Palestine UN Bid

The world was much better when everyone was at war with each other, peace negotiations suck.

ahlycotc wrote:@Polska and RR, the way I see it is Europe wanted to get the Jews out of Europe and not have to deal with them again. They didn't give a toss if they were not wanted in the Middle East, they just wanted them to be someone else's problem. If more care was given to the situation in the beginning, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Do you accept that your solution was completely fucking retarded and absurd, even by your wacky standards?

Anyway, regarding anti-semitism, it is possible that the Europeans were more anti-Semitic than the Arabs, or vice versa, it doesn't matter, wherever they went there was going to be anti-Semitic sentiment drummed up, and if it already existed, it was going to be increased.

There are some big differences between them being in Europe on Germany's land, and in the Middle East on UK land

A) The UK doesn't want the land any more, whereas Germany does
B) There will be very little anti-semitism in the UK as a result of the Jews taking over UK land, whereas there would be a vast amount in Germany if they took over continental Germany land

And most importantly

C) If anti-semitism was drummed up, and the people of whatever country was effected by it were to attack Israel because they hate the Jews, if it had been in Germany, they might have finished what they started. With it being in the Middle East, the countries around Israel are not capable of destroying it. If the Jews were going to fuck someone off it was far better than they fucked off small Arab countries than a country like Germany, or worse, the USSR.

He never said it was his solution to the problem.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:@Polska and RR, the way I see it is Europe wanted to get the Jews out of Europe and not have to deal with them again. They didn't give a toss if they were not wanted in the Middle East, they just wanted them to be someone else's problem. If more care was given to the situation in the beginning, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Do you accept that your solution was completely fucking retarded and absurd, even by your wacky standards?

Not really. Germany had just suffered from a major war. Their army was defeated. They couldn't have done the same thing again shortly after. Plus, I don't think anyone can do another holocaust. The whole world would turn against them (the people trying to exterminate the Jews). Why do you think Israel won all those wars against the Arabs? It wasn't because the Arabs were necessarily weak. It was because they had the backing of the US, UK, and France among others.

The question isn't really who would hate the Jews more or who has the capability to exterminate them. It's who owes the Jews? There is only one answer to that, Germany and Europe on a broader view.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Do you accept that your solution was completely fucking retarded and absurd, even by your wacky standards?

Not really. Germany had just suffered from a major war. Their army was defeated. They couldn't have done the same thing again shortly after. Plus, I don't think anyone can do another holocaust. The whole world would turn against them (the people trying to exterminate the Jews). Why do you think Israel won all those wars against the Arabs? It wasn't because the Arabs were necessarily weak. It was because they had the backing of the US, UK, and France among others.

The question isn't really who would hate the Jews more or who has the capability to exterminate them. It's who owes the Jews? There is only one answer to that, Germany and Europe on a broader view.

Yeah, and a European Nation (The United Kingdom) gave the Jews some land. Problem?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Not really. Germany had just suffered from a major war. Their army was defeated. They couldn't have done the same thing again shortly after. Plus, I don't think anyone can do another holocaust. The whole world would turn against them (the people trying to exterminate the Jews). Why do you think Israel won all those wars against the Arabs? It wasn't because the Arabs were necessarily weak. It was because they had the backing of the US, UK, and France among others.

The question isn't really who would hate the Jews more or who has the capability to exterminate them. It's who owes the Jews? There is only one answer to that, Germany and Europe on a broader view.

Yeah, and a European Nation (The United Kingdom) gave the Jews some land. Problem?

It wasn't really their land though.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yeah, and a European Nation (The United Kingdom) gave the Jews some land. Problem?

It wasn't really their land though.

Why not? The way I see it, pretty much everyone who has lived on that land has won it by conquest, the only state who didn't is the United Kingdom, and if they want to abandon it, and the Jews want to claim it, I don't see a problem with that - their claim is as good as anyone else's.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yeah, and a European Nation (The United Kingdom) gave the Jews some land. Problem?

It wasn't really their land though.

Yes it was.

If it isn't, then you should sell your house back to the native americans as going by the same lines, it isn't your land either.

polska. wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

It wasn't really their land though.

Yes it was.

If it isn't, then you should sell your house back to the native americans as going by the same lines, it isn't your land either.

I agree. I think the way the Europeans came and claimed North America from the Native Americans is disgusting.

ahlycotc wrote:

polska. wrote:Yes it was.

If it isn't, then you should sell your house back to the native americans as going by the same lines, it isn't your land either.

I agree. I think the way the Europeans came and claimed North America from the Native Americans is disgusting.

That was a stupid analogy not to be taken seriously.

Europeans didn't really claimed it from Native Americans. They kind of settled into empty desolate land. All the native americans were already killed by diseases by the time the Europeans really started expanding from their initial coastal settlements.

polska. wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

I agree. I think the way the Europeans came and claimed North America from the Native Americans is disgusting.

That was a stupid analogy not to be taken seriously.

Europeans didn't really claimed it from Native Americans. They kind of settled into empty desolate land. All the native americans were already killed by diseases by the time the Europeans really started expanding from their initial coastal settlements.

It was a genocide, there is no hiding from it. The Native American population is too small now to claim back their lands. The US history is just like Israel. The Europeans claimed the US as their Manifest Destiny just like the Israeli's call it their "promised land".

Not really a genocide what had happened. Initially anyway. As I said, 95% of the population was already killed off before Europeans even really started regularly communicating with them.

But the point of that analogy was to bridge similarities between Israel and USA and the reason why removing Israel now is idiotic.

polska. wrote:Not really a genocide what had happened. Initially anyway. As I said, 95% of the population was already killed off before Europeans even really started regularly communicating with them.

But the point of that analogy was to bridge similarities between Israel and USA and the reason why removing Israel now is idiotic.

I never said we should move Israel now. I do however, think there should have been a better solution before all this trouble started.

Yes, the reasonable solution would've been a two-nation state in the levant. Not some Jewish country in German Pommerania or something.

But why bother discussing it? Israel is here today.