Van Persie V Torres

RVP is a better player and a better goalscorer.

If Injuries haven't hampered him, he'd have much more goals then Torres.

edit: Also, RVP does much more for the team then Torres. Torres waits for the ball and his teammates most of the time I see him.

Zzonked wrote:If Torres is the better goal scorer and their primary job is to score goals, wouldn't that make him the better player for their position?

Van persie's job isn't to only score goals. Wenger likes his centre forwards to drop deep and bring the midfield into play. He's supposed to make and score goals.

Torres' role is just to score goals.

Van Persie. Once Torres hits 28/29 and the pace goes and the legs, he'll be fucked. Van Persie has and always will be a fantastic footballer, you never lose that. Torres is not a great footballer and never was a great footballer. One thing he is and will give him is he's a great goalscorer. But only because of his sheer pace and movement. Once the athletic abilites go, thats it, he'll be over the hill and finished. Just look at Micheal Owen. Exactly the same, 28/29 washed up.

Plan D wrote:Van Persie. Once Torres hits 28/29 and the pace goes and the legs, he'll be fucked. Van Persie has and always will be a fantastic footballer, you never lose that. Torres is not a great footballer and never was a great footballer. One thing he is and will give him is he's a great goalscorer. But only because of his sheer pace and movement. Once the athletic abilites go, thats it, he'll be over the hill and finished. Just look at Micheal Owen. Exactly the same, 28/29 washed up.

But we're talking now...not in a few years...thereby making your point about Torres' legs irrelevant.

So you're saying that Owen 'is not a great football and never was...' one too?

Torresxvilla wrote:

Plan D wrote:Van Persie. Once Torres hits 28/29 and the pace goes and the legs, he'll be fucked. Van Persie has and always will be a fantastic footballer, you never lose that. Torres is not a great footballer and never was a great footballer. One thing he is and will give him is he's a great goalscorer. But only because of his sheer pace and movement. Once the athletic abilites go, thats it, he'll be over the hill and finished. Just look at Micheal Owen. Exactly the same, 28/29 washed up.

But we're talking now...not in a few years...thereby making your point about Torres' legs irrelevant.

So you're saying that Owen 'is not a great football and never was...' one too?

Well no, read it. I've never claimed any such remark about Owen. What am saying is Fernando is a fantastic goalscorer, but he's not and NEVER WAS a great footballer, will score you goals all day long, not arguin' that. But his main asset MOVEMENT, all stems and generates from his sheer pace that he has. Unfortunatley, the pace starts to receed and decrease around the 28/29 mark and them later years, you have to rely and being a good '' footballer '' and having a good football '' brain '' Nando hasn't got that.

Plan D wrote:

Torresxvilla wrote:

Plan D wrote:Van Persie. Once Torres hits 28/29 and the pace goes and the legs, he'll be fucked. Van Persie has and always will be a fantastic footballer, you never lose that. Torres is not a great footballer and never was a great footballer. One thing he is and will give him is he's a great goalscorer. But only because of his sheer pace and movement. Once the athletic abilites go, thats it, he'll be over the hill and finished. Just look at Micheal Owen. Exactly the same, 28/29 washed up.

But we're talking now...not in a few years...thereby making your point about Torres' legs irrelevant.

So you're saying that Owen 'is not a great football and never was...' one too?

Well no, read it. I've never claimed any such remark about Owen. What am saying is Fernando is a fantastic goalscorer, but he's not and NEVER WAS a great footballer, will score you goals all day long, not arguin' that. But his main asset MOVEMENT, all stems and generates from his sheer pace that he has. Unfortunatley, the pace starts to receed and decrease around the 28/29 mark and them later years, you have to rely and being a good '' footballer '' and having a good football '' brain '' Nando hasn't got that.

I did read it.

Torres is still 26 years old. Him potentially losing his athletic abilities when he reaches the 28/29 mark, which is just according to you, does not make him less of a football player at this very moment.

A player than scores you all day long does not even warrant being called a 'good footballer'? How did he score 147 goals at club level without even a 'good football brain'? You're telling me he was able to score all those goals with just his sheer pace?

I don't think you're quite grasping what I'm saying, you've done it before and you're doing it NOW. It's actually quite annoying.
Read this '' Unfortunatley, the pace starts to receed and decrease around the 28/29 mark and them later years, you have to rely and being a good '' footballer '' and having a good football '' brain '' Nando hasn't got that. ''

Right for a start, where you question me on '' Him losing his athletic abilites when he's 28/29 is just according to you '' well notice I say '' later years '' meaning, it may happen after 28/29, also it is not just according to me. It's physiology, it's written as fact, it's science. He WILL lose that ability. So no you can forget all this '' Just according to you '' go and buy an Anatomy and Physiology book and read up '' Muscle Fibres '' then come back to me saying that.

You're also missing the point '' Good Footballer ''

Has he got great technical ability? No
Has he got great first touch? No
Has he got excellent trapping? No
Is he a great dribbler? No
Has he got a great football brain? No
Is he a great creator of goals? No

However what he does have...
Has he got sublime pace, movement and an excellent finish? YES, for me he's the best in the world at them 3 things, when he's on song.

I love Nando as player, and I'll always respect him as a player, he's a great striker. Believe me there is noone who's watched him more than me over the last 3 and a half years, I've practically been at everymatch Liverpool have played and I've seen Nando in the flesh everyweek at his time at Liverpool. But they are the facts and will come to haunt Nando in his later years as a footballer, lads been playing top level football since he was 16, he'll be burnt out and done for by 28/29, mark my words.

torres obviously

Plan D wrote:I don't think you're quite grasping what I'm saying, you've done it before and you're doing it NOW. It's actually quite annoying.
Read this '' Unfortunatley, the pace starts to receed and decrease around the 28/29 mark and them later years, you have to rely and being a good '' footballer '' and having a good football '' brain '' Nando hasn't got that. ''

Right for a start, where you question me on '' Him losing his athletic abilites when he's 28/29 is just according to you '' well notice I say '' later years '' meaning, it may happen after 28/29, also it is not just according to me. It's physiology, it's written as fact, it's science. He WILL lose that ability. So no you can forget all this '' Just according to you '' go and buy an Anatomy and Physiology book and read up '' Muscle Fibres '' then come back to me saying that.

You're also missing the point '' Good Footballer ''

Has he got great technical ability? No
Has he got great first touch? No
Has he got excellent trapping? No
Is he a great dribbler? No
Has he got a great football brain? No
Is he a great creator of goals? No

However what he does have...
Has he got sublime pace, movement and an excellent finish? YES, for me he's the best in the world at them 3 things, when he's on song.

I love Nando as player, and I'll always respect him as a player, he's a great striker. Believe me there is noone who's watched him more than me over the last 3 and a half years, I've practically been at everymatch Liverpool have played and I've seen Nando in the flesh everyweek at his time at Liverpool. But they are the facts and will come to haunt Nando in his later years as a footballer, lads been playing top level football since he was 16, he'll be burnt out and done for by 28/29, mark my words.

Can't help but wonder if you'd say the same say... a week ago?

dena wrote:

Plan D wrote:I don't think you're quite grasping what I'm saying, you've done it before and you're doing it NOW. It's actually quite annoying.
Read this '' Unfortunatley, the pace starts to receed and decrease around the 28/29 mark and them later years, you have to rely and being a good '' footballer '' and having a good football '' brain '' Nando hasn't got that. ''

Right for a start, where you question me on '' Him losing his athletic abilites when he's 28/29 is just according to you '' well notice I say '' later years '' meaning, it may happen after 28/29, also it is not just according to me. It's physiology, it's written as fact, it's science. He WILL lose that ability. So no you can forget all this '' Just according to you '' go and buy an Anatomy and Physiology book and read up '' Muscle Fibres '' then come back to me saying that.

You're also missing the point '' Good Footballer ''

Has he got great technical ability? No
Has he got great first touch? No
Has he got excellent trapping? No
Is he a great dribbler? No
Has he got a great football brain? No
Is he a great creator of goals? No

However what he does have...
Has he got sublime pace, movement and an excellent finish? YES, for me he's the best in the world at them 3 things, when he's on song.

I love Nando as player, and I'll always respect him as a player, he's a great striker. Believe me there is noone who's watched him more than me over the last 3 and a half years, I've practically been at everymatch Liverpool have played and I've seen Nando in the flesh everyweek at his time at Liverpool. But they are the facts and will come to haunt Nando in his later years as a footballer, lads been playing top level football since he was 16, he'll be burnt out and done for by 28/29, mark my words.

Can't help but wonder if you'd say the same say... a week ago?

Dena, honeslty I would of mate. Because they are the facts and I've always formed that opinion on him. As I've said, the mans a phenominal goalscorer and I do reckon he'll get Chelsea a bagfull of goals, but my other points still stand and they were always my points when he was a Liverpool player aswell. He's still got a few years left at the top, but not many in my opinion.

Also just like to add, people seem think I'm saying Torres is crap... or Torres will be become crap. No, just no. I'm talking the top of the game. Even once the pace has gone, he'll still be a good player and he'll score goals, but he won't be a '' top '' player for much long in my opinion, though that doesn't mean he'll go and become a '' shit '' player. Torres is considerd a top striker in world football at the moment, my point is, he won't remain a top striker a sustained period of time, purely for the fact of the reasons I've tabled.

is amazing, torres suddenly become crap dribbler and cannot trap a ball, no football brain etc

i think there is mroe dribbling compilation on youtube for torres than ronaldo and obviously trap ball is a troll comment, if torres cant trap ball, then rooney must shit himself everytime he attempt it, also no football brain beyond a finisher is also strange consider he has 21 assist in liverpool career, im sure if he was like darren bent and had no football brain he would have no presence to square or cross ball and instead shoot all the time

those comment about his technique, im think is big insult not just as pro football player but to him personally when u consider lucas is the most technically accomplish player in that team

Plan D wrote:I don't think you're quite grasping what I'm saying, you've done it before and you're doing it NOW. It's actually quite annoying.
Read this '' Unfortunatley, the pace starts to receed and decrease around the 28/29 mark and them later years, you have to rely and being a good '' footballer '' and having a good football '' brain '' Nando hasn't got that. ''

Right for a start, where you question me on '' Him losing his athletic abilites when he's 28/29 is just according to you '' well notice I say '' later years '' meaning, it may happen after 28/29, also it is not just according to me. It's physiology, it's written as fact, it's science. He WILL lose that ability. So no you can forget all this '' Just according to you '' go and buy an Anatomy and Physiology book and read up '' Muscle Fibres '' then come back to me saying that.

You're also missing the point '' Good Footballer ''

Has he got great technical ability? No
Has he got great first touch? No
Has he got excellent trapping? No
Is he a great dribbler? No
Has he got a great football brain? No
Is he a great creator of goals? No

However what he does have...
Has he got sublime pace, movement and an excellent finish? YES, for me he's the best in the world at them 3 things, when he's on song.

I love Nando as player, and I'll always respect him as a player, he's a great striker. Believe me there is noone who's watched him more than me over the last 3 and a half years, I've practically been at everymatch Liverpool have played and I've seen Nando in the flesh everyweek at his time at Liverpool. But they are the facts and will come to haunt Nando in his later years as a footballer, lads been playing top level football since he was 16, he'll be burnt out and done for by 28/29, mark my words.

Sorry I don't spend hours analyzing posts. Don't reply me if you don't want/find it too annoying to discuss.

You seem to be the one not getting the point. But the thread is about who the better player right NOW...not in the future.
You're saying that he will be burnt out when he's 28, but he isn't right now and we are not talking about who will be better in 2-3 years time, so why do you keep bringing that point up? Why does him losing his abilities in 2 years make him less of a player right now, is my question.

Sure everyone loses pace when they get older, but I highly doubt that it will be so much that he 'will be done' when he's 28/29.

Torres suddenly becomes a sub-par forward after joining Chelsea.
Spending too much time on here with useless arguments.

mauro wrote:is amazing, torres suddenly become crap dribbler and cannot trap a ball, no football brain etc

i think there is mroe dribbling compilation on youtube for torres than ronaldo and obviously trap ball is a troll comment, if torres cant trap ball, then rooney must shit himself everytime he attempt it, also no football brain beyond a finisher is also strange consider he has 21 assist in liverpool career, im sure if he was like darren bent and had no football brain he would have no presence to square or cross ball and instead shoot all the time

those comment about his technique, im think is big insult not just as pro football player but to him personally when u consider lucas is the most technically accomplish player in that team

Sorry Mauro, you're talking shite mate. The fact you've used Youtube in your argument, well that says it all to me, no Mauro, I won't go and watch Torres dribbling compilations, I've seen him with my own eyes for the last 3 and a half years my friend. Fernando Torres is not a great dribbler at all, he beats men purely on power and pace. He doesn't touch the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Iniesta, Del Piero, Totti in recards to dribbling. Fernando Torres does not beat his men by outdoing them with the ball, he beats them on pure pace and power and if notice a lot of the time, he kicks the ball ahead of a player and runs, doesn't actually dribble past them, there is a difference.

Also you talk of insulting a Pro footballer on techniques etc... Mauro, you are the biggest culprit for it.

Torresxvilla wrote:

Plan D wrote:I don't think you're quite grasping what I'm saying, you've done it before and you're doing it NOW. It's actually quite annoying.
Read this '' Unfortunatley, the pace starts to receed and decrease around the 28/29 mark and them later years, you have to rely and being a good '' footballer '' and having a good football '' brain '' Nando hasn't got that. ''

Right for a start, where you question me on '' Him losing his athletic abilites when he's 28/29 is just according to you '' well notice I say '' later years '' meaning, it may happen after 28/29, also it is not just according to me. It's physiology, it's written as fact, it's science. He WILL lose that ability. So no you can forget all this '' Just according to you '' go and buy an Anatomy and Physiology book and read up '' Muscle Fibres '' then come back to me saying that.

You're also missing the point '' Good Footballer ''

Has he got great technical ability? No
Has he got great first touch? No
Has he got excellent trapping? No
Is he a great dribbler? No
Has he got a great football brain? No
Is he a great creator of goals? No

However what he does have...
Has he got sublime pace, movement and an excellent finish? YES, for me he's the best in the world at them 3 things, when he's on song.

I love Nando as player, and I'll always respect him as a player, he's a great striker. Believe me there is noone who's watched him more than me over the last 3 and a half years, I've practically been at everymatch Liverpool have played and I've seen Nando in the flesh everyweek at his time at Liverpool. But they are the facts and will come to haunt Nando in his later years as a footballer, lads been playing top level football since he was 16, he'll be burnt out and done for by 28/29, mark my words.

Don't reply me if you don't want/find it too annoying to discuss.

But the thread is about who the better player right NOW...not in the future.
You're saying that he will be burnt out when he's 28, but he isn't right now and we are not talking about who will be better in 2-3 years time, so why do you keep bringing that point up? Why does him losing his abilities in 2 years make him less of a player right now, is my question.

Sure everyone loses pace when they get older, but I highly doubt that it will be so much that he 'will be done' when he's 28/29.

Torres suddenly becomes a sub-par forward after joining Chelsea.
Spending too much time on here with useless arguments.

You actually replied to me. Just thought I'd get that one out.

And anyways, yeah so I went about off-topic about Torres, I was running into another point from the previous point I was making. Why do you feel the need to pull it up? Instead why don't you actually answer the evidence I've put it against you, instead of coming back with the same old '' We're talking about NOW '' So fucking what? I'm talkin' about in a couple of years. Big fuckin' deal. Jesus christ.

'' Torres suddenly becomes sub-par forward after joining Chelsea '' When have I ever once said that? I hate using this line, because not all canadians are as thick as you when it comes to football, but fuck me, stick to hockey eh lad.

Plan D wrote:

mauro wrote:is amazing, torres suddenly become crap dribbler and cannot trap a ball, no football brain etc

i think there is mroe dribbling compilation on youtube for torres than ronaldo and obviously trap ball is a troll comment, if torres cant trap ball, then rooney must shit himself everytime he attempt it, also no football brain beyond a finisher is also strange consider he has 21 assist in liverpool career, im sure if he was like darren bent and had no football brain he would have no presence to square or cross ball and instead shoot all the time

those comment about his technique, im think is big insult not just as pro football player but to him personally when u consider lucas is the most technically accomplish player in that team

Sorry Mauro, you're talking shite mate. The fact you've used Youtube in your argument, well that says it all to me, no Mauro, I won't go and watch Torres dribbling compilations, I've seen him with my own eyes for the last 3 and a half years my friend. Fernando Torres is not a great dribbler at all, he beats men purely on power and pace. He doesn't touch the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Iniesta, Del Piero, Totti in recards to dribbling. Fernando Torres does not beat his men by outdoing them with the ball, he beats them on pure pace and power and if notice a lot of the time, he kicks the ball ahead of a player and runs, doesn't actually dribble past them, there is a difference.

Also you talk of insulting a Pro footballer on techniques etc... Mauro, you are the biggest culprit for it.

the youtube comment was just a statement to prove a point, ive watch torres many times for liverpool and spain and to say he cant dribble is a big lol

of course kick and chase is not a dribbling technique but is this all u think he can do?

im must be blind or something but have i not seen torres do cruyff turns, elasticos, in an outs, reverse trap etc? of course im not blind, you are just angry that he leave u (oh nooo we got 50 millions for him) to accept that he actually was a good dribbler. is strange he went from good dribbler in atletico and liverpool, to no technique person in chelsea?

of course im always mock players with no technique. player like darrent bent, andy carroll, simone pepe. those players are embarrassments. but torres? hes not apart of that group

is amaze to see how far some people will go to for their self-inmportance and impecious nature. love a player when he play for their team, but then we he leave it is "he wasnt that good anyway" but that is not point anyway, it is insult to torres to say he has no technique as again, which players in that liverpool team is superior? gerrard? lol

remember technique is = close control, ball retention in tight area, ball manipulation with space, variation between 1 touch to many touch, passing, good weaker foot and overall comfortably with ball in feet, how does torres not fit this description

(oh nooo we got 50 millions for him)

You crack me up Mauro

Plan D wrote:

Torresxvilla wrote:

Plan D wrote:I don't think you're quite grasping what I'm saying, you've done it before and you're doing it NOW. It's actually quite annoying.
Read this '' Unfortunatley, the pace starts to receed and decrease around the 28/29 mark and them later years, you have to rely and being a good '' footballer '' and having a good football '' brain '' Nando hasn't got that. ''

Right for a start, where you question me on '' Him losing his athletic abilites when he's 28/29 is just according to you '' well notice I say '' later years '' meaning, it may happen after 28/29, also it is not just according to me. It's physiology, it's written as fact, it's science. He WILL lose that ability. So no you can forget all this '' Just according to you '' go and buy an Anatomy and Physiology book and read up '' Muscle Fibres '' then come back to me saying that.

You're also missing the point '' Good Footballer ''

Has he got great technical ability? No
Has he got great first touch? No
Has he got excellent trapping? No
Is he a great dribbler? No
Has he got a great football brain? No
Is he a great creator of goals? No

However what he does have...
Has he got sublime pace, movement and an excellent finish? YES, for me he's the best in the world at them 3 things, when he's on song.

I love Nando as player, and I'll always respect him as a player, he's a great striker. Believe me there is noone who's watched him more than me over the last 3 and a half years, I've practically been at everymatch Liverpool have played and I've seen Nando in the flesh everyweek at his time at Liverpool. But they are the facts and will come to haunt Nando in his later years as a footballer, lads been playing top level football since he was 16, he'll be burnt out and done for by 28/29, mark my words.

Don't reply me if you don't want/find it too annoying to discuss.

But the thread is about who the better player right NOW...not in the future.
You're saying that he will be burnt out when he's 28, but he isn't right now and we are not talking about who will be better in 2-3 years time, so why do you keep bringing that point up? Why does him losing his abilities in 2 years make him less of a player right now, is my question.

Sure everyone loses pace when they get older, but I highly doubt that it will be so much that he 'will be done' when he's 28/29.

Torres suddenly becomes a sub-par forward after joining Chelsea.
Spending too much time on here with useless arguments.

You actually replied to me. Just thought I'd get that one out.

And anyways, yeah so I went about off-topic about Torres, I was running into another point from the previous point I was making. Why do you feel the need to pull it up? Instead why don't you actually answer the evidence I've put it against you, instead of coming back with the same old '' We're talking about NOW '' So fucking what? I'm talkin' about in a couple of years. Big fuckin' deal. Jesus christ.

'' Torres suddenly becomes sub-par forward after joining Chelsea '' When have I ever once said that? I hate using this line, because not all canadians are as thick as you when it comes to football, but fuck me, stick to hockey eh lad.

Why does that matter? Because your point was completely irrelevant to the thread...and you call me annoying.
What evidence against me? Why I keep saying 'I'm talking about now'? It's because this thread was talking about RVP vs Torres now, and not in the future until you came in with an irrelevant point.

I just said the point about Torres becoming a sub-par forward just to piss you off. Seems like it has worked. Chill the fuck out.

Oh and FYI, just because I live in Canada does not make ethnically white and a hockey-lover. Once again, you're wrong.

mauro wrote:

Plan D wrote:

mauro wrote:is amazing, torres suddenly become crap dribbler and cannot trap a ball, no football brain etc

i think there is mroe dribbling compilation on youtube for torres than ronaldo and obviously trap ball is a troll comment, if torres cant trap ball, then rooney must shit himself everytime he attempt it, also no football brain beyond a finisher is also strange consider he has 21 assist in liverpool career, im sure if he was like darren bent and had no football brain he would have no presence to square or cross ball and instead shoot all the time

those comment about his technique, im think is big insult not just as pro football player but to him personally when u consider lucas is the most technically accomplish player in that team

Sorry Mauro, you're talking shite mate. The fact you've used Youtube in your argument, well that says it all to me, no Mauro, I won't go and watch Torres dribbling compilations, I've seen him with my own eyes for the last 3 and a half years my friend. Fernando Torres is not a great dribbler at all, he beats men purely on power and pace. He doesn't touch the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Iniesta, Del Piero, Totti in recards to dribbling. Fernando Torres does not beat his men by outdoing them with the ball, he beats them on pure pace and power and if notice a lot of the time, he kicks the ball ahead of a player and runs, doesn't actually dribble past them, there is a difference.

Also you talk of insulting a Pro footballer on techniques etc... Mauro, you are the biggest culprit for it.

the youtube comment was just a statement to prove a point, ive watch torres many times for liverpool and spain and to say he cant dribble is a big lol

of course kick and chase is not a dribbling technique but is this all u think he can do?

im must be blind or something but have i not seen torres do cruyff turns, elasticos, in an outs, reverse trap etc? of course im not blind, you are just angry that he leave u (oh nooo we got 50 millions for him) to accept that he actually was a good dribbler. is strange he went from good dribbler in atletico and liverpool, to no technique person in chelsea?

of course im always mock players with no technique. player like darrent bent, andy carroll, simone pepe. those players are embarrassments. but torres? hes not apart of that group

is amaze to see how far some people will go to for their self-inmportance and impecious nature. love a player when he play for their team, but then we he leave it is "he wasnt that good anyway" but that is not point anyway, it is insult to torres to say he has no technique as again, which players in that liverpool team is superior? gerrard? lol

remember technique is = close control, ball retention in tight area, ball manipulation with space, variation between 1 touch to many touch, passing, good weaker foot and overall comfortably with ball in feet, how does torres not fit this description

Yes, you've summed it up for me.

Ball technique is=

Close Control- Torres's close control is piss poor. (On and off switch)

Ball Retention in tight area's- Nando never looks comfortable in a tight area's Mauro, Torres is at his best, when he's got space and time and just runs at places, thats when he's deadly, shut him off, put him in tight spaces, you nulify his strengths, which is= SPACE. Blades of grass to sink his his big size 12 T90's into and run.

Fernando is niether comfortable with the ball either, this links into Ball retention which I've explained. Cut the space off, he's fucked.

His first touch is like an on and off button, when it's on it's good, when it's off, it's awful, he loses the ball to much because of his first touch with his back to defenders. It's the first touch that kills him. Also links in with his close control, like an on and off switch.

Again, I've never once stated Fernando Torres is a bad player. I will always respect him as a striker, he's a phenominal goal scorer and will contiue to score a lot of goals under Chelsea I believe.

RVP = Better player.
Torres = Goal Scorer.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:RVP is a better player and a better goalscorer.

If Injuries haven't hampered him, he'd have much more goals then Torres.

edit: Also, RVP does much more for the team then Torres. Torres waits for the ball and his teammates most of the time I see him.

Do you think. so why has Torres scored more goals for minutes played than any player in the premiership.

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:RVP is a better player and a better goalscorer.

If Injuries haven't hampered him, he'd have much more goals then Torres.

edit: Also, RVP does much more for the team then Torres. Torres waits for the ball and his teammates most of the time I see him.

Do you think. so why has Torres scored more goals for minutes played than any player in the premiership.

Because RVP does more then just score goals for Arsenal

RVP better player overall. Torres better striker and pure goalscorer.

blackskar wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:RVP is a better player and a better GOAL SCORER.

If Injuries haven't hampered him, he'd have much more GOALS then Torres.

edit: Also, RVP does much more for the team then Torres. Torres waits for the ball and his teammates most of the time I see him.

Do you think. so why has Torres scored more goals for minutes played than any player in the premiership.

Because RVP does more then just score goals for Arsenal

Read what i said and read what i replied to its in BOLD GOALS and GOAL SCORER

Merked

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

blackskar wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:RVP is a better player and a better GOAL SCORER.

If Injuries haven't hampered him, he'd have much more GOALS then Torres.

edit: Also, RVP does much more for the team then Torres. Torres waits for the ball and his teammates most of the time I see him.

Do you think. so why has Torres scored more goals for minutes played than any player in the premiership.

Because RVP does more then just score goals for Arsenal

Read what i said and read what i replied to its in BOLD GOALS and GOAL SCORER

Bad evidence. Torres gets more chances because he doesn't involve himself in the build up whereas RVP does. RVP spends more time further away from the goal then he does near it. Maybe if you compared goals per shots inside the 18 yard box then that would be a good comparison as to who is the better goalscorer.

RVP may be the better overall player but goals win you matches and Torres has it in abundance. If I had a blank team sheet and could pick any player to put upfront in the world it would be judas. His record is just phenomenal.

Shots/Goals Ratio Torres 0.21

Shots/Goals Ratio RVP 0.14


http://www.premierleague.com/page/Head2Head/0,,12306~38242~22171,00.html?s1=2009&t1=402&s2=2009&t2=391

So Torres is marginally better according to that. Is that all shots though, or is that 18 yards and below. Don't think you can factor long shots into it because thats not what goalscorers do.

James wrote:

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blackskar wrote:

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:RVP is a better player and a better GOAL SCORER.

If Injuries haven't hampered him, he'd have much more GOALS then Torres.

edit: Also, RVP does much more for the team then Torres. Torres waits for the ball and his teammates most of the time I see him.

Do you think. so why has Torres scored more goals for minutes played than any player in the premiership.

Because RVP does more then just score goals for Arsenal

Read what i said and read what i replied to its in BOLD GOALS and GOAL SCORER

Bad evidence. Torres gets more chances because he doesn't involve himself in the build up whereas RVP does. RVP spends more time further away from the goal then he does near it. Maybe if you compared goals per shots inside the 18 yard box then that would be a good comparison as to who is the better goalscorer.

Well as the records says Torres is a better Goal scorer and it says for Games per minute he is as good as any Goal scorer in the Premiership. So thats what im saying and if you want to argue with that you go ahead, Van.Persie is a better all round player but Torres is a better Goal scorer.

Polska, you talk some serious shit.

Torres is a better goal scorer then RvP. Fact.