Wingers = strikers?

AriseForLife wrote:He isn't wrong though. Wingers are forward. Michel's total football defined wingers as forwards and vice versa.

Strikers, are forwards, wingers are forwards. Strikers and wingers are separate positions in the same area of the pitch.

Did I miss something? Did he say that wingers are strikers? That bolded statement doesn't say anything about wingers being strikers.

SBSP wrote:Where did Jela make this comment?

Chat thread, look back in it, he was being a right cunt, as per.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

A winger is an attacking player who is stationed in a wide position near the touchlines. They can be classified as forwards.

It's obvious to see who bases their football knowledge off FIFA.

Shutup, you take FM roles as your football knowledge

Difference being FM = Real Roles deployed IRL
FIFA = Not so much.

@Arise, I know, but he posted that for the wrong reasons.

And not all Wingers are forwards anyway. Many are less attacking than many Midfielders.

http://www.the-playmaker.com/t6523p390-chat-thread

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polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

A winger is an attacking player who is stationed in a wide position near the touchlines. They can be classified as forwards.

It's obvious to see who bases their football knowledge off FIFA.

Shutup, you take FM roles as your football knowledge

Difference being FM = Real Roles deployed IRL
FIFA = Not so much.

@Arise, I know, but he posted that for the wrong reasons.

And not all Wingers are forwards anyway. Many are less attacking than many Midfielders.

I was joking anyway. I understand FM has a realistic background.

AriseForLife wrote:Did I miss something? Did he say that wingers are strikers? That bolded statement doesn't say anything about wingers being strikers.

The bolded statement is true but it means nothing in refernce to the topics original question.

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

Pilkz wrote:
Jela

A winger is an striker.

Messi barely even has a position, he swaps round with villa and pedro which gets the defenders confused. It's bad enough having a player weave in and out of defenders to get free but having players do that + swapping positions is a mindfuck. Whoever said it should have just left it as "Messi starts centrally"

luke. wrote:

AriseForLife wrote:He isn't wrong though. Wingers are forward. Michel's total football defined wingers as forwards and vice versa.

Strikers, are forwards, wingers are forwards. Strikers and wingers are separate positions in the same area of the pitch.

Not all strikers are forwards. Strikers and wingers aren't really in the same area of the pitch. Strikers are in and around the box, wingers and forwards are in the attacking end, but not in the box. They can come in the box, but they don't live in the box as a striker would.

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

A winger is an attacking player who is stationed in a wide position near the touchlines. They can be classified as forwards.

It's obvious to see who bases their football knowledge off FIFA.

It annoys me that fifa is trying to say that a centre forward is a second striker type player. When I grew up I was taught that a CF was basically a big target man. Unless CF on fifa doesn't actually stand for Centre Forward.

SBSP wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

Pilkz wrote:
Jela

A winger is an striker.

AriseForLife wrote:

luke. wrote:

AriseForLife wrote:He isn't wrong though. Wingers are forward. Michel's total football defined wingers as forwards and vice versa.

Strikers, are forwards, wingers are forwards. Strikers and wingers are separate positions in the same area of the pitch.

Not all strikers are forwards. Strikers and wingers aren't really in the same area of the pitch. Strikers are in and around the box, wingers and forwards are in the attacking end, but not in the box. They can come in the box, but they don't live in the box as a striker would.

Please, do not bring up this load of poo up again. How can a striker not be a forward?

Zzonked wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

A winger is an attacking player who is stationed in a wide position near the touchlines. They can be classified as forwards.

It's obvious to see who bases their football knowledge off FIFA.

It annoys me that fifa is trying to say that a centre forward is a second striker type player. When I grew up I was taught that a CF was basically a big target man. Unless CF on fifa doesn't actually stand for Centre Forward.

I agree. Might just be creative forward

AriseForLife wrote:

luke. wrote:

AriseForLife wrote:He isn't wrong though. Wingers are forward. Michel's total football defined wingers as forwards and vice versa.

Strikers, are forwards, wingers are forwards. Strikers and wingers are separate positions in the same area of the pitch.

Not all strikers are forwards. Strikers and wingers aren't really in the same area of the pitch. Strikers are in and around the box, wingers and forwards are in the attacking end, but not in the box. They can come in the box, but they don't live in the box as a striker would.

By forward I mean, the attacking third of the pitch.

All strikers are forwards because they are positioned in the attacking third. Wingers are in the attacking third, like strikers are, but wingers are out wide on the flanks.

ST is now what a CF was back in the day. Now CF is basically a #10 (Bergkamp) and ST is #9 (Shearer) where as back in the day it was the exact opposite. At least this is how I learned it since the early 90s

All strikers are forwards. All wingers are forwards. Not all forwards are strikers. Not all forwards are wingers. Wingers are not strikers.

Can this be agree on?

What does ST even stand for, I don't get it

AriseForLife wrote:ST is now what a CF was back in the day. Now CF is basically a #10 (Bergkamp) and ST is #9 (Shearer) where as back in the day it was the exact opposite. At least this is how I learned it since the early 90s

Yeah, that's how it is. At least in FIFA, anwyay.

luke. wrote:By forward I mean, the attacking third of the pitch.

All strikers are forwards because they are positioned in the attacking third. Wingers are in the attacking third, like strikers are, but wingers are out wide on the flanks.

Okay in that respect I agree with you. If his argument was only referring to positions on the field rather than sections of the field, ie defensive end, middle, attacking end, then I would agree with his bold statement. Positionally though not all strikers are forwards, ie Bendtner is a striker and nothing more despite being played as a winger/forward.

Fonseca wrote:What does ST even stand for, I don't get it

Just an abbreviation for Striker.

Fonseca wrote:What does ST even stand for, I don't get it

Striker. Is there something difficult about that?

AriseForLife wrote:ST is now what a CF was back in the day. Now CF is basically a #10 (Bergkamp) and ST is #9 (Shearer) where as back in the day it was the exact opposite. At least this is how I learned it since the early 90s

Unless Filippo is right CF now stands for creative forward more often, I don't see why it would be like that. Centre Forward still means target man as far as I'm concerned, I don't see why it would change.

Oh....

Oh shit

Fonseca wrote:What does ST even stand for, I don't get it

A Striker is a forward playing in the box.

Though with the different roles the game has developed, it's all a little gooey. (For example, IMO Inside Forwards are Strikers)

Zzonked wrote:

AriseForLife wrote:ST is now what a CF was back in the day. Now CF is basically a #10 (Bergkamp) and ST is #9 (Shearer) where as back in the day it was the exact opposite. At least this is how I learned it since the early 90s

Unless Filippo is right CF now stands for creative forward more often, I don't see why it would be like that. Centre Forward still means target man as far as I'm concerned, I don't see why it would change.

Nah, RF CF LF. Just to distinguish which is which.

Zzonked wrote:

AriseForLife wrote:ST is now what a CF was back in the day. Now CF is basically a #10 (Bergkamp) and ST is #9 (Shearer) where as back in the day it was the exact opposite. At least this is how I learned it since the early 90s

Unless Filippo is right CF now stands for creative forward more often, I don't see why it would be like that. Centre Forward still means target man as far as I'm concerned, I don't see why it would change.

Its mainly because of total football were the RF, CF, and LF were just to clarify where on the field the forward would start. I had never heard of creative forward until FM and outside of FM I have never heard it actually used in the real world.

Looking back Eusebio was referred as one of the best center forwards of all time, but modern terms he would be called a striker rather than a center forward.

I've never heard of creative forward, not even in FM. I think it means Centre Forward in FIFA, infact, I'm pretty much sure of it.

Closest thing to 'creative forward' in FM would be the Trequartista.

polska. wrote:

Fonseca wrote:What does ST even stand for, I don't get it

A Striker is a forward playing in the box.

Though with the different roles the game has developed, it's all a little gooey. (For example, IMO Inside Forwards are Strikers)

I thought Inside Forwards in the modern game resembled a second striker sort of role more.

CF isn't just restricted to FIFA though. I have grown up hearing CF a lot when referring to particular players. Alessandro Del Piero has always been a center forward or trequartista depending on who you ask. Spaletti changed Totti from an attacking midfielder to a center forward to an out and out striker once they started using only one striker. Dennis Bergkamp has and will always be a center forward, etc etc.