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luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Taarabt gets loads of praise from pundits and fans, is he the best player in his position in the world?

comparing him to a championship player? Taarabt is great for a championship player, thats why he gets praise. Coentrao is different class, and is compared to top level quality.

Coentrao hasn't really played at top level quality, 1 good world cup doesn't make you great, and Youtube videos can make Kalou look like Pele.

Also, it was a comparison in the same circumstance.

Coentrao is the full package, everything you could want from a LB. as of now he might not be the best, but he will be soon. as of now Konchesky is still the best.

Emm, do you watch him every week and know his game inside out?

No, you seen him play 4 games at the WC and seen youtube clips of him, which conveniently only show the best things he does..

do I watch Messi week-in week-out? that might be a bit too far. Do I watch Neymar week-in week-out? I'm going by universal opinion here.

polska. wrote:TBH I don't think Pele was all that special, the likes of Robinho and Neymar probably surpass him. It was different times and I bet Pele would just be another 20-goal season striker today and not thought of as much more.

Perfectly reasonable thinking, maybe Robinho might score 8 goals per game and surpass Pele......

Dan wrote:Yeah, all the big clubs have been watching him recently and he's rumoured to be worth around £25m. He must be shite.

Andy Carroll must be one of the best strikers in the world then by that logic.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

comparing him to a championship player? Taarabt is great for a championship player, thats why he gets praise. Coentrao is different class, and is compared to top level quality.

Coentrao hasn't really played at top level quality, 1 good world cup doesn't make you great, and Youtube videos can make Kalou look like Pele.

Also, it was a comparison in the same circumstance.

Coentrao is the full package, everything you could want from a LB. as of now he might not be the best, but he will be soon. as of now Konchesky is still the best.

Emm, do you watch him every week and know his game inside out?

No, you seen him play 4 games at the WC and seen youtube clips of him, which conveniently only show the best things he does..

do I watch Messi week-in week-out? that might be a bit too far. Do I watch Neymar week-in week-out? I'm going by universal opinion here.

You're not comparing Messi or Neymar to another player though, so you don't need to watch them to form an opinion for any reason.

polska. wrote:TBH I don't think Pele was all that special, the likes of Robinho and Neymar probably surpass him. It was different times and I bet Pele would just be another 20-goal season striker today and not thought of as much more.

He was no Grzegorz Lato, that's for sure.

ayvee1 wrote:

Dan wrote:Yeah, all the big clubs have been watching him recently and he's rumoured to be worth around £25m. He must be shite.

Andy Carroll must be one of the best strikers in the world then by that logic.

He is though

ayvee1 wrote:

Dan wrote:Yeah, all the big clubs have been watching him recently and he's rumoured to be worth around £25m. He must be shite.

Andy Carroll must be one of the best strikers in the world then by that logic.

He is

ayvee1 wrote:

Dan wrote:Yeah, all the big clubs have been watching him recently and he's rumoured to be worth around £25m. He must be shite.

Andy Carroll must be one of the best strikers in the world then by that logic.

Never claimed Coentrao was one of the best in the world. So I think that logic is perfectly fine.

Robinho > Pele?


No way.

Eternal Witcher how can you judge a defenders defencive capabilities without watching long individual clips? well you can't, it doesn't really work like that

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Coentrao hasn't really played at top level quality, 1 good world cup doesn't make you great, and Youtube videos can make Kalou look like Pele.

Also, it was a comparison in the same circumstance.

Coentrao is the full package, everything you could want from a LB. as of now he might not be the best, but he will be soon. as of now Konchesky is still the best.

Emm, do you watch him every week and know his game inside out?

No, you seen him play 4 games at the WC and seen youtube clips of him, which conveniently only show the best things he does..

do I watch Messi week-in week-out? that might be a bit too far. Do I watch Neymar week-in week-out? I'm going by universal opinion here.

You're not comparing Messi or Neymar to another player though, so you don't need to watch them to form an opinion for any reason.

right....I don't need to stalk a player to know whether he's good or not. I'm just believing the hype, because everyone else is and I've seen nothing from him to suggest otherwise.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Coentrao is the full package, everything you could want from a LB. as of now he might not be the best, but he will be soon. as of now Konchesky is still the best.

Emm, do you watch him every week and know his game inside out?

No, you seen him play 4 games at the WC and seen youtube clips of him, which conveniently only show the best things he does..

do I watch Messi week-in week-out? that might be a bit too far. Do I watch Neymar week-in week-out? I'm going by universal opinion here.

You're not comparing Messi or Neymar to another player though, so you don't need to watch them to form an opinion for any reason.

right....I don't need to stalk a player to know whether he's good or not. I'm just believing the hype, because everyone else is and I've seen nothing from him to suggest otherwise.

So basically you've just admitted you have no clue about Coentrao and you're just chatting shit..

Dan wrote:

ayvee1 wrote:

Dan wrote:Yeah, all the big clubs have been watching him recently and he's rumoured to be worth around £25m. He must be shite.

Andy Carroll must be one of the best strikers in the world then by that logic.

Never claimed Coentrao was one of the best in the world. So I think that logic is perfectly fine.

I know you didn't, but rumored transfer costs aren't a good barometer for quality, especially in todays market.

Fucking hell.

Luke.

NOBODY HAS SAID COENTRAO IS BETTER THAN COLE. THEY ARE JUST SAYING THAT HE COULD BE. HE'S OBVIOUSLY MASSIVELY TALENTED AND IF HE KEEPS PROGRESSING HE COULD BE ONE OF THE BEST.


Clear now?

Wait, wait, wait, Polska actually said that?

ayvee1 wrote:

Dan wrote:

ayvee1 wrote:

Dan wrote:Yeah, all the big clubs have been watching him recently and he's rumoured to be worth around £25m. He must be shite.

Andy Carroll must be one of the best strikers in the world then by that logic.

Never claimed Coentrao was one of the best in the world. So I think that logic is perfectly fine.

I know you didn't, but rumored transfer costs aren't a good barometer for quality, especially in todays market.

However, I'd say having the majority of big teams watching him is.

Dan wrote:Fucking hell.

Luke.

NOBODY HAS SAID COENTRAO IS BETTER THAN COLE. THEY ARE JUST SAYING THAT HE COULD BE. HE'S OBVIOUSLY MASSIVELY TALENTED AND IF HE KEEPS PROGRESSING HE COULD BE ONE OF THE BEST.


Clear now?

I never said he couldn't.

Tom wrote:Eternal Witcher how can you judge a defenders defencive capabilities without watching long individual clips? well you can't, it doesn't really work like that

Oh really?

Please tell me how it works then

Oh wait you just did, I appreciate your wisdom. Watching long individual clips every flippin week it is then.

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

luke. wrote:

Emm, do you watch him every week and know his game inside out?

No, you seen him play 4 games at the WC and seen youtube clips of him, which conveniently only show the best things he does..

do I watch Messi week-in week-out? that might be a bit too far. Do I watch Neymar week-in week-out? I'm going by universal opinion here.

You're not comparing Messi or Neymar to another player though, so you don't need to watch them to form an opinion for any reason.

right....I don't need to stalk a player to know whether he's good or not. I'm just believing the hype, because everyone else is and I've seen nothing from him to suggest otherwise.

So basically you've just admitted you have no clue about Coentrao and you're just chatting shit..

see what I just put in bold? I have watched him, I have a sound impression on what he's like.

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:TBH I don't think Pele was all that special, the likes of Robinho and Neymar probably surpass him. It was different times and I bet Pele would just be another 20-goal season striker today and not thought of as much more.

He was no Grzegorz Lato, that's for sure.

Now there's a man who surpassed Pele.

But I don't see what I said was wrong or so laughable. I gave perfectly good reasoning. I seriously seriously doubt Pele could play in the modern era and be as great as he was. They were different times and while he was amazing back then, Look back at other greats of the game, Puskas and Zarra, who like Pele, accrued an IMMENSE amount of goals. I can't help but think that those times, football was a much easier game. I doubt that those 3 would achieve many more goals than let's say 30 a season, IF that, if they were here today.

Love how completely off topic this has gotten.

polska. wrote:

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:TBH I don't think Pele was all that special, the likes of Robinho and Neymar probably surpass him. It was different times and I bet Pele would just be another 20-goal season striker today and not thought of as much more.

He was no Grzegorz Lato, that's for sure.

Now there's a man who surpassed Pele.

But I don't see what I said was wrong or so laughable. I gave perfectly good reasoning. I seriously seriously doubt Pele could play in the modern era and be as great as he was. They were different times and while he was amazing back then, Look back at other greats of the game, Puskas and Zarra, who like Pele, accrued an IMMENSE amount of goals. I can't help but think that those times, football was a much easier game. I doubt that those 3 would achieve many more goals than let's say 30 a season, IF that, if they were here today.

Just because Pele might not have been as good today doesn't mean he could be surpassed by Robinho of all people.

If Robinho was so good you wouldn't need to say, 'defenders are better nowadays so Robinho can't do what Pele done' or some bullshit.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Tom wrote:Eternal Witcher how can you judge a defenders defencive capabilities without watching long individual clips? well you can't, it doesn't really work like that

Oh really?

Please tell me how it works then

Oh wait you just did, I appreciate your wisdom. Watching long individual clips every flippin week it is then.

Oh I'm sorry would you like me to show u him getting skinned on a short clip so I can conclude your thoughts on that he's somehow shit?

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:TBH I don't think Pele was all that special, the likes of Robinho and Neymar probably surpass him. It was different times and I bet Pele would just be another 20-goal season striker today and not thought of as much more.

He was no Grzegorz Lato, that's for sure.

Now there's a man who surpassed Pele.

But I don't see what I said was wrong or so laughable. I gave perfectly good reasoning. I seriously seriously doubt Pele could play in the modern era and be as great as he was. They were different times and while he was amazing back then, Look back at other greats of the game, Puskas and Zarra, who like Pele, accrued an IMMENSE amount of goals. I can't help but think that those times, football was a much easier game. I doubt that those 3 would achieve many more goals than let's say 30 a season, IF that, if they were here today.

Just because Pele might not have been as good today doesn't mean he could be surpassed by Robinho of all people.

If Robinho was so good you wouldn't need to say, 'defenders are better nowadays so Robinho can't do what Pele done' or some bullshit.

Ok, let me rephrase myself. Put Robinho back into the 50's and he'd score 30-40 goals a season too.

blackskar wrote:Love how completely off topic this has gotten.

It was Luke's fault

He'd end up with a broken leg too

So he's good in the air and good with the air...

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:TBH I don't think Pele was all that special, the likes of Robinho and Neymar probably surpass him. It was different times and I bet Pele would just be another 20-goal season striker today and not thought of as much more.

He was no Grzegorz Lato, that's for sure.

Now there's a man who surpassed Pele.

But I don't see what I said was wrong or so laughable. I gave perfectly good reasoning. I seriously seriously doubt Pele could play in the modern era and be as great as he was. They were different times and while he was amazing back then, Look back at other greats of the game, Puskas and Zarra, who like Pele, accrued an IMMENSE amount of goals. I can't help but think that those times, football was a much easier game. I doubt that those 3 would achieve many more goals than let's say 30 a season, IF that, if they were here today.

Just because Pele might not have been as good today doesn't mean he could be surpassed by Robinho of all people.

If Robinho was so good you wouldn't need to say, 'defenders are better nowadays so Robinho can't do what Pele done' or some bullshit.

Ok, let me rephrase myself. Put Robinho back into the 50's and he'd score 30-40 goals a season too.

How do you know? Do you have a time machine? Did you take Robinho back in time with you?

blackskar wrote:Love how completely off topic this has gotten.

Cole shoots someone>Argues over reliabilty>Cole is best LB in world>No he's not>Contero's better>Youtube clips>Andy Carrol>Pele is shit

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