The Atheist Thread

There is no God.

Discuss.




Actually a question I had on my GCSE RS paper, got an A* on that question - so ask away.

It's most likely. There being a God is as likely as some flying Spaghetti monster existing and being the ultimate ruler (in fact the Spaghetti monster would actually exist and be real matter and not some invisible thing so it's probably more likely).

In the end saying "There is no God" like it's fact is pushing it when we can't prove it. It's perfectly logical and sane to assume there is no God because there's no real reason to believe that there is...except that there's such a slim chance that I could sit here for years typing 0.000000000000......and not get to a small enough chance.

Proof of God:

It's more likely something we will never be able to comprehend and the fact that the Bible and religion is man made and an excuse to wage war, makes me not want to believe in 'The governments or high personals' so called 'God' but I find myself believing sometimes in something extraterrestrial or 'godly' when odd or perhaps 'godly' or 'coincidental' things happen when you pray ect.

Also if you are planning on pointing out the extraterrestrial part then answer me this, "What is the difference between believing in Aliens and a all powerful being that made us for his/her own amusement?" and no I don't believe in Scientology LOL.

I'm agnostic.

There is a god. His name is Brian Clough.

Father Christmas is more plausible

Problem Christianity?

All you need to know about our species and existence.

Ryan wrote:I'm agnostic.

Isn't that a type of triangle?.

God doesn't exist. Period.

You're all going to Hell.


















Jokes.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:You're all going to Hell.


















Jokes.

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

Keep telling yourself that.

Wait a second, WTF am I doing in this thread?

Agnostic leaning towards atheism.

God who?

The argument of "if there is a God, why can't I see him" is flawed. Faith is based on believing something that you don't outright see. Life is also full of tests. Those tests would be irrelevant if everyone believed and everyone would be ranked the same without differentiation on their faith and actions.

And who said there isn't proof of God? There are several proofs of God around us, it's whether you believe in them or not that's the real question. It would be unfair of God to expect us to believe in him without any clues. God is not a human, so seeing him to believe is not the same as seeing another human to believe.

The thing is, I don't think atheists really care if there is proof or not. In the past, prophets performed miracles to people and some of them still disbelieved. Perhaps people don't want to believe because religion somewhat restricts their life, puts consequences on their actions, etc. Obviously it would be much easier and enjoyable to do whatever you want without any consequences of an afterlife.

From my experience with people asking of proof of God is that they will deny it and find any excuse to not see it as a proof. So what's the point of asking for something that you know you will object before you see it?

In the past, prophets performed miracles to people and some of them still disbelieved.

Miracles like what?

Back to the thread, I don't believe in any god for various reasons, don't really care about those who do as long as they don't try to press it on me either. Just reallllly indifferent when it comes to religion.

Tbh, the reason I believe there is no God is because my Aunt gave birth to a stillborn child a couple of years ago. Now, even before then, I had my doubts over any existance, but always thought there might be something there. But, for something that small, that innocent to not be given the chance to live, to not even have had one breath, one second of life outside the womb for me is just the worst possible thing imaginable.

It made me wonder 'If there is a God, how could he/she deny something so innocent the chance of a life?'

Don't give me any of that 'Everything happens for a reason' bullshit I've heard so many times of Christians round here - because I see no good reason to deny that child a chance of life, my family the chance to know that little child and force the parents to bury one of their own children.

That, in itself proves to me that there is no all-loving, all-knowing Almighty up above us in the Sky - because no God would allow something like that to happen.

dena wrote:

In the past, prophets performed miracles to people and some of them still disbelieved.

Miracles like what?

Back to the thread, I don't believe in any god for various reasons, don't really care about those who do as long as they don't try to press it on me either. Just reallllly indifferent when it comes to religion.

I'm sure you have heard of at least one of the many miracles performed by prophets. Examples include splitting of the Red Sea, making inanimate objects talk, reviving people from the dead, splitting the moon and rejoining it, etc.

Dan wrote:Tbh, the reason I believe there is no God is because my Aunt gave birth to a stillborn child a couple of years ago. Now, even before then, I had my doubts over any existance, but always thought there might be something there. But, for something that small, that innocent to not be given the chance to live, to not even have had one breath, one second of life outside the womb for me is just the worst possible thing imaginable.

It made me wonder 'If there is a God, how could he/she deny something so innocent the chance of a life?'

Don't give me any of that 'Everything happens for a reason' bullshit I've heard so many times of Christians round here - because I see no good reason to deny that child a chance of life, my family the chance to know that little child and force the parents to bury one of their own children.

That, in itself proves to me that there is no all-loving, all-knowing Almighty up above us in the Sky - because no God would allow something like that to happen.

Well everything does happen for a reason. How do you know what life that child would have lived had he kept on living? What if that child became bad and caused his family more harm? And surely burying your child at an older age is much harder than burying him so young that you didn't have a chance to be attached to him. To be honest, I wish I died before living several years in this world. Besides the fact that I would go straight to heaven, I wouldn't have to live in this world full of hate, difficulty, etc. You are only looking at the negatives attached with an event. Have you thought to yourself that something happened for a good cause in the end? Let's say you miss your flight. Instead of saying why did God let me miss an important flight, why not ask yourself what if that plane crashed? It's impossible for us to see the reasoning for things until they develop.

The following is an Islamic response to your question...
http://sites.google.com/site/muslimanswers/Home/god-is-merciful

I don't believe in god because of pure and simple logic, nothing at all adds up or makes sense in Christianity. There is literally a 99.999999999999% chance in there actually being some sort of god.

JMB_94 wrote:I don't believe in god because of pure and simple logic, nothing at all adds up or makes sense in Christianity. There is literally a 99.999999999999% chance in there actually being some sort of god.

ahlycotc wrote:

Dan wrote:Tbh, the reason I believe there is no God is because my Aunt gave birth to a stillborn child a couple of years ago. Now, even before then, I had my doubts over any existance, but always thought there might be something there. But, for something that small, that innocent to not be given the chance to live, to not even have had one breath, one second of life outside the womb for me is just the worst possible thing imaginable.

It made me wonder 'If there is a God, how could he/she deny something so innocent the chance of a life?'

Don't give me any of that 'Everything happens for a reason' bullshit I've heard so many times of Christians round here - because I see no good reason to deny that child a chance of life, my family the chance to know that little child and force the parents to bury one of their own children.

That, in itself proves to me that there is no all-loving, all-knowing Almighty up above us in the Sky - because no God would allow something like that to happen.

Well everything does happen for a reason. How do you know what life that child would have lived had he kept on living? What if that child became bad and caused his family more harm? And surely burying your child at an older age is much harder than burying him so young that you didn't have a chance to be attached to him. To be honest, I wish I died before living several years in this world. Besides the fact that I would go straight to heaven, I wouldn't have to live in this world full of hate, difficulty, etc. You are only looking at the negatives attached with an event. Have you thought to yourself that something happened for a good cause in the end? Let's say you miss your flight. Instead of saying why did God let me miss an important flight, why not ask yourself what if that plane crashed? It's impossible for us to see the reasoning for things until they develop.

The following is an Islamic response to your question...
http://sites.google.com/site/muslimanswers/Home/god-is-merciful

That's a pretty sick thing to say to justify your belief in God. Whether you believe that or not, it's pretty disrespectful to say it to him.




Anyway, I've found myself unknowingly becoming athiest. I've started seeing God etc on par with Father Christmas.

I realised this when a thought just popped up in my head thinking "Why do they believe in God, are they simple or just doing it for their kids?". It was in response to a program or something.

Humans are naturally power-hungry. You see it everywhere, not just in religion, people will make up positions of power just so they can fill them. It's just seems more logical that there is no god.

Take Scientology for example. A new "religion" which has gained a massive following. Once again, it's story can not be proven. And although it's story seems laughable, does it seem much more laughable than the other religions? I mean we've grown accustomed to the concept of "Angels" and such, so when you say "An angel (a flying person with feathery wings, and flames or a bright light around them, and a halo) visited Mary" or whatever, you think "Oh I've heard of an angel, it's plausible" but it's not. And it's not far from the concept of Aliens in Scientology.


Almost every religion has a person of high power and riches, who live the life of luxury, like the Pope etc. I don't think that's a coincidence.

ahlycotc wrote:

Dan wrote:Tbh, the reason I believe there is no God is because my Aunt gave birth to a stillborn child a couple of years ago. Now, even before then, I had my doubts over any existance, but always thought there might be something there. But, for something that small, that innocent to not be given the chance to live, to not even have had one breath, one second of life outside the womb for me is just the worst possible thing imaginable.

It made me wonder 'If there is a God, how could he/she deny something so innocent the chance of a life?'

Don't give me any of that 'Everything happens for a reason' bullshit I've heard so many times of Christians round here - because I see no good reason to deny that child a chance of life, my family the chance to know that little child and force the parents to bury one of their own children.

That, in itself proves to me that there is no all-loving, all-knowing Almighty up above us in the Sky - because no God would allow something like that to happen.

Well everything does happen for a reason. How do you know what life that child would have lived had he kept on living? What if that child became bad and caused his family more harm? And surely burying your child at an older age is much harder than burying him so young that you didn't have a chance to be attached to him. To be honest, I wish I died before living several years in this world. Besides the fact that I would go straight to heaven, I wouldn't have to live in this world full of hate, difficulty, etc. You are only looking at the negatives attached with an event. Have you thought to yourself that something happened for a good cause in the end? Let's say you miss your flight. Instead of saying why did God let me miss an important flight, why not ask yourself what if that plane crashed? It's impossible for us to see the reasoning for things until they develop.

The following is an Islamic response to your question...
http://sites.google.com/site/muslimanswers/Home/god-is-merciful

No offence, but none of that washes with me. With Christianity, people are always given chances to prove themselves, to make right from wrong. That child never got the chance to do anything, let alone make the wrong decisions in life. And to me, regardless of what age they are, I can think of nothing worse, more painful than having to bury your own child. I was at the funeral, I saw my Uncle, my Aunt, my cousins completely and utterly unconsolable. They aren't the same, they never will be. A part of them is missing - the member of their family that never got the chance to join them. I will never be the same, I can't even think about that day without having to force back the tears. It's something I wouldn't wish on anybody - and how a God can allow that to happen proves to me that there is no all-loving being watching over us.

And, the example of you missing a plane is completely different to giving birth to a stillborn child. It's your fault you missed the plane, you are in control of your life. You have no control over the life of that child while it's in the womb, and to me, if there is a God - then every child would have a chance of life. In the eyes of Christians, all life is precious, all children are innocent - so there is no good reason at all, in my opinion, for that child to be denied a chance of life. And for a 'God' to allow that makes me believe there is nothing there at all.


It's my opinion, it's why I'm an atheist. And no offence, but there is nothing you can say that will change my mind.

I'm sure you have heard of at least one of the many miracles performed by prophets. Examples include splitting of the Red Sea, making inanimate objects talk, reviving people from the dead, splitting the moon and rejoining it, etc.

Splitting the moon? Never heard of that one, would also cause massive problems with the Earth's tidal err... structure (can't find the right word) would it not? And the splitting of the Red Sea is in the Bible, which I do not believe.

mac wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:I don't believe in god because of pure and simple logic, nothing at all adds up or makes sense in Christianity. There is literally a 99.999999999999% chance in there actually being some sort of god.

I'm not basing that on satistics, it's just my estimate on the existence of god using logic.

ahlycotc wrote:The argument of "if there is a God, why can't I see him" is flawed. Faith is based on believing something that you don't outright see. Life is also full of tests. Those tests would be irrelevant if everyone believed and everyone would be ranked the same without differentiation on their faith and actions.

And who said there isn't proof of God? There are several proofs of God around us, it's whether you believe in them or not that's the real question. It would be unfair of God to expect us to believe in him without any clues. God is not a human, so seeing him to believe is not the same as seeing another human to believe.

The thing is, I don't think atheists really care if there is proof or not. In the past, prophets performed miracles to people and some of them still disbelieved. Perhaps people don't want to believe because religion somewhat restricts their life, puts consequences on their actions, etc. Obviously it would be much easier and enjoyable to do whatever you want without any consequences of an afterlife.

From my experience with people asking of proof of God is that they will deny it and find any excuse to not see it as a proof. So what's the point of asking for something that you know you will object before you see it?

Miracles? Unproven. Proof? No proof.......

I can write in a book that some sheep jumped off a mountain and then through a miracle grew magic wings and survived but that doesn't mean there is a God

What do you mean

what's the point of asking for something that you know you will object before you see it?

........? Everything is the point with that? Why would you believe in something for no reason?

Atheists care if there is proof or not......I can guarantee you everyone cares about it....who wouldn't want to live an afterlife in paradise? The point isn't about wanting it or not.....the point is about whether it's real or not. There's no proof to show that this

In the past, prophets performed miracles to people and some of them still disbelieved. Perhaps people don't want to believe because religion somewhat restricts their life, puts consequences on their actions, etc. Obviously it would be much easier and enjoyable to do whatever you want without any consequences of an afterlife.

TBH I think it's more about religious people being gullible, having false hope and being scared of death. Obviously it's a lot easier to make yourself believe that when you die and your body rots you'll actually be up in Heaven with your hookers eating ice cream.

posted in wrong thread

dena wrote:posted in wrong thread

I was just about to say

Luxz0rz wrote:TBH I think it's more about religious people being gullible, having false hope and being scared of death. Obviously it's a lot easier to make yourself believe that when you die and your body rots you'll actually be up in Heaven with your hookers eating ice cream.

The ignorance there is overwhelming.