"What they say about Stevie G"

Thierry Henry > All of you.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Strikers:

Ruud Van Nistelrooy
Thierry Henry
Ronaldo
Lionel Messi ( I suppose he's a striker now)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Wayne Rooney
Didier Drogba
David Villa

Midfielders:
Frank Lampard (I know right, shocking)
David Beckham (Without him WC 2002 would have been a fantasy)
Zinedine Zidane
Kaká
Andrés Iniesta

He's not even the most "game changing" English player

You've gone for overkill by including Iniesta. WC and the Champions league, two games.





That I know of.

I know, but the WC is a pretty big competition to do it in, not to mention for his national team. I certainly can't think of any "defining" moment when Gerrard has made that "vital" difference in an England side.

It's worth mentioning that Henry said that in 2008 so including WC last season etc is

Laurencio wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

You've gone for overkill by including Iniesta. WC and the Champions league, two games.





That I know of.

I know, but the WC is a pretty big competition to do it in, not to mention for his national team. I certainly can't think of any "defining" moment when Gerrard has made that "vital" difference in an England side.

In an England side? Form for the national side is irrelevant when England is concerned. Fluctuates too much.

Scott wrote:It's worth mentioning that Henry said that in 2008 so including WC last season etc is

I don't care when Henry said it, you were the one "challenging" anyone to come up with other players, not him. I have no interest in proving Thierry Henry wrong, although I still highly doubt that interview is even real.

You think that link was fake?

Scott wrote:You think that link was fake?

The link? No. The interview? Yes. Wouldn't be the first time an English tabloid has faked an interview with a footballer.

Eternal Witcher wrote:
In an England side? Form for the national side is irrelevant when England is concerned. Fluctuates too much.

Thing is though if his greatness is based on scoring "vital" goals, then he sure as hell hasn't shown that for England, while the likes of Wayne Rooney, David Beckham, Michael Owen, and heck even Theo Walcott, have. Not that Theo Walcott is better than Steven Gerrard or anyhting like that.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1338&bih=711&q=“He’s+a+midfielder+and+if+you+look+at+all+the+important+goals+he’s+scored+-+well+I+can’t+even+think+of+a+striker+in+the+world+who+has+scored+as+many+important+goals%2C+never+mind+a+midfielder.+How+many+times+has+he+done+it+in+the+dying+seconds+of+a+game%3F+I+am+trying+to+think+of+a+striker+now+who+does+it+-+there+aren’t+any.+Think+about+it.&oq=“He’s+a+midfielder+and+if+you+look+at+all+the+important+goals+he’s+scored+-+well+I+can’t+even+think+of+a+striker+in+the+world+who+has+scored+as+many+important+goals%2C+never+mind+a+midfielder.+How+many+times+has+he+done+it+in+the+dying+seconds+of+a+game%3F+I+am+trying+to+think+of+a+striker+now+who+does+it+-+there+aren’t+any.+Think+about+it.&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=567l567l0l721l1l1l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0

Scott wrote:http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1338&bih=711&q=“He’s+a+midfielder+and+if+you+look+at+all+the+important+goals+he’s+scored+-+well+I+can’t+even+think+of+a+striker+in+the+world+who+has+scored+as+many+important+goals%2C+never+mind+a+midfielder.+How+many+times+has+he+done+it+in+the+dying+seconds+of+a+game%3F+I+am+trying+to+think+of+a+striker+now+who+does+it+-+there+aren’t+any.+Think+about+it.&oq=“He’s+a+midfielder+and+if+you+look+at+all+the+important+goals+he’s+scored+-+well+I+can’t+even+think+of+a+striker+in+the+world+who+has+scored+as+many+important+goals%2C+never+mind+a+midfielder.+How+many+times+has+he+done+it+in+the+dying+seconds+of+a+game%3F+I+am+trying+to+think+of+a+striker+now+who+does+it+-+there+aren’t+any.+Think+about+it.&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=567l567l0l721l1l1l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0

You do realise that without an actual source, and just a bunch of site refrencing the exact same interview independently without a refrence point that is as much proof as milk is a potent form of anaesthetic.

You really are pathetic, it's obviously a real interview.

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2292/editorials/2010/06/07/1963329/top-10-wrong-pele-predictions

Scott wrote:You really are pathetic, it's obviously a real interview.

Yet there is no source of it. Seriously. I'm not saying Gerrard isn't a good player, as I've said earlier I think he's the best you've ever had. Honestly I don't know how I'd rank him (not among the best 3 of all time though), but that intervew doesn't sit right at all. Not to mention a few of the "facts" presented are just flat out wrong. If you're going to argue a player's quality then argue it on the basis of his actual performance and ability. How anyone could say that Ronaldinho wasn't the best player in the world in 2005 is a bit of a mystery.

For instance:

Why Steven Gerrard is a great player:

1. He's the most important player in the Liverpool team. He not only acts as a captain (even without the armband), but he also represents Liverpool in everything he does. If anyone thinks of "Liverpool FC" they would have a hard time not thinking about Steven Gerrard. He is Liverpool personified, a man that embodies the spirit and soul of the club. If that's good or bad is up to you to decide.

2. He is an all around player who can play almost anywhere in the middle. Be it up front as an attacking midfielder or trequarista, on the wings as a wide midfielder or winger, or even behind the midfield as a hard working ball winner. He would be a quality asset to any team.

3. His passing ability may not be on par with the world's very best passers, but he is constantly involved in attacks, either by starting them and orchestrating them, delivering that vital final pass, or even being the one to complete the attacks. Steven Gerrard may not be the "world's best" in anything specific, but is very good at a lot of different things, which makes him an important player for his team. Some could say he's the world's best all around player (I wouldn't but eh.. I suppose some would).

4. Aside from being utterly rubbish to positoin himself during the WC in 2010, Gerrard is constantly aware of how the game flows and how to position himsefl to best help his team. He, like Rooney, Xavi, Andrea Pirlo, Kaká and other quality hard working players, will always (well, mostly) put the team ahead of himself.

5. Gerrard has been cursed by being the best player in a pond of mediocre players. Only occasionally having gotten to play with quality players on a club level. (Torres and Alonoso, I'm not considering Reina as too vital to Gerrard's performances.) As a result he has achieved a lot less than he could have, had he been luckier with his timing, or even the club he appeared in Gerrard would have won a whole lot of trophies. The failures on international level are well documented, but that isn't only down to Gerrard as a bundle of highly skillful players have been largely disappointing for England.

If you're going to argue his quality then at least use some real arguements. Not some rubbish about having scored the most vital goals (not true), being the best in 2005 (Istanbul was shockingly great, but Ronaldinho's performance over the entire season was just stellar), and "he must be the best because these interviews from Zinedine Zidane and Thierry Henry, that I can't really source properly say so".

You're acting like I think Gerrard is the best player in the world. This thread wasn't created for heated debates about this, it was merely created to give people the chance to read some famous people's opinions on Gerrard, as they debate amongst themselves whether or not he's Liverpool's greatest.

It's the obsessed Manc fans that came in and turned this into something it's not. As usual.

Scott wrote:You're acting like I think Gerrard is the best player in the world. This thread wasn't created for heated debates about this, it was merely created to give people the chance to read some famous people's opinions on Gerrard, as they debate amongst themselves whether or not he's Liverpool's greatest.

It's the obsessed Manc fans that came in and turned this into something it's not. A usual.

Dont act like you were expecting a rosey thread.

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Scott wrote:You're acting like I think Gerrard is the best player in the world. This thread wasn't created for heated debates about this, it was merely created to give people the chance to read some famous people's opinions on Gerrard, as they debate amongst themselves whether or not he's Liverpool's greatest.

It's the obsessed Manc fans that came in and turned this into something it's not. A usual.

Dont act like you were expecting a rosey thread.

I didn't say I didn't expect idiot Mancs to come in and spoil it (it goes without saying that it will happen) but that's not why I created the thread itself. The thread was made because i thought it was interesting and thought people would enjoy reading it.

If a Manc made a similar thread about Scholes, I seriously doubt Liverpool fans would flood in and vehemently try to soil his name. We'd probably praise him ourselves.

http://www.the-playmaker.com/t4691p60-paul-scholes
Wasn't a United fan that did the thread but as you can see, you certainly did not praise him.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Much as it pains me to remember that goal, Wiltord has scored a far more important goal than Steven Gerrard ever has or will.

I'll have to live on that goal for the rest of my life. I doubt Arsenal will be having any similar moments in the future.

Kuled wrote:http://www.the-playmaker.com/t4691p60-paul-scholes
Wasn't a United fan that did the thread but as you can see, you certainly did not praise him.

Completely different kind of thread.

Disagreeing with the source is one thing, trying to claim that the quotes are false with nothing to back it up is just embarrassing

Jay wrote:Disagreeing with the source is one thing, trying to claim that the quotes are false with nothing to back it up is just embarrassing

Then where is it from then? From what I've seen it's been published on forums and amateur sites without any link to the real thing. I've never said that it's flat out false, I've said I doubt the authenticity of. If anyone could provide anyhting remotely like a reliable source for the Henry interview then I'll gladly cast away all doubts.

Laurencio wrote:

Jay wrote:Disagreeing with the source is one thing, trying to claim that the quotes are false with nothing to back it up is just embarrassing

Then where is it from then? From what I've seen it's been published on forums and amateur sites without any link to the real thing. I've never said that it's flat out false, I've said I doubt the authenticity of. If anyone could provide anyhting remotely like a reliable source for the Henry interview then I'll gladly cast away all doubts.

False quotes won't have been circling all forms of media for 3 years without someone proving them wrong, I don't see why you're so hung up over it.

Jay wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Then where is it from then? From what I've seen it's been published on forums and amateur sites without any link to the real thing. I've never said that it's flat out false, I've said I doubt the authenticity of. If anyone could provide anyhting remotely like a reliable source for the Henry interview then I'll gladly cast away all doubts.

False quotes won't have been circling all forms of media for 3 years without someone proving them wrong, I don't see why you're so hung up over it.

There's no real professional media outlet that are using them. This is a quick list of the highest google hits:

"Slash and Bromance" (some sort of blogger)
"Jimmy Rice's Personal Blog"
"aconstantache" (Another blogger)
"Some Liverpool Forum"
"CaughtOffsides"
"Another Liverpool Forum"

This is not "media".


However, considering none of you actually bother to make an effort finding the source. I figured I'd have to do it myself, and found that interview is indeed authentic and was posted on the official Liverpool website in 2008. So now I don't doubt the authenticity, but I do doubt how sane Henry truly is. See, any one of you would just do that instead of linking to random blogs and clearly biased forums then I wouldn't have said anything.

Anyway. Actual source: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/henry-why-i-d-love-to-play-alongside-stevie


At any rate. I don't see how I'm hung up over the quotes. I just don't see why I should accept things on face value that seem absurd and the only links provided for it are random blogs.

Jay wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Then where is it from then? From what I've seen it's been published on forums and amateur sites without any link to the real thing. I've never said that it's flat out false, I've said I doubt the authenticity of. If anyone could provide anyhting remotely like a reliable source for the Henry interview then I'll gladly cast away all doubts.

False quotes won't have been circling all forms of media for 3 years without someone proving them wrong, I don't see why you're so hung up over it.

To be fair there was a guy on RedCafe who made up quotes about Kaka, saying joining United would be a dream, and they were featured on Sky Sports, the Daily Mail, MUTV, you name it.

Why should we make an effort? We weren't the ones doubting them in the first place. You tried to claim that they were fake, it should be up to you to prove it.

Jay wrote:Why should we make an effort? We weren't the ones doubting them in the first place. You tried to claim that they were fake, it should be up to you to prove it.

Don't talk shit

I spoke to Steven Gerrard in a pub last week

"I ran over that kid on purpose because I fucking hate Man Utd" he explained "and I bribed that judge to let me off with beating the fuck out of that guy"

Prove those quotes are wrong.

fake quotes? liverpool fans seem to be the masters at making them. one time a liverpool fan tried to show me a quote by pele where he says "liverpool is the greatest club in the world and gerrard is absolute genius" eventually, like the rest of them, he was easily discover and was name and shamed

Jay wrote:Why should we make an effort? We weren't the ones doubting them in the first place. You tried to claim that they were fake, it should be up to you to prove it.

Do you hear yourself? "prove to me that something that might be made up doesn't exist". How the heck do I do that? If it's so easy then please prove to me that there isn't an animal in this world, aside from humans, that looks EXACTLY like Brad Pitt..

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Jay wrote:Why should we make an effort? We weren't the ones doubting them in the first place. You tried to claim that they were fake, it should be up to you to prove it.

Don't talk shit

I spoke to Steven Gerrard in a pub last week

"I ran over that kid on purpose because I fucking hate Man Utd" he explained "and I bribed that judge to let me off with beating the fuck out of that guy"

Prove those quotes are wrong.

Laurencio wrote:

Jay wrote:Why should we make an effort? We weren't the ones doubting them in the first place. You tried to claim that they were fake, it should be up to you to prove it.

Do you hear yourself? "prove to me that something that might be made up doesn't exist". How the heck do I do that? If it's so easy then please prove to me that there isn't an animal in this world, aside from humans, that looks EXACTLY like Brad Pitt..

Look, all Scott did was post the quotes, if people are going to come in and say that they are false, at least have something to back up your claims, otherwise you just look like you're clutching at straws.

Also, RR, don't be childish.

How can you back up a claim that something is false?

By providing the real quotes?
I don't really know why you decide to jump at anything I say, makes you look like a right sad bastard.
All I said in the first place was that it's a bit embarrassing stating that quotes are fake as if it's a fact when in reality he was completely guessing, I don't want or need a fucking life lesson.