Gillett where football was irrelevant. Our club was going out of business.

    "Because of that, Henry still has to win some fans over. We didn't ask questions under Hicks and Gillett but now we will. But it's so far, so good.

    Continue reading the main story
    When Henry first arrived in Liverpool and the Press was looking for him, he was secretly meeting with a fans' group. He didn't promise them anything but he asked questions and listened.
    Stan Grossfeld

    Boston Globe reporter
    "We've fallen a long way back but we feel we've turned the corner."

    With change comes suspicion. So what does John W Henry get out of spending £300m on a Premier League football club?

    "I do not think any individual buys a sports franchise, or an English football club, to make money," Henry said.

    "Maybe a few but they need their heads examined. It is about competing at the highest level in the world's largest sport for us. That is why we are here."

    And when Grossfeld asked him on the plane journey back to Boston if he prefers "soccer" as a business or baseball, the answer was succinct: "Well, there isn't a 48% tax [in soccer]."

    In the next year, along with managing director Ian Ayre, he will develop Liverpool's marketing strategies throughout Asia - one of the more lucrative areas to tap into.

    Television revenues remain top of the list and this week Ayre claimed Premier League clubs should be able to sell their own broadcast rights overseas. This would mean Liverpool could expoit their worldwide popularity without having to share the TV pot with other Premier League clubs.

    Henry will also have to tackle the stadium issue at Liverpool, which is still to be resolved after several years of planning. The sticking point is the financial viability of paying for a new stadium without seeing a return through the turnstiles. Naming rights remains key.

    And he will continue to invest on the field without leaving the club with a trail of debt.

    It is clear Henry has delivered one year in. He has brought Dalglish back, invested in players, respected the traditions of the club and listened to the supporters, the heartbeat of Liverpool.

    As fan Kevin Howson said: "For the first time in a long time, we can start talking about the football again."

    There's no bigger compliment, Mr Henry.



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    Liverpool FC Official Thread 23foundation

    Caption contest for Carra's foundation.

    Carra thinking to himself "Thank god im really good at footy otherwise i'd be in there with that lot"

    I'd rather walk alone than with this lot.
    Once a blue, always a red.
    You'll Never Walk Alone

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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:26 pm

    "no regrets"

    Better caption.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:11 pm

    Eternal Witcher wrote:I don't think funny will ever be a word to associate with dear old Fonseca. Black hole, yes.




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    Reckon Adamonso will start?
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:29 am

    We simply must beat Man United. The thought of being only 3 points behind them is mouthwatering. We cannot let the gap increase to 9 points, which it will do if we lose. A draw wouldn't be awful, but at Anfield, we should be winning every game.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:31 am

    Scott wrote:We simply must beat Man United. The thought of being only 3 points behind them is mouthwatering. We cannot let the gap increase to 9 points, which it will do if we lose. A draw wouldn't be awful, but at Anfield, we should be winning every game.
    Nonsense, winning every home game is title winning form, those are much too high expectations.
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:34 am

    Scott wrote:We simply must beat Man United. The thought of being only 3 points behind them is mouthwatering. We cannot let the gap increase to 9 points, which it will do if we lose. A draw wouldn't be awful, but at Anfield, we should be winning every game.
    Scott man, there's only been 7 games. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:36 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Scott wrote:We simply must beat Man United. The thought of being only 3 points behind them is mouthwatering. We cannot let the gap increase to 9 points, which it will do if we lose. A draw wouldn't be awful, but at Anfield, we should be winning every game.
    Nonsense, winning every home game is title winning form, those are much too high expectations.

    Not really.
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:36 am

    kyro7 wrote:
    Scott wrote:We simply must beat Man United. The thought of being only 3 points behind them is mouthwatering. We cannot let the gap increase to 9 points, which it will do if we lose. A draw wouldn't be awful, but at Anfield, we should be winning every game.
    Scott man, there's only been 7 games. Laughing

    Your point is?
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:39 am

    Kenny Dalglish has revealed he has a fully fit squad to select from against Manchester United this weekend.

    The likes of Glen Johnson, Martin Kelly, Daniel Agger and Fabio Aurelio are all back vying for places.

    "Everybody's fine," the boss told reporters. "The three boys who came back from South America are all fine. It's only myself that's ill! I can't even get a game in a five-a-side.

    "But it's only Thursday - we might get a couple (of injuries) tomorrow!"

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