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    Scottish clubs free to introduce safe standing

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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:29 am


    SPL clubs free to introduce safe standing areas

    Clubs will now be able to ask the league's board for permission to pilot standing areas.

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    Rail seats are the option of choice for standing areas in Germany, with Hannover shown in the picture.

    Safe standing sections could be introduced in the Scottish Premier League, following the approval of a plan to allow top flight clubs to pilot the idea.

    Following a meeting of the 12 member clubs on Monday, a vote was passed to amend current rules stating all SPL grounds must be all-seater.

    The SPL board will now have the ability to approve any request made by a club to pilot a standing area, subject to further approval from the police and local authorities.

    Neil Doncaster, chief executive of the SPL, said: “Since I joined the SPL in 2009, there has been widespread support amongst fans to re-introduce safe standing areas.

    "I am delighted that we have been able to respond positively to supporters’ views on improving the match day experience.

    There is no jurisdiction under Scots law preventing standing areas returning, with only an amendment to the SPL's rules required.

    Top flight grounds in Scotland have been all-seater since 1994 and current regulations stipulate the need for all clubs to have a minimum capacity of 6,000 all-seated.
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    Post by ShakerMatty Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:37 am

    Fantastic news shame England will probably never introduce them. Sad
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:46 am

    Burytilidie wrote:Fantastic news shame England will never introduce them. Sad

    In England it would require a change in the law before it's considered.
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:53 am

    Nice to see. Hopfully England will follow.
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:01 am

    How safe standing would work in Scotland

    Scottish Premier League clubs have been given the green light to introduce safe standing sections at their stadiums.

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    Teams can now ask the SPL board to sanction a standing area at their ground, subject to further approval from the police and local authorities.

    But just how different would the new areas be compared to the terracing of yesteryear?


    Does this mean a return to old-style terracing?


    No. The league’s chief executive, Neil Doncaster, says a particular form of safe standing currently used by eight top flight teams in Germany, known as rail seats, will be the permitted form of new-style terracing.

    How do rail seats work?

    Rail seats replace the current plastic seating in stadiums, with each chair having a high back which serves as a rail. Each seat folds up and is locked, with clubs able to unlock each chair when an all-seater arena is required, for example in European matches.

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    Rail seats in standing mode at Hoffenheim using a two step system.

    How much does it cost?

    At present, one rail seat costs 100 euros (£84), compared to around £30 for each plastic seat currently used at grounds.

    One argument made in favour of rail seats is the long-term cost benefit. Current plastic seating is prone to damage and may need replaced over time, whereas rail seating is seen as more durable.

    Will it increase capacity?

    Although there is provision in some German grounds for two fans to stand for each rail seat, owing to there being two steps between each seat, the SPL’s chief executive says the pilot scheme will see one supporter occupy each rail seat space.

    Are rail seats already used?

    To comply with UEFA regulations in 2000, German clubs had to find an option to both satisfy the requirements of the governing body but also continue to meet their own supporters’ desire to stand at games.

    Hannover 96, Werder Bremen, Stuttgart, Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, Bayer Leverkusen and Hamburg all subsequently installed rail seats installed in their grounds.

    At Hoffenheim’s Rhein-Neckar-Arena, which opened in 2009, 9,150 places in the 30,150 capacity stadium are reserved for standing.

    “The Germans believe standing is the natural way to watch football,” Jon Darch of the Safe Standing Roadshow told STV.

    “Going forward, for a modern solution for appropriate accommodation for fans, rail seats are, in my mind, the only solution, certainly at least for clubs with aspirations to play in UEFA competitions.”

    Are they safe?

    Although argument rages over whether any form of standing can be completely safe as opposed to seating, those in favour of the technology insist there is no evidence to argue the use of rail seats is more dangerous or safer than seating.

    What if my team plays in European competition?

    To comply with UEFA guidelines on all-seater grounds in the Champions League and Europa League, each rail seat can be unlocked by stadium staff prior to games to create a folding chair, removing the standing section without affecting the overall capacity.

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    Seats fold down for games where an all-seater stadium is required.

    Can they be installed in every stadium?

    Cost aside, the installation of rail seats largely depends on the gradient of the stand in which they are being installed. In German grounds, some clubs use two step rail seats on lower tiers but, due to a steeper gradient, upper tiers are normally resticted to one occupant.

    Are there any clubs interested?

    Celtic themselves have viewed the option, having been visited by the Safe Standing Roadshow as part of the club’s own feasibility study.

    Are there Scottish clubs opposed to the plans?

    St Mirren chairman Stewart Gilmour doesn't believe his own team's ground, opened in 2009, is built for safe standing. "Our ground is specifically designed for seating and the actual heights of the councourses are for seats," he told STV.

    "They are not for standing. If you stand they will catch you on the knees and it is dangerous."

    When might it be in operation?

    "Potentially we can receive applications from the word go so in theory it could start as early as next season," SPL chief executive Doncaster said.

    "But it's really up to the clubs. Our rules currently say that no safe-standing is allowed in SPL stadia, so that is at least one hurdle removed.

    "There are several stadia where it just can't be done because of the architecture of the stadium but where clubs can look at and wish to do it, this is a step forward."

    Would the SPL’s promotion criteria over capacity change?

    No. Every member club of the SPL would still require to have 6,000 seats to participate in the competition. The introduction of a safe standing section would be in addition to the capacity.
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:04 am

    Celtic and Rangers will have an even better atmosphere at their games with this implemented.
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:46 am

    A demonstration event took place today at Celtic Park regarding a proposed safe standing area. It is important to point out up front that the solution suggested below is NOT a return to open terracing

    It was held by the club and supporters groups as well as safety groups were invited. The company presenting a solution to safe standing areas was Ferco Seating Systems in conjunction with Safe Standing Roadshow.

    They presented their Rail Seats solution – a robust metal seat with high back and a rail to back of seat to create a strong rail along the row.

    Rail seats are currently widely used in Germany and the photographs displayed of the rail seats are those used by Stuttgart.

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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:47 am

    The standing section at Celtic Park will be where the Green Brigade already are.
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:02 am

    Blood there will be.

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    Post by Weather130 Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:21 pm

    Do the lower division Scottish teams have safe standing sections? As stupid as it may seem they should try it out for Queen's Park at Hampton. It would be great to have the chance to test standing at a massive stadium without having to worry about any serious problems as result of having a standing section.
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:01 pm

    Weather130 wrote:Do the lower division Scottish teams have safe standing sections? As stupid as it may seem they should try it out for Queen's Park at Hampton. It would be great to have the chance to test standing at a massive stadium without having to worry about any serious problems as result of having a standing section.

    As far as I am aware, some of the lower league teams i.e. 3rd division and possible 2nd division, have terracing still because they only attract crowds of a few thousand.

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