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    Post by mac Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:21 pm

    I understand most of the UK guys here don't give a shit about the upcoming 2012 US Presidential election but wanted to make this thread regardless. Also, for the UK guys that are interested. The Democrats and Republicans are somewhat similar to the Labour and Conservative parties in the UK. Although, I tend to think the Democrats as being less leftist than the Labour Party and the Republicans being more right than the Conservative party.

    Also, here is an analysis of one of the recent GOP debates.

    http://gopprimary2012.com/cnn-debate-analysis-the-republican-field-is-strong/


    Here are the primary candidates. Discuss. I'm sure Mustang will give his opinion. Razz


    Michele Bachmann

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    Herman Cain

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    Newt Gingrich

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    Jon Huntsman Jr.

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    Gary Johnson

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    Ron Paul

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    Tim Pawlenty

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    Rick Perry

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    Mitt Romney

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    Rick Santorum

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    Post by Mustangt125 Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:49 pm

    Haha, thanks for the shout out man.

    Any of them in a coma would be a better President than Obama.
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    Post by GK01 Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:01 pm

    Vote Rick Parry with a A not worthy
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    Post by menalawyerguy Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:02 pm

    Ron Paul is the only one who doesn't have his head entirely up his ass.
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    Post by mac Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:04 pm

    menalawyerguy wrote:Ron Paul is the only one who doesn't have his head entirely up his ass.

    I don't really follow Republican politics that much but apparently Ron Paul is a friend of Don Black, if you know who that nutcase is.

    If I had to choose one of these candidates though, I'd probably consider Perry or Romney.
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    Post by Bye_Ya Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:06 pm

    To hell with American political candidates. I guess I'll vote "other".
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    Post by menalawyerguy Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:13 pm

    mac wrote:
    menalawyerguy wrote:Ron Paul is the only one who doesn't have his head entirely up his ass.

    I don't really follow Republican politics that much but apparently Ron Paul is a friend of Don Black, if you know who that nutcase is.


    Big deal. Barry Obama is a friend of Bill Ayers. He still got elected.



    Paul attracts a lot of nutjobs because he openly criticizes the Federal Reserve. The Fed is a favourite of the conspiracy theorists and other types of nutjobs, but Paul himself is not a conspiracy theorist. He also advocates strict enforcement of our immigration laws, which is probably why he attracts white supremacists like Don Black. Paul will never get elected because the media will incorrectly align Paul with conspiracy theorists and racists if he ever gets any real momentum. Then again, the media's reflex is to align any Republican with racists, so that's status quo. Substantively speaking though, Paul is correct on most issues.
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    Post by mac Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:02 pm

    menalawyerguy wrote:

    Big deal. Barry Obama is a friend of Bill Ayers. He still got elected.



    Paul attracts a lot of nutjobs because he openly criticizes the Federal Reserve. The Fed is a favourite of the conspiracy theorists and other types of nutjobs, but Paul himself is not a conspiracy theorist. He also advocates strict enforcement of our immigration laws, which is probably why he attracts white supremacists like Don Black. Paul will never get elected because the media will incorrectly align Paul with conspiracy theorists and racists if he ever gets any real momentum. Then again, the media's reflex is to align any Republican with racists, so that's status quo. Substantively speaking though, Paul is correct on most issues.

    I was just mentioning it. That's not the primary reason I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul. I don't agree with some of his other positions other than immigration to an extent. I'm a leftist but not a big fan of illegal immigration or even immigration amnesty. Despite leaning toward socialist views, especially in terms of healthcare, I rather there be some type of seasonal visa program for migrant workers who come here to pick fruits, etc than full blown immigration amnesty for them and other illegals which I feel is a big "fuck you" to all legal immigrants.


    Also, I'm not sure why Don Black and Paul are friends but frankly I'm sure it's not simply because of his views on immigration. There are plenty of Republican candidates preaching stricter border regulation and even building a fence, etc. I think what attracts him and other nut jobs to Ron Paul is how he tries to separate himself from Neoconservative Republicans and is against US military involvement overseas and doesn't want us getting involved in a war with Iran. This line of thinking suits Don Black and others who share similar views to him on how the US is simply serving Israel's interests by going to war with more Islamic countries.


    Anyways, this will be my first time voting in the presidential elections so I'll give it some thought before simply just voting for Obama and the Democrats.


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    Post by El_indian Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:04 pm

    Mustangt125 wrote:Haha, thanks for the shout out man.

    Any of them in a coma would be a better President than Obama.

    nah Obama is a BOSS
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    Post by mac Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:06 pm

    Also, I thought I might add that I don't think McCain would of done much better if he was in Obama's position.


    Mustang, what do you think of Bachmann? Personally, I think she is nearly as bad as Palin and would never get chosen as the Republican nominee.
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    Post by SBSP Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:24 pm

    Can't vote, but wouldn't vote for any of them. Bachmann. rofl
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    Post by Pippo Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:32 pm

    Pawlenty would be better than all of those. Too bad he dropped out Sad
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:33 pm

    I hope Rick Perry wins the nomination, because he says he doesn't believe in evolution, and there's no way 260m Americans can be stupid enough to let this guy someone that stupid get the Presidency.

    There is nothing unusual about Governor Rick Perry. Uneducated fools can be found in every country and every period of history, and they are not unknown in high office. What is unusual about today's Republican party (I disavow the ridiculous ‘GOP' nickname, because the party of Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has lately forfeited all claim to be considered ‘grand') is this: In any other party and in any other country, an individual may occasionally rise to the top in spite of being an uneducated ignoramus. In today's Republican Party ‘in spite of' is not the phrase we need. Ignorance and lack of education are positive qualifications, bordering on obligatory. Intellect, knowledge and linguistic mastery are mistrusted by Republican voters, who, when choosing a president, would apparently prefer someone like themselves over someone actually qualified for the job.

    ...The population of the United States is more than 300 million and it includes some of the best and brightest that the human species has to offer, probably more so than any other country in the world. There is surely something wrong with a system for choosing a leader when, given a pool of such talent and a process that occupies more than a year and consumes billions of dollars, what rises to the top of the heap is George W Bush. Or when the likes of Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin can be mentioned as even remote possibilities.

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    ...a politician's attitude to evolution, however peripheral it might seem, is a surprisingly apposite litmus test of more general inadequacy. This is because unlike, say, string theory where scientific opinion is genuinely divided, there is about the fact of evolution no doubt at all. Evolution is a fact, as securely established as any in science, and he who denies it betrays woeful ignorance and lack of education, which likely extends to other fields as well. Evolution is not some recondite backwater of science, ignorance of which would be pardonable. It is the stunningly simple but elegant explanation of our very existence and the existence of every living creature on the planet. Thanks to Darwin, we now understand why we are here and why we are the way we are. You cannot be ignorant of evolution and be a cultivated and adequate citizen of today.

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    Post by dena Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:33 pm

    Mustangt125 wrote:Haha, thanks for the shout out man.

    Any of them in a coma would be a better President than Obama.

    HA.

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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:09 am

    That Bachmann and the cervical cancer vaccine mess was funny as hell. I don't really follow politics but Paul looks to be the best out of the bunch for the Republicans.
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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:27 am

    They all suck except Ron Paul. Americans are too stupid to vote for Ron Paul though. Rick Perry is probably the worst one though.
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    Post by menalawyerguy Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:30 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:I hope Rick Perry wins the nomination, because he says he doesn't believe in evolution, and there's no way 260m Americans can be stupid enough to let this guy someone that stupid get the Presidency.

    There is nothing unusual about Governor Rick Perry. Uneducated fools can be found in every country and every period of history, and they are not unknown in high office. What is unusual about today's Republican party (I disavow the ridiculous ‘GOP' nickname, because the party of Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has lately forfeited all claim to be considered ‘grand') is this: In any other party and in any other country, an individual may occasionally rise to the top in spite of being an uneducated ignoramus. In today's Republican Party ‘in spite of' is not the phrase we need. Ignorance and lack of education are positive qualifications, bordering on obligatory. Intellect, knowledge and linguistic mastery are mistrusted by Republican voters, who, when choosing a president, would apparently prefer someone like themselves over someone actually qualified for the job.

    ...The population of the United States is more than 300 million and it includes some of the best and brightest that the human species has to offer, probably more so than any other country in the world. There is surely something wrong with a system for choosing a leader when, given a pool of such talent and a process that occupies more than a year and consumes billions of dollars, what rises to the top of the heap is George W Bush. Or when the likes of Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin can be mentioned as even remote possibilities.

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    ...a politician's attitude to evolution, however peripheral it might seem, is a surprisingly apposite litmus test of more general inadequacy. This is because unlike, say, string theory where scientific opinion is genuinely divided, there is about the fact of evolution no doubt at all. Evolution is a fact, as securely established as any in science, and he who denies it betrays woeful ignorance and lack of education, which likely extends to other fields as well. Evolution is not some recondite backwater of science, ignorance of which would be pardonable. It is the stunningly simple but elegant explanation of our very existence and the existence of every living creature on the planet. Thanks to Darwin, we now understand why we are here and why we are the way we are. You cannot be ignorant of evolution and be a cultivated and adequate citizen of today.

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    You should at least post what the guy actually said, not just what Richard Dawkins said about him. He said that evolution is a "theory that has some gaps in it." And he's right about that. Even prominent palaeontologists agree that the theory as it relates to origin of life on Earth is riddled with holes. The fossil record's total lack of transitional species being the most noteworthy of those holes. Evolution may in fact be true and for my money, it's the most logical theory anybody has come up with. But calling it all fact is wrong. Certain parts of evolution are well supported: natural selection; survival of the fittest; the idea that living organisms adapt to their environments and develop traits that promote survival over time. But the idea that we can be traced back to a single cell organism from 4 billion years ago is based, at the moment, on faith.
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    Post by Roloman4 Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:33 am

    ahlycotc wrote:They all suck except Ron Paul. Americans are too stupid to vote for Ron Paul though. Rick Perry is probably the worst one though.

    Yeah, Americans are so stupid.

    I prefer Jon Huntsman Jr.
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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:57 am

    Was "Gay Johnson" in the poll intentional? shifty
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    Post by Guest Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:58 pm

    Watch the Republican debate: https://www.youtube.com/foxnews
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:31 pm

    I didn't think I could vote for a Republican candidate over Obama, but I might very well vote for Ron Paul in the elections. I just hope he gets nominated as the Republican candidate. I think he has the best shot out of previous attempts.
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    Post by SBSP Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:33 pm

    I wonder if it would be a good thing if Bachmann or Palin get nominated, as the country shouldn't be that stupid to actually elect them. think

    Then again... Neutral
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:34 pm

    SBSP wrote:I wonder if it would be a good thing if Bachmann or Palin get nominated, as the country shouldn't be that stupid to actually elect them. think

    Then again... Neutral

    We can do better than Obama though. We don't have to settle for Obama.
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    Post by mac Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:46 pm

    RobbieSavageIsA... wrote:Was "Gay Johnson" in the poll intentional? Republican Nominees 279869



    No it wasn't. Razz
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    Post by dena Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:50 pm

    ahlycotc wrote:
    SBSP wrote:I wonder if it would be a good thing if Bachmann or Palin get nominated, as the country shouldn't be that stupid to actually elect them. think

    Then again... Neutral

    We can do better than Obama though. We don't have to settle for Obama.

    Who can do better?
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    Post by RafaVDV Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:50 pm

    Are any of them really better than Obama though? The guy's not had the greatest period to deal with and changing every few years isn't exactly going to help is it. Change can often be needed but in this case i'd vote to stick in favour of Obama and give him his 2nd term.


    However, voted for Gay Johnson as I found the typo quite funny Embarassed
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    Post by Kelloggg8 Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:17 pm

    Mustangt125 wrote:Haha, thanks for the shout out man.

    Any of them in a coma would be a better President than Obama.

    He's a pretty good president.
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:14 pm

    dena wrote:
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    We can do better than Obama though. We don't have to settle for Obama.

    Who can do better?

    Ron Paul. Other than that, no other Republican can do better. I think Obama is a great guy, but he is too soft to be President.
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    Post by SBSP Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:11 pm

    ahlycotc wrote:
    SBSP wrote:I wonder if it would be a good thing if Bachmann or Palin get nominated, as the country shouldn't be that stupid to actually elect them. think

    Then again... Neutral

    We can do better than Obama though. We don't have to settle for Obama.
    Looking at the candidates, no we can't.
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    Post by Demoz Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:11 pm

    Republicans? the war won't end with those clowns in office.

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