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    "What they say about Stevie G"

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    Post by Mal Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:55 pm

    Dean wrote:A football great for me, certainly in modern football, just a fantastic footballer. Not the greatest 'team' player, as in, fitting into systems, working with other players (I'm probably being a bit hard on him here) but as an individual, noone touches him, not even close to him. Your Messi's, Ronaldo's...Zidane's... but past them 3, I'm struggling to think of players who are better or on his level individually.

    And that's how good he is/was.

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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:58 pm

    So Dean first says no one touches Gerrard

    and then

    Dean is saying Gerrard is the 4th best player to ever live?

    Either way both are wrong.
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    Post by Hitchy Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:20 pm

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    Post by dena Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:58 pm

    Gerrard on Messi, Ronaldo's or Zidane's level? For real? I loved Gerrard in his prime but for real. Neutral
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:20 pm

    dena wrote:Gerrard on Messi, Ronaldo's or Zidane's level? For real? I loved Gerrard in his prime but for real. Neutral

    You know what, I am man enough to admit it. He's far better than them.
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:32 pm

    “He’s a midfielder and if you look at all the important goals he’s scored - well I can’t even think of a striker in the world who has scored as many important goals, never mind a midfielder. How many times has he done it in the dying seconds of a game? I am trying to think of a striker now who does it - there aren’t any. Think about it.

    Is right. Who can argue with that? Come at me, bro.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:39 pm

    Scott wrote:
    “He’s a midfielder and if you look at all the important goals he’s scored - well I can’t even think of a striker in the world who has scored as many important goals, never mind a midfielder. How many times has he done it in the dying seconds of a game? I am trying to think of a striker now who does it - there aren’t any. Think about it.

    Is right. Who can argue with that? Come at me, bro.

    Listen, you could narrow it down to any player like that. I imagine if you look at someone like Lampard's statistics, there will be a particular minute when he is more likely to score, or with any other player, the fact Gerrard's statistical likelihood is the 90th minute doesn't actually mean anything about him, it is just a coincidence. Unless you want to argue that he isn't trying as hard in the first 89 minutes.

    If you want a striker who scored a lot of important goals, sometimes in the dying minutes of a game (I can't remember Gerrard scoring in the dying seconds), look no further than Carlos Tevez. Scored the goals which kept West Ham United in the Premier League against all odds, scored the equaliser at Lyon in the CL, scored a last minute goal against Blackburn in the PL which proved key to winning the title, did the same against Tottenham Hotspur, scored the winner at Anfield, scored the equaliser in the last minute of a Copa Libertadores Semi Final against his team's greatest rivals (equivalent of a United-Liverpool Semi with Gerrard scoring the winner), scored the equaliser in Old Trafford in a huge League Cup Semi Final, scored winning goals against Chelsea 2 or 3 times, the guy's done it all.
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    Post by Barton Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:39 pm

    What? You're telling me no other striker in the world has scored as many 'important' goals as Steven Gerrard?

    I'm pretty sure every goal Leonal Messi has scored has been 'important' and contributed greatly to Barcelona's success.


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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:40 pm

    JMB_94 wrote:What? You're telling me no other striker in the world has scored as many 'important' goals as Steven Gerrard?

    Name one.
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    Post by Barton Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:41 pm

    See my edit.
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    Post by Mal Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:42 pm

    Thierry Henry and Ruud Van Nistelrooy scored shitloads of important goals for their respective clubs.

    Wiltord scored quite a few too.
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:42 pm

    phenomenon ronaldo was the original big game player he score far many more important goals than gerrard who is a nobody in comparison

    complete player? he has no skill and has the touch of a donkey. an example of a complete player is ronaldinho
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:43 pm

    They weren't as significant as Gerrard's ones though.

    Anyway, Henry said it, not me.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:43 pm

    Much as it pains me to remember that goal, Wiltord has scored a far more important goal than Steven Gerrard ever has or will.
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    Post by Barton Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:50 pm

    Scott wrote:They weren't as significant as Gerrard's ones though.

    Anyway, Henry said it, not me.

    I think Leonal Messi's 127 goals for Barcelona have been far more significant in helping Barcelona win 3 consecutive La Liga titles, the Champions League in 08/09 and 10/11, etc.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:51 pm

    JMB_94 wrote:
    Scott wrote:They weren't as significant as Gerrard's ones though.

    Anyway, Henry said it, not me.

    I think Leonal Messi's 127 goals for Barcelona have been far more significant in helping Barcelona win 3 consecutive La Liga titles, the Champions League in 08/09 and 10/11, etc.

    Listen, scoring goals all the time and winning League Titles isn't important, what's important is scoring a few goals in important games. That's why Gerrard is a brilliant player and Ibrahimovic is a shit one.
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:53 pm

    scoring the winner against a 10 man bolton in injury time to move up to 5th place

    gerrard, legendary status
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:58 pm

    His goal in the FA Cup dying seconds comes to mind. And his goal vs Olympiakos. His goal in Istanbul which started the comeback.

    Like I said, Thierry Henry said it, not me.
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    Post by Barton Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:59 pm

    Scott wrote:His goal in the FA Cup dying seconds comes to mind. And his goal vs Olympiakos. His goal in Istanbul which started the comeback.

    Like I said, Thierry Henry said it, not me.

    If Thierry Henry really did say that (which i doubt) then he is a moron.
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:00 am

    http://www.jimmyrice.org/2010/12/thierry-henry-interview-november-2008.html
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:00 am

    Coming into this thread it's from one extreme to another, someone thinks Gerrard = Messi, and some think Gerrard = Heskey.
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:00 am

    Gerrard is awesome.
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:02 am

    kyro7 wrote:Coming into this thread it's from one extreme to another, someone thinks Gerrard = Messi, and some think Gerrard = Heskey.

    No one thinks Gerrard = Messi Neutral
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:03 am

    Except Zidane "What they say about Stevie G" - Page 4 3925848005

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1161649/Zidane-Forget-Ronaldo-Messi-best-player-world-Liverpool-star-Gerrard.html
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:03 am

    Scott wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:Coming into this thread it's from one extreme to another, someone thinks Gerrard = Messi, and some think Gerrard = Heskey.

    No one thinks Gerrard = Messi Neutral
    No one thinks Gerrard = Heskey either. Neutral
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    Post by Laurencio Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:06 am

    Scott wrote:
    “He’s a midfielder and if you look at all the important goals he’s scored - well I can’t even think of a striker in the world who has scored as many important goals, never mind a midfielder. How many times has he done it in the dying seconds of a game? I am trying to think of a striker now who does it - there aren’t any. Think about it.

    Is right. Who can argue with that? Come at me, bro.

    Strikers:

    Ruud Van Nistelrooy
    Thierry Henry
    Ronaldo
    Lionel Messi ( I suppose he's a striker now)
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic
    Wayne Rooney
    Didier Drogba
    David Villa

    Midfielders:
    Frank Lampard (I know right, shocking)
    David Beckham (Without him WC 2002 would have been a fantasy)
    Zinedine Zidane
    Kaká
    Andrés Iniesta

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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:06 am

    Top man, Gerrard.Touch of a god.
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:08 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    Is right. Who can argue with that? Come at me, bro.

    Strikers:

    Ruud Van Nistelrooy
    Thierry Henry
    Ronaldo
    Lionel Messi ( I suppose he's a striker now)
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic
    Wayne Rooney
    Didier Drogba
    David Villa

    Midfielders:
    Frank Lampard (I know right, shocking)
    David Beckham (Without him WC 2002 would have been a fantasy)
    Zinedine Zidane
    Kaká
    Andrés Iniesta

    He's not even the most "game changing" English player "What they say about Stevie G" - Page 4 537999

    You've gone for overkill by including Iniesta. WC and the Champions league, two games.





    That I know of.
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:09 am

    Henry > All of you.
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:09 am

    Scott wrote:Henry > All of you.

    Agreed.

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