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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:03 am

    New York (CNN) -- The United Nations General Assembly on Thursday endorsed an upgraded U.N. status for the Palestinian Authority, despite intense opposition from the United States and Israel.
    The resolution elevates their status from "non-member observer entity" to "non-member observer state," the same category as the Vatican, which Palestinians hope will provide new leverage in their dealings with Israel.
    Its leaders had been working with dozens of supporting nations to develop a formal draft, enlisting the backing of European countries such as France and Spain.
    The vote was 138 delegates in favor of the measure, nine against and 41 abstentions, including Germany.
    Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said the move, which many call symbolic, represents a "last chance to save the two-state solution."
    It comes on the heels of an eight-day conflict that raged between Israel and Hamas fighters, where a series of airstrikes and rocket launches drew international attention and threatened regional stability.
    "We did not come here seeking to delegitimize a state established years ago, and that is Israel; rather we came to affirm the legitimacy of the state that must now achieve its independence, and that is Palestine," he said.
    But Israel's U.N. ambassador Ron Prosor said the move largely ignores the specifics of longstanding issues, such as settlements in disputed lands, and cannot substitute for direct negotiations between Jerusalem and Ramallah.
    This resolution "doesn't pursue peace," Prosor said, criticizing Abbas for being unable to represent the Gaza Strip, where a Hamas-controlled government presides.
    "It pushes it backwards," he said.
    The effort stalled last year when it became apparent that the bid could not get the necessary support in the Security Council. Observer state status does not require Security Council approval, unlike full membership recognition.
    The observer status resolution needs only a majority of the U.N.'s 193 members to approve.
    The United States and Israel have remained steadfast in their opposition, saying the move will not advance the cause of Middle East peace.
    U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice said American leaders could not support a measure that circumvents direct talks and cautioned that Thursday's decision did "not establish Palestine as a state."
    Rice urged both sides to the resume direct negotiations without preconditions.
    "Israel is prepared to live in peace with the Palestinian state," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Thursday. "But for peace to endure, Israel's security must be protected, the Palestinians must recognize the Jewish state and they must be prepared to end the conflict with Israel once and for all."
    Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev called the resolution "political theater."
    But Palestinian leaders have said they had the right to go to the U.N. because Israel failed to comply with agreements signed more than two decades ago.
    "It's about a contract. Our contract is that in five years, we should have concluded the treaty of peace and all core issues. This did not happen, and we're talking about 20 years later. And going to the U.N. is not a unilateral step," Palestinian Authority chief negotiator Saeb Erakat said in September.
    The last round of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority was in 2010.
    Erakat said the new status would eliminate Israeli justifications for building settlements in the disputed areas of East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
    But Israeli officials disagreed.
    "No decision by the U.N. can break the 4,000-year-old bond between the people of Israel and the land of Israel," Netanyahu said.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/29/world/meast/palestinian-united-nations/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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    Post by Grenade Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:06 am

    Who were the 9 who voted against it?
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    Post by SBSP Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:14 am

    "The United States and Israel voted against recognition, joined by Canada, the Czech Republic, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Panama."

    Basically two countries you'd expect and five nothing countries.


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    Post by dena Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:15 am

    OK so now what.
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:16 am

    US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia.

    Germany decided to abstain from the vote instead of vote "no" like they were planning.
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:17 am

    dena wrote:OK so now what.

    It's more symbolic than anything. Just a step in the right direction and gives Palestine more legitimacy in negotiations.
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    Post by SBSP Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:18 am

    dena wrote:OK so now what.
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    Post by dena Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:19 am

    ahlycotc wrote:
    dena wrote:OK so now what.

    It's more symbolic than anything. Just a step in the right direction and gives Palestine more legitimacy in negotiations.

    So it's something, but really nothing shifty
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:25 am

    dena wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:

    It's more symbolic than anything. Just a step in the right direction and gives Palestine more legitimacy in negotiations.

    So it's something, but really nothing shifty

    Well it's something, just not as good as being a full member state. It's the same status as the Vatican.
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    Post by Childish Logic Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:21 pm

    They have the right to take Israel to international court I think
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    Post by Childish Logic Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:31 pm

    People expect America to stop funding UN in response.

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    Post by Jorlung Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:38 pm

    SBSP wrote:"The United States and Israel voted against recognition, joined by Canada, the Czech Republic, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Panama."

    Basically two countries you'd expect and five nothing countries.
    US probably made us vote no Laughing. Either that or we voted no to go along with them.

    It's funny how the US have more influence on us than our higher authority the UK.
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    Post by Childish Logic Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:58 pm

    Your government had to vote no regardless of America, the whole Quebec thing forces the government to do it.

    I think the worse is Britain abstaining from the vote.
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:00 pm

    Childish Logic wrote:People expect America to stop funding UN in response.


    They have to stop funding by law. They did earlier this year when UNESCO accepted Palestine.
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    Post by Childish Logic Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:11 pm

    ahlycotc wrote:
    Childish Logic wrote:People expect America to stop funding UN in response.


    They have to stop funding by law. They did earlier this year when UNESCO accepted Palestine.

    Neutral

    I don't understand what the law is?

    "vote against us, fuck you"
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    Post by limerickcitykid Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:01 pm

    I don't really know the situation. Is there anywhere that has a good summary of the whole thing between Israel and Palestine?
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:54 pm

    Childish Logic wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:

    They have to stop funding by law. They did earlier this year when UNESCO accepted Palestine.

    Neutral

    I don't understand what the law is?

    "vote against us, fuck you"

    22 USC 287e as amended by PL 101-246

    MEMBERSHIP OF THE PALESTINE LIBERATION ORGANIZATION IN UNITED NATIONS
    AGENCIES.

    (a) PROHIBITION- No funds authorized to be appropriated by this Act or any other Act shall be available for the United Nations or any specialized agency thereof which accords the Palestine Liberation Organization the same standing as member states.

    (b) TRANSFER OR REPROGRAMMING- Funds subject to the prohibition contained in subsection (a) which would be available for the United Nations or any specialized agency thereof (but for that prohibition) are authorized to remain available until expended and may be reprogrammed or transferred to any other account of the Department of State or the Agency for International Development to carry out the general purposes for which such funds were authorized.
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:57 pm

    limerickcitykid wrote:I don't really know the situation. Is there anywhere that has a good summary of the whole thing between Israel and Palestine?

    I doubt you want to read pages of history so here is a good synopsis...

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/

    That only talks about the conflict up to the year 2000.
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    Post by Kelloggg8 Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:58 am

    Jorlung wrote:
    SBSP wrote:"The United States and Israel voted against recognition, joined by Canada, the Czech Republic, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Panama."

    Basically two countries you'd expect and five nothing countries.
    US probably made us vote no Laughing. Either that or we voted no to go along with them.

    It's funny how the US have more influence on us than our higher authority the UK.

    Who cares about the US.

    The sooner those neo-cons are out of office the better. I especially hate that Baird guy. His mug screams "punch me". They aren't Canada.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:34 am

    Childish Logic wrote:Your government had to vote no regardless of America, the whole Quebec thing forces the government to do it.

    I think the worse is Britain abstaining from the vote.

    Not really, it was William Hague who's a conservative cunt and does nothing but piss people off

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