Premier League match discussion thread | 2014/15

Sean wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

Yes, the reason was ageing players and an owner that refused to invest. I think that's been proven by how much of a shambles Inter have become. If anything it's been proven that Benitez overachieved.

How are you going to compare a club side that plays every 3-4 days with a total of maybe 60-70 games a season to an international team that will play a respectable opponent maybe 2-3 times every 2 years  Just stop.    

No I mean there is a reason why Benitez has never been offered any of the top jobs around, except when there is a complete dearth of options i.e. Chelsea. I mean Napoli are hardly doing great this season.

What on Earth does how regularly a team play have to do with what we're talking about? Its not like Im talking about Del Bosque's record in the qualifiers, the man won 2 international competitions for God sake. The point was that its very easy to look at a great side and say that they could run themselves so I pointed out an instant where that was claimed and then proven wrong.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:David Moyes took over a team that had won 5 of the last 7 league titles, the most recent in dominating fashion, and managed to completely fuck it up.  It's not like managers don't make a difference.

Luck wasn't with him and we weren't in Europe. If Houllier had left Liverpool in seventh Benitez would have done nothing in his first season either.

Van Gaal is rebuilding a team, we are going to finish above where Benitez did in his first season.

Benitez overachieved at Inter, God almighty.

Gabriele Marcotti wrote:Giovanni Trapattoni's view is along the same lines, with the caveat that a bad manager can really screw things up no matter how good the side is.

"A good coach who gets everything right can make a team maybe 5 percent better," he said. "A bad one can make it 30 percent worse. Sometimes more."

Sean wrote:Its the same with Spain and Del Bosque. Yes Del Bosque had great foundations to do well with, but to suggest Benitez would do the same job is just laughable.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He took Treble winners and put them in mid table.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Saying he didn't fail because of the trophy he won is like saying Moyes > Van Gaal because Moyes won the Community Shield and Van Gaal didn't - completely retarded.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Then again you have been arguing Moyes' quality relative to Van Gaal all season, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the next thing you came out with.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He only won trophies at Inter because of Jose Mourinho's hard work.

Keyser Söze wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Then again you have been arguing Moyes' quality relative to Van Gaal all season, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the next thing you came out with.

  We've really gotten to you with this Moyes vs van Gaal comparison. Most United fans brush it off for what it is but it's really rattled you. Fucking hell, even Viva rises above it  

Keyser Söze wrote:What a fucking stupid post.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He took Treble winners and put them in mid table.

I know you don't watch any football outside of United so I'll enlighten you a little. Inter were and have proven to be a club in decline, when Benítez left they were 7th with two games in hand. He left because he made a public outburst asking Moratti to buy in January or he'd walk, up until this point Moratti had backed him but he could no longer do so after Benítez publicly undermined him. Benítez has subsequently been proven correct, with Inter not moving on the dead wood quickly enough and instead having to spend heavily just to achieve mid table superiority      

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Saying he didn't fail because of the trophy he won is like saying Moyes > Van Gaal because Moyes won the Community Shield and Van Gaal didn't - completely retarded.

I know you've intentionally omitted addressing my primary reason for saying Benítez didn't fail because you have no rebuttal to it, but I'll repeat it just incase it was an oversight. Inter were and are a club in decline and Benítez did the best with what he had, as proven by the fact he has a higher win % than the average of the 6 managers that have preceded him. I mentioned trophies as a secondary point to show that Benítez has success covered on both front.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Then again you have been arguing Moyes' quality relative to Van Gaal all season, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the next thing you came out with.

  We've really gotten to you with this Moyes vs van Gaal comparison. Most United fans brush it off for what it is but it's really rattled you. Fucking hell, even Viva rises above it  

ResurrectionRooney wrote:He only won trophies at Inter because of Jose Mourinho's hard work.

That's more than Jose managed to do with Benítez's hard work

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Moratti was going to fire him anyway. He said he'd walk if he wasn't back to save face, you weren't supposed to believe it.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The two managers who preceded him won about 5 consecutive league titles, his successors had a lower win percentage because while he was following on from the greatest manager in the world they were succeeding a mediocre manager who had done nothing to improve the team and had only caused massive division, the same as he does at every fucking club he goes to.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Say something retarded, see it debunked, "LOL we really got to you".  At what point do you do the same about rating Benitez above Del Bosque?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Too right, that's because Benitez was building a monument to his own stupidity on foundations of rock left by Mourinho at Inter whereas Mourinho was repairing a seriously damaged club at Chelsea, much like Van Gaal is doing now at United.

Keyser Söze wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Moratti was going to fire him anyway. He said he'd walk if he wasn't back to save face, you weren't supposed to believe it.

That's just a lie. Moratti backed him like 1 week before Benítez's outburst, after Benitez publicly said he was to backed or leave then Moratti had to sack him. I thinking it's telling that Inter fans were very sympathetic of the environment Benítez worked under and were pretty supportive especially since they've turned on every manager since.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The two managers who preceded him won about 5 consecutive league titles, his successors had a lower win percentage because while he was following on from the greatest manager in the world they were succeeding a mediocre manager who had done nothing to improve the team and had only caused massive division, the same as he does at every fucking club he goes to.

Not sure what you don't understand by Inter being in decline when Benitez took over, anything that happened before is pointless. That's universally acknowledged, it's not even debatable. If you're not going to concede that then we should just stop addressing this point because you're just embarrassing yourself.      

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Too right, that's because Benitez was building a monument to his own stupidity on foundations of rock left by Mourinho at Inter whereas Mourinho was repairing a seriously damaged club at Chelsea, much like Van Gaal is doing now at United.

Rafa set Jose up for a trophy and he fucked it up, so I guess it can't be as easy as you say  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10277626/Bayern-Munich-2-Chelsea-2-aet-Bayern-win-5-4-on-pens-match-report.html

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Which Inter fans are these?  I read fan forums at the time and they fucking hated him.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Of course they're in fucking decline, how can you not be in decline from the ultimate victory?  The job of a manager at a team like that is to make the decline as slow and short as possible, much like Guardiola is doing at Bayern, much like Ferguson did after 1999 and 2008.

Glen Miller wrote:Why is the English media crediting Welbeck's performance to Harry Kane?  Welbz is always good for England, but apparently he is only playing well because of the incredible competition Kane is offering.  Harry Kane is rapidly becoming one of the more unsavoury characters in football through no fault of his own.

Free_Mustache_Rides wrote:

Glen Miller wrote:Why is the English media crediting Welbeck's performance to Harry Kane?  Welbz is always good for England, but apparently he is only playing well because of the incredible competition Kane is offering.  Harry Kane is rapidly becoming one of the more unsavoury characters in football through no fault of his own.

Every NT needs it's Chicharito. They need a media darling. Someone, handsome, polite, enthusiastic, hardworking, and charming that will make the country fall in love with him. If he can bang in a goal or two the better. England may have a handful of talented footballers but almost all of them seem to have serious character flaws or play for clubs that are hated by too many other football fans to ever really get behind of.

Just a sill idea that came to my head though, this is probably not the case.