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ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If Egyptians want an Islamic based party controlling the country, it should not be allowed.

Why not? If you understanding of the Brotherhood or any Islamic party in Egypt is anything like your understanding of Islam, it's a poor one.

Government should not be based on 7th century myths.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:You seem to be under the belief that democracy is this perfect system, and that the more democratic a system is the better, is that accurate?

Not at all, I think a republic is better than a democratic state. Do I think Capitalism is the best? No, I think an Islamic one is the best. The beauty of political models, is that it's subjective. There is no single right way to run a government. It also differs from one country to another. It's not right for you to go around enforcing a single political model on every country just because it may work in yours.

Republics are democratic. How can you even equate Capitalism with Islamism? Most, if not all, Islamic states are also capitalist. Capitalism is an economic system, Islamism is not. Perhaps there is no single right way to run a government, but certain rights should be protected in all states, and if the US attempts to propagate that after the Arab Spring that they started then they should be applauded for it.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Yeah, that's what he says in interviews, what he says in private is a lot different, believe me, I know. There is video footage I have seen that you probably haven't for moral reasons.

You know his personal life? Please share this video. If you are referring to Bruno, you are an idiot.

Brüno is an unedited account of his real views. If he had referred to a black guy as a ice cream his political career would be over, slurs against homosexuals are even worse. As someone who uses racial slurs and opposes equality for homosexuals, I don't expect you to understand that.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Republics are democratic. How can you even equate Capitalism with Islamism? Most, if not all, Islamic states are also capitalist. Capitalism is an economic system, Islamism is not. Perhaps there is no single right way to run a government, but certain rights should be protected in all states, and if the US attempts to propagate that after the Arab Spring that they started then they should be applauded for it.

The Egyptian people don't need the US's help in holding elections, let alone having them choose the candidates for them. They are capable of holding free and fair elections on their own and they did just that. The reason Egypt is in this mess, is the USA's fault to begin with. They are the ones who installed and supported dictators. This is another example of your dishonesty (or ignorance). You know that the USA supported dictatorship in the Middle East and now you say they should be the ones to decide the new leaders in the area.

And you are false. An Islamism is both a political and economic system. It covers all areas. There is such a thing as Islamic banking and finance.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Brüno is an unedited account of his real views. If he had referred to a black guy as a ice cream his political career would be over, slurs against homosexuals are even worse. As someone who uses racial slurs and opposes equality for homosexuals, I don't expect you to understand that.

I have watched Bruno before, and Ron Paul was not homophobic. He was simply shocked and ran off, like any normal heterosexual would in such a situation. I find it more disgusting that a man would lie to get an interview and then put someone in a situation like that.

And how can you even compare his reaction to using racial slurs against black people? Ron Paul didn't react like that because Bruno was gay. He acted like that because he was being inappropriate and hitting on him.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Republics are democratic. How can you even equate Capitalism with Islamism? Most, if not all, Islamic states are also capitalist. Capitalism is an economic system, Islamism is not. Perhaps there is no single right way to run a government, but certain rights should be protected in all states, and if the US attempts to propagate that after the Arab Spring that they started then they should be applauded for it.

The Egyptian people don't need the US's help in holding elections, let alone having them choose the candidates for them. They are capable of holding free and fair elections on their own and they did just that. The reason Egypt is in this mess, is the USA's fault to begin with. They are the ones who installed and supported dictators. This is another example of your dishonesty (or ignorance). You know that the USA supported dictatorship in the Middle East and now you say they should be the ones to decide the new leaders in the area.

And you are false. An Islamism is both a political and economic system. It covers all areas. There is such a thing as Islamic banking and finance.

No, they don't need it, but its possible they would be better off. I'm not sure if they can hold free and fair elections. It may have been the US government from decades ago that put Egypt in a mess (although I'd have thought you'd have been happy with a stable, religious government), but I would hope that the leaders they appoint today would be more democratic, and do more to protect freedoms. It would be better for their public image, undoubtedly.

Islamism is not an economic structure. It's like asking someone if they're a Socialist and them saying 'No, I'm a Catholic', utter bollocks you're talking.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Brüno is an unedited account of his real views. If he had referred to a black guy as a ice cream his political career would be over, slurs against homosexuals are even worse. As someone who uses racial slurs and opposes equality for homosexuals, I don't expect you to understand that.

I have watched Bruno before, and Ron Paul was not homophobic. He was simply shocked and ran off, like any normal heterosexual would in such a situation. I find it more disgusting that a man would lie to get an interview and then put someone in a situation like that.

And how can you even compare his reaction to using racial slurs against black people? Ron Paul didn't react like that because Bruno was gay. He acted like that because he was being inappropriate and hitting on him.

He ran off screaming homophobic slurs, but again, as someone who uses racist slurs, you probably don't have a problem with it.

He called him a queer because he was gay.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:No, they don't need it, but its possible they would be better off. I'm not sure if they can hold free and fair elections. It may have been the US government from decades ago that put Egypt in a mess (although I'd have thought you'd have been happy with a stable, religious government), but I would hope that the leaders they appoint today would be more democratic, and do more to protect freedoms. It would be better for their public image, undoubtedly.

Islamism is not an economic structure. It's like asking someone if they're a Socialist and them saying 'No, I'm a Catholic', utter bollocks you're talking.

It's not the US's job to police the world. The Egyptians didn't ask for the US's help. They have no business getting in the affairs of others without permission. And I don't know why you are unsure about free and fair elections. They already happened and are happening again. There is nothing to be unsure about.

Again, this shows how little you know. There is a difference between Islam and Islamic political parties/structures. In your example, you are comparing a political structure to a religion. If there was a political system based on Catholicism and a supporter of such a political party was called a Catholic, then the answer you provided would make sense.

There are political parties out there that base their thinking on Islam. Since Islam covers a lot of areas, this also covers the area of financing and banking. Like I said before, there are such things as Islamic financing and Islamic banks out there. The only utter bollocks that is being written, is the words that are posted under your username.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He ran off screaming homophobic slurs, but again, as someone who uses racist slurs, you probably don't have a problem with it.

He called him a queer because he was gay.

Queer isn't really a slur. Would you consider "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" an offensive title for a TV program? Surely, that must be even worse (according to your previous statements) than a program titled "Nigga Eye for the White Guy".

If a gay guy took off his pants and came on to you like that, I would bet you would do the same thing, if not worse. Why don't you ask the forum how they would react to gay guy pulling down his pants and coming on to you? I also don't see why you keep on saying I use racial slurs.

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Are you usually dishonest or just ignorant? If you are ignorant, I will happily try my hardest to continue to educate you about several topics that you seem to be lacking in. If you are just being dishonest, then I'm afraid I can't help you. I can't have a serious discussion with someone who intentionally lies about facts and takes controversial positions for the enjoyment of trolling.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:No, they don't need it, but its possible they would be better off. I'm not sure if they can hold free and fair elections. It may have been the US government from decades ago that put Egypt in a mess (although I'd have thought you'd have been happy with a stable, religious government), but I would hope that the leaders they appoint today would be more democratic, and do more to protect freedoms. It would be better for their public image, undoubtedly.

Islamism is not an economic structure. It's like asking someone if they're a Socialist and them saying 'No, I'm a Catholic', utter bollocks you're talking.

It's not the US's job to police the world. The Egyptians didn't ask for the US's help. They have no business getting in the affairs of others without permission. And I don't know why you are unsure about free and fair elections. They already happened and are happening again. There is nothing to be unsure about.

Again, this shows how little you know. There is a difference between Islam and Islamic political parties/structures. In your example, you are comparing a political structure to a religion. If there was a political system based on Catholicism and a supporter of such a political party was called a Catholic, then the answer you provided would make sense.

There are political parties out there that base their thinking on Islam. Since Islam covers a lot of areas, this also covers the area of financing and banking. Like I said before, there are such things as Islamic financing and Islamic banks out there. The only utter bollocks that is being written, is the words that are posted under your username.

They might need their help, even if they don't ask for it because they are too arrogant. If you knew about International Relations, you would know about hubris.

There are Christian political parties, there is a Catholic State which has the Pope as its head of State. I'm sure not all Muslims support this vaguely Islamic political system.

This 'Islamic political system', I'm sure it's all based on broad interpretations of texts isn't it? I'm sure a lot of people want to claim that ground, to claim their theory is the Islamic one.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He ran off screaming homophobic slurs, but again, as someone who uses racist slurs, you probably don't have a problem with it.

He called him a queer because he was gay.

Queer isn't really a slur. Would you consider "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" an offensive title for a TV program? Surely, that must be even worse (according to your previous statements) than a program titled "Nigga Eye for the White Guy".

It is a slur though. And I don't find it offensive, the same as I don't find the song below offensive, nor would I find 'Nigga Eye for the White Guy' offensive. There was a film not so long ago called 'White Men Can't Jump', I didn't find that offensive either, because it wasn't used in an abusive context, unlike Ronald Paul's comments.

If a gay guy took off his pants and came on to you like that, I would bet you would do the same thing, if not worse. Why don't you ask the forum how they would react to gay guy pulling down his pants and coming on to you? I also don't see why you keep on saying I use racial slurs.

I would leave, but I wouldn't use homophobic slurs. The same way if a black man robbed me, I would not call him a ice cream.

I keep on saying you use racial slurs because it's true. Do you deny it?

Are you usually dishonest or just ignorant? If you are ignorant, I will happily try my hardest to continue to educate you about several topics that you seem to be lacking in. If you are just being dishonest, then I'm afraid I can't help you. I can't have a serious discussion with someone who intentionally lies about facts and takes controversial positions for the enjoyment of trolling.

What have I lied about?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:They might need their help, even if they don't ask for it because they are too arrogant. If you knew about International Relations, you would know about hubris.

There are Christian political parties, there is a Catholic State which has the Pope as its head of State. I'm sure not all Muslims support this vaguely Islamic political system.

This 'Islamic political system', I'm sure it's all based on broad interpretations of texts isn't it? I'm sure a lot of people want to claim that ground, to claim their theory is the Islamic one.

Even if they were arrogant, it's not the US's job to police the world. They especially have a good reason to not take advice from a country like the USA that supported dictators and terrorism even while the revolution was going on. The current rulers of Egypt (the very ones that the USA continues to suport with billions of dollars a year) are killing people, torturing them, raping women, beating women, jailing people for criticizing the army, etc.

There are many different types of Islamic political parties, not one. Each has its own name. There isn't a right or wrong one or one that God favors. Some Muslims don't believe that any political system should be based on a religion. That doesn't make them less of a Muslim in God's eye.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I would leave, but I wouldn't use homophobic slurs.

I keep on saying you use racial slurs because it's true. Do you deny it?

I highly doubt that. Either way, explaining to someone that you are leaving because a queer was hitting on you is not offensive or a slur.

I do deny it. I don't use racial slurs to be offensive.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:What have I lied about?

OK. So you are just being ignorant. In that case, I will try to educate you as much as possible.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:They might need their help, even if they don't ask for it because they are too arrogant. If you knew about International Relations, you would know about hubris.

There are Christian political parties, there is a Catholic State which has the Pope as its head of State. I'm sure not all Muslims support this vaguely Islamic political system.

This 'Islamic political system', I'm sure it's all based on broad interpretations of texts isn't it? I'm sure a lot of people want to claim that ground, to claim their theory is the Islamic one.

Even if they were arrogant, it's not the US's job to police the world. They especially have a good reason to not take advice from a country like the USA that supported dictators and terrorism even while the revolution was going on. The current rulers of Egypt (the very ones that the USA continues to suport with billions of dollars a year) are killing people, torturing them, raping women, beating women, jailing people for criticizing the army, etc.

There are many different types of Islamic political parties, not one. Each has its own name. There isn't a right or wrong one or one that God favors. Some Muslims don't believe that any political system should be based on a religion. That doesn't make them less of a Muslim in God's eye.

They should take advice from a country which is much better than them. Maybe the current rulers of Egypt are the wrong ones and they should listen to the US.

That's what I'm saying, it's an extremely broad umbrella, like how there are about 500 democratic parties from all across the political spectrum, the Republican party supports democracy and the Democrat party supports the idea of a Republic and so on. It's not a real system, it's just something people cling to. Unlike Capitalism or Communism which do have genuine principles.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I would leave, but I wouldn't use homophobic slurs.

I keep on saying you use racial slurs because it's true. Do you deny it?

I highly doubt that. Either way, explaining to someone that you are leaving because a queer was hitting on you is not offensive or a slur.

I do deny it. I don't use racial slurs to be offensive.

I would refer to him as a gay man or as a homosexual.

If I prove to you that you did use a racial slur, referring to the group of people as being 'Dirty', will you resign as moderator? And for real this time, rather than just trolling.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:What have I lied about?

OK. So you are just being ignorant. In that case, I will try to educate you as much as possible.

Tell me what I have lied about.

I have always been under the impression that you feel you know something I don't, and likewise, this is all about educating each other through fair and open debate. I must admit, you're not very good at it, maybe because you see it as a points scoring exercise between "trolls" and moderators rather than an honest exchange of ideas.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Maybe the current rulers of Egypt are the wrong ones and they should listen to the US.

The current rulers are wrong, I agree. And maybe they should listen, but they don't HAVE to listen. If the Egyptian people don't want the US's help, so be it. The US can't force the people to choose leaders of the US's liking.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If I prove to you that you did use a racial slur, referring to the group of people as being 'Dirty', will you resign as moderator? And for real this time, rather than just trolling.

I have never used a racial slur to be offensive. If I ever did, it was probably a joke. But go ahead and show me the example you are referring to.

And no, I won't leave my post. Although I did want to when I first announced my resignation, Mal wanted me to stay.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Tell me what I have lied about.

I have always been under the impression that you feel you know something I don't, and likewise, this is all about educating each other through fair and open debate. I must admit, you're not very good at it, maybe because you see it as a points scoring exercise between "trolls" and moderators rather than an honest exchange of ideas.

I didn't say you are lying. I said you are either lying or just ignorant about some things. Since you said you weren't lying, you are just being ignorant in some things. We are just humans. Not everyone is knowledgeable in every subject. It's just foolish to act like one is.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Maybe the current rulers of Egypt are the wrong ones and they should listen to the US.

The current rulers are wrong, I agree. And maybe they should listen, but they don't HAVE to listen. If the Egyptian people don't want the US's help, so be it. The US can't force the people to choose leaders of the US's liking.

The US could if it wanted to, you can argue that it shouldn't, but I think it is better to have the right leaders for the wrong reasons than the wrong leader because some Egyptians, who have a long history of choosing poor leaders, want some crappy leader.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If I prove to you that you did use a racial slur, referring to the group of people as being 'Dirty', will you resign as moderator? And for real this time, rather than just trolling.

I have never used a racial slur to be offensive. If I ever did, it was probably a joke. But go ahead and show me the example you are referring to.

And no, I won't leave my post. Although I did want to when I first announced my resignation, Mal wanted me to stay.

Like fuck it was a joke. Do you think that it's acceptable for someone who uses disgusting slurs to be a moderator? You tell us honestly.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Tell me what I have lied about.

I have always been under the impression that you feel you know something I don't, and likewise, this is all about educating each other through fair and open debate. I must admit, you're not very good at it, maybe because you see it as a points scoring exercise between "trolls" and moderators rather than an honest exchange of ideas.

I didn't say you are lying. I said you are either lying or just ignorant about some things. Since you said you weren't lying, you are just being ignorant in some things. We are just humans. Not everyone is knowledgeable in every subject. It's just foolish to act like one is.

Yeah, or you're ignorant, and I'm spot on. You should probably consider that.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Like fuck it was a joke. Do you think that it's acceptable for someone who uses disgusting slurs to be a moderator? You tell us honestly.

No and I don't use disgusting slurs to offend people. So is this what all this is about? It all makes sense now. Are you mad because I'm a moderator and you aren't? If want to be childish like that, I'll go ahead and resign if it makes you happy. The moderator position doesn't mean anything to me. I just find it sad that after all that those months, you are still sad about a little vote on a forum.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yeah, or you're ignorant, and I'm spot on. You should probably consider that.

Considering I'm Muslim and Egyptian, I doubt it. You tried to argue that there were no Islamic economic systems. You were obviously ignorant about that matter.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Like fuck it was a joke. Do you think that it's acceptable for someone who uses disgusting slurs to be a moderator? You tell us honestly.

No and I don't use disgusting slurs to offend people. So is this what all this is about? It all makes sense now. Are you mad because I'm a moderator and you aren't? If want to be childish like that, I'll go ahead and resign if it makes you happy. The moderator position doesn't mean anything to me. I just find it sad that after all that those months, you are still sad about a little vote on a forum.

Yes, resign, it will make me happy.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yeah, or you're ignorant, and I'm spot on. You should probably consider that.

Considering I'm Muslim and Egyptian, I doubt it. You tried to argue that there were no Islamic economic systems. You were obviously ignorant about that matter.

I didn't try to argue that, I argued that Islamism itself does not constitute an economic system, certainly not one that is comparable to Capitalism.

OK I have resigned. It's not to make you happy though, because I could give a shit about what makes you happy. I just don't want someone to be jealous of me over a silly position on a forum.

Sounds like everyone's happy then. And thanks for saying you care about me being happy, I couldn't give a shit about your happiness though.

Anyone got a recap of recent debates? Videos? Highlights? Anything?

El_indian wrote:Anyone got a recap of recent debates? Videos? Highlights? Anything?

You can watch the entire debates on this site. Just scroll down to the past debates...

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/

thank you, great link.

Trump is a moderator in a upcoming debate

should be entertaining though

El_indian wrote:thank you, great link.

Trump is a moderator in a upcoming debate

should be entertaining though

It's cancelled.

Letterman > Leno.

your opinion?

El_indian wrote:Letterman > Leno.

your opinion?

I don't watch either, so I don't know.

the only thing I disagree with Paul on:



bitch prob deserved it

but he gains my respect again for laughing about it

El_indian wrote:the only thing I disagree with Paul on:



bitch prob deserved it

but he gains my respect again for laughing about it

I don't get it.

I heard Newt Gingrich couldn't get enough signatures to enter the ballot in Virginia.

So did Rick Perry.

How does Ron Paul differ from Democrats?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:How does Ron Paul differ from Democrats?

Very greatly. He is against government involvement in pretty much everything.

A supporter of classical liberalism then?