The Atheist Thread

menalawyerguy wrote:

polska. wrote:Anyway, my history professor told my class on the first day of highschool that history is subjective. History is diluted. History is the account of the person who wrote or referenced it, and thus is biased and can in some cases be ignorant of the truth, and that everytime you read a verse of history, you must be open and subject it to your own criticism and come up with your own conclusive opinions.

All I ask from you Ahly, and anyone else who partakes in these discussions, is to be exactly that. Critical of everything you read and critical of everything you believe. If you don't be, then you are a zealot.

Me and RR are just applying criticism to some religious 'facts' and coming to our own conclusions. If you wish to debate our criticism then by all means do so! I just wish for you to analyze and consider our criticism first. Ahly, you are an intelligent guy, I've known that about you for a long time, Allah would have wanted you to use your brain for exactly this purpose, why else would he create humans as intelligent sentient beings?

It's interesting that in a thread called "The Atheist Thread," it seems most of the time has been spent debating Abrahamic religions. What about atheists? Do you believe we all share a common ancestral self-replicating single cell that was zapped into existence by a random chemical reaction?

Milano wrote:Why do people care what other people think or believe? Stop trying to tell each other there is a god or isn't. Let them do what they want to

polska. wrote:

menalawyerguy wrote:

It's interesting that in a thread called "The Atheist Thread," it seems most of the time has been spent debating Abrahamic religions. What about atheists? Do you believe we all share a common ancestral self-replicating single cell that was zapped into existence by a random chemical reaction?

Like I said somewhere on here, we can create aminoacids by replicating the chemical conditions of earth soon after it's formation, and adding an electrical current through it. We've been able to do that since the 1960's.

There is also the theory that the building blocks were available on comets (the solar system was highly active comet and asteroid wise back then) and when a comet smashed into the earth, it created enough heat and pressure to turn aminoacids into proteins or something other.

I am no expert on this field though, just basing on what I learned in high school years ago.

Personally I like the comet theory better, it makes more sense and would mean that life can start in any viable planet a similar comet smashes into.

polska. wrote:

Milano wrote:Why do people care what other people think or believe? Stop trying to tell each other there is a god or isn't. Let them do what they want to

I don't care what people believe. I care about what people teach their children before they are old enough to even comprehend and decide for themselves what they want to believe in.

Milano wrote:

polska. wrote:I don't care what people believe. I care about what people teach their children before they are old enough to even comprehend and decide for themselves what they want to believe in.

Well people are going to teach their children their culture which includes religon. The child will grow old enough one day and will make a descion on their own. Unless your talking about religous studies in school? I disagree with learning about religon in school.

menalawyerguy wrote:Why? When you say "learning about religion," do you mean being taught about how to conduct their faith? If so, I agree. But learning about religion includes the historical examination of religion, specific religions and how they shaped the world. A European history class would be impossible if we didn't learn about the religions of Europe.

ahlycotc wrote:Who cares if children are taught religion? One day they will be old enough to make their own decision. Why is it OK to teach children there is no God, but it's wrong to teach them there is one. Neither side can prove 100% that their views are correct. Some atheists are just so damn intolerant.

MickStupp wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Who cares if children are taught religion? One day they will be old enough to make their own decision. Why is it OK to teach children there is no God, but it's wrong to teach them there is one. Neither side can prove 100% that their views are correct. Some atheists are just so damn intolerant.

The problem is that some/most are teaching them as if it is fact - and by the time they are in their teens, they've believed in a god for as long as they can remember so their mind is already made up. Of course, some children are sceptical and end up atheists and some people even convert to another religion.
From a personal point of view I just dislike the notion that people are taught that faith is a virtue.

SBSP wrote:Alright, what's wrong if the kids believe in a God? Do you actually think they will be that great a detriment to society? Stop being so close minded.

ahlycotc wrote:Religious extremism is detrimental to society, just like most extremist views.

The Bat-Man wrote:TO HELL WITH ALL OF YOU!!

Coatsy wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:TO HELL WITH ALL OF YOU!!

I look forward to it.



Oh wait it doesn't exist.

menalawyerguy wrote:

MickStupp wrote:
The problem is that some/most are teaching them as if it is fact - and by the time they are in their teens, they've believed in a god for as long as they can remember so their mind is already made up. Of course, some children are sceptical and end up atheists and some people even convert to another religion.
From a personal point of view I just dislike the notion that people are taught that faith is a virtue.

Faith is all anybody has, though. Believing god exists requires faith, but so does believing god doesn't exist. Believing we all share a common ancestral microbe requires faith just like the belief in a creator requires faith.

SBSP wrote:You cannot be 100% sure that God doesn't exist.

SBSP wrote:You cannot be 100% sure that God doesn't exist.

The Bat-Man wrote:You can't disprove God, just like you couldn't disprove gravity, just because you can't disprove antimatter, it's there, but we're just not looking in the right places for it.

Faith isn't blind, faith is looking at the facts from a perspective.

Roloman4 wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:You can't disprove God, just like you couldn't disprove gravity, just because you can't disprove antimatter, it's there, but we're just not looking in the right places for it.

Faith isn't blind, faith is looking at the facts from a perspective.

Faith is ignoring facts and following an unfounded belief.

The Bat-Man wrote:You can't disprove God, just like you couldn't disprove gravity, just because you can't disprove antimatter, it's there, but we're just not looking in the right places for it.

Faith isn't blind, faith is looking at the facts from a perspective.

Roloman4 wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:You can't disprove God, just like you couldn't disprove gravity, just because you can't disprove antimatter, it's there, but we're just not looking in the right places for it.

Faith isn't blind, faith is looking at the facts from a perspective.

Faith is ignoring facts and following an unfounded belief.