Strikers are not attackers - Let's settle this

Since Arise brought it up, it has became sort of a meme here.

You do realize that there are various different types of Forwards right? Different forwards have different jobs and roles to play.

Some forwards(poachers) wait for the ball from an attacking player, such as an attacking midfielder/midfielder pushing up, a winger, or their supporting partner Forward, before striking/shooting the ball at the back of the net.

These type of forwards aren't really doing any attacking at all. Their partnering forward or teammate are. They are just waiting for the ball in the box.

Good examples of these type of players include Szarmach (one of Poland's best players in history, who was brutally guilty of what I described), Trezeguet and Fillipo Inzaghi.

I do believe this is what Arise meant, and not that forwards in general are not attackers.

When you have the ball you attack the opposition's goal. When you don't have the ball you defend your own goal.

The-Reporter wrote:When you have the ball you attack the opposition's goal. When you don't have the ball you defend your own goal.

We are discussing individual players roles, not the teams roles.

@Mena, i'd rather just settle it so we don't have to do this again.

I anticpate a swift and universally accepted resolution to this issue as a result of this thread.




































Either that or an out and out flame fest.

We will never come to an amicable decision tbh

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:We will never come to an amicable decision tbh

This.

This is like arguing that America should give the land back to the Indians. Just not gonna happen.

We should just accept the status quo. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the known universe considers them attackers; arise doesn't. We're not going to change either "group."

James ... Your Ava

I'll settle this.


Poachers - they don't always just have one shot to shoot. Every poacher will have contributed to the attacking phase outside of scoring the goal. 100% certain Inzaghi and Trezeguet have had an assist in his life therefore they helped with the attack.

The other types of forwards are attackers because they contribute to the attacking phase.

Now close this thread because I just answered it.

Can't think of too many true pochers to be honest, and the ones that are still around are on their way out.

BigPoppaSmurf wrote:Can't think of too many true pochers to be honest, and the ones that are still around are on their way out.

"true poachers" don't exist and never have. If this was the case then the only time they touch the ball would be when they have a shot, this isn't the case though.


Also to add onto my other post, even if they don't contribute to the build up by making a pass, making a run is contributing to the attacking phase.

James wrote:I'll settle this.


Poachers - they don't always just have one shot to shoot. Every poacher will have contributed to the attacking phase outside of scoring the goal. 100% certain Inzaghi and Trezeguet have had an assist in his life therefore they helped with the attack.

The other types of forwards are attackers because they contribute to the attacking phase.

Now close this thread because I just answered it.

That sums up what 99.99999999999999999% of us think. Good luck convincing the other 0.0000000000000000000000001% of us.

Whats so fucking hard. Strikers are attackers because they attack the opposition goal and try to score in it. It doesnt matter a fuck if they poach, theyre still attcking the opposition goal. Strikers are attackers. End of. Only a stupid yank like Arise would think otherwise and after some of the complete and utter pishe ive seen him post here and on the EA forums it seems like that guy would argue against his own shadow to be proven correct

I can see this being one of these 20 page long threads

North_Sea_Tiger wrote:Whats so fucking hard. Strikers are attackers because they attack the opposition goal and try to score in it. It doesnt matter a fuck if they poach, theyre still attcking the opposition goal. Strikers are attackers. End of. Only a fat stupid yank like Arise would think otherwise and after some of the complete and utter pishe ive seen him post here and on the EA forums it seems like that guy would argue against his own shadow to be proven correct

Corrected for thoroughness.


Agree 100%.

Trust Arise to complicate even the simplest of things.

All strikers are attackers ffs.

menalawyerguy wrote:

North_Sea_Tiger wrote:Whats so fucking hard. Strikers are attackers because they attack the opposition goal and try to score in it. It doesnt matter a fuck if they poach, theyre still attcking the opposition goal. Strikers are attackers. End of. Only a fat stupid yank like Arise would think otherwise and after some of the complete and utter pishe ive seen him post here and on the EA forums it seems like that guy would argue against his own shadow to be proven correct

Corrected for thoroughness.


Agree 100%.

Thank you my man. Knew I had missed something out

Every time I look at your sig I fucking want a Big Mac

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:Every time I look at your sig I fucking what a Big Mac

Lol its given me the crave as well sometimes. Prefer a double Whopper from the King tho

Sucks for you guys then, because us Yanks already ate them all.

James wrote:I'll settle this.


Poachers - they don't always just have one shot to shoot. Every poacher will have contributed to the attacking phase outside of scoring the goal. 100% certain Inzaghi and Trezeguet have had an assist in his life therefore they helped with the attack.

The other types of forwards are attackers because they contribute to the attacking phase.

Now close this thread because I just answered it.

Wow, a serious James post. You deserve a rare serious Polska post in response.

Obviously poachers can contribute to the attack phase in general. Their movements make defenders follow them, which opens up space for movement of the other attackers and helps create situations.

But that is different. That is individual tactics set up by a manager in addition to the intelligence of the player himself. That doesn't have to do with the individual sole role of the poacher, it is in addition to it. Besides, this isn't really attacking, it is helping the attack yes. The actual attacking would be carried off by the attackers (AMC's, high pushing MC's, partner forwards, wingers).

Obviously Inzaghi and Terzeguet have had assists in their lives, many in fact. A poacher isn't necessarily someone who scores a goal, more of often then not it is someone in that "position" whom can make that easy pass in addition to scoring. As well as during plays if someone is off position, these players may have to sometimes carry the attack themselves rather than doing their poacher role. This type of stuff isn't 100%.

Also someone mentioned that there are less poachers nowadays. I have noticed this too, I believe it is the change of the trend of tactics. Teams now want to overload the midfield in 4-5-1 formations, and 4-5-1 formations kills 4-4-2's (Think Germany vs England in WC), and a poacher in a 4-5-1 isn't really optimal. In the upcoming decades I am sure when 4-4-2's are more popular again, the poacher will come back into relevancy.

menalawyerguy wrote:Sucks for you guys then, because us Yanks already ate them all.

Cunts



Yum Yum ...

North-Sea-Tiger and The-Reporter are correct.

I have used that against him though, he just replies with "You just don't understand the point I was trying to make". Even though I explained his point better than he did on numerous occasions.

Ryan wrote:North-Sea-Tiger and The-Reporter are correct.

I have used that against him though, he just replies with "You just don't understand the point I was trying to make". Even though I explained his point better than he did on numerous occasions.

Yea well, you just don't understand the strategy O'Shea was trying to use in your sig. Like Arise, there's a genius to his madness.

You just don't understand my balls.

Get to know them better.

Surely if you contribute to an attack then you are attacking and at that time will be classed as an attacker.

Either way this topic is irrelevant because every player defends and every player attacks therefore every player can be classed as an attacker and a defender.

Also Polska, if a poacher is going to do something additional then surely that doesn't make him a poacher?

Ryan wrote:You just don't understand my balls.

Get to know them better.

Put them on a Big Mac or Whopper and then we'll talk.

James wrote:Surely if you contribute to an attack then you are attacking and at that time will be classed as an attacker.

Either way this topic is irrelevant because every player defends and every player attacks therefore every player can be classed as an attacker and a defender.

Also Polska, if a poacher is going to do something additional then surely that doesn't make him a poacher?

Ofcourse players help out with different roles.

But we're talking about their primary role. A manager doesn't tell a defender, "Don't care about stopping the opposition today, I just want you getting goals and setting them up." Just as the manager won't tell a striker, "Don't care about getting goals today, I just want you stopping the opposition." And scoring a goal is attacking.