The advocate general of the European Court of Justice has come out in favour of pubs using foreign satellite feeds to provide coverage for football fans.
In what could be a major blow to the FA Premier League and its live broadcasters Sky and ESPN, Advocate General Julianne Kokott says the use of decoder cards should not be restricted to one country within the EU, as this would "partition the internal market" – against the ethos of the European Union.
“The marketing of broadcasting rights on the basis of territorial exclusivity is tantamount to profiting from the elimination of the internal market,” she said.
“Consequently, the specific subject-matter of the rights in the transmission of football matches does not justify a partitioning of the internal market, and thus also does not justify the resulting restriction of the freedom to provide services.”
SATURDAY WINDOW
The news could have huge ramifications on UK football. Premier League matches are broadcast live in several countries but not in the UK during a Saturday-afternoon window, in order to protect attendance figures at grounds throughout the league pyramid.
These foreign broadcasts are easily obtainable via satellite and several pubs openly flout the ruling. Hampshire publican Karen Murphy is currently in court fighting the ruling, and it is from this case that the latest developments have emerged.
The statement is "not binding on the Court of Justice" and the ECJ judges will now retire to consider their own verdicts on the case. They are expected to give their ruling later this year, at which point the UK High Court will discuss how to incorporate the European ruling.
The Premier League will release a statement later today and are expected to fight any overturning of the current ruling. However, the biggest effects could be felt further down the leagues, with attendances facing a severe threat from the presence of live top-flight football in pubs.
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Mal-
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Foreign satellite
Sean-
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Doesn't this already happen?
Mal-
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It's illegal right now.
Sean-
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But most pubs do it anyhow
I thought they were gonna allow matches to be shown on Sky on Saturday afternoons
I thought they were gonna allow matches to be shown on Sky on Saturday afternoons
Mal-
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Pubs do it illegally. It will be legal, meaning a lot more will. If you can't get to the game it makes life so much easier.
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The pub nearest to me already has every City and United game on, I think it was pretty easy to get away with even if it was illegal.
Jamie-
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Triffic news.
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Yay! Saw this just on BBC News too.
Uncle John from Jamaica-
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Not many pubs round here do it. Would be great if they could, in Malia we went to this bar and it had some dodgy Arab satelite box and no joke there must have been about 25 different live games on. Was brilliant, we were trying to get Man U v Burnley on so we said 'Red, red!' and he put some random South American game on and walked off, my Man U supporting pal was irate and the other 17 of us were pissing ourselves! Then when he did get the right game Blake cracked in a screamer and we pissed ourselves some more.
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Local pub has a whole load of Arab channels to show all the games
Other local one showed El Classio on a small 20" screen whilst Irish football (or whatever it is) was on the projector
Other local one showed El Classio on a small 20" screen whilst Irish football (or whatever it is) was on the projector
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Why are you happy about it. This will now damage football attendances properly seeing as every pub will offer this service.
Lets all kill football shall we?
Nice to see you are all in favour of it though.
Lets all kill football shall we?
Nice to see you are all in favour of it though.
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James ♠ wrote:Why are you happy about it. This will now damage football attendances properly seeing as every pub will offer this service.
Lets all kill football shall we?
Nice to see you are all in favour of it though.
And in the process of lowering attendances, the prices will fall. Therefore, more people will go. Football is too fucking expensive.
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Dan wrote:James ♠ wrote:Why are you happy about it. This will now damage football attendances properly seeing as every pub will offer this service.
Lets all kill football shall we?
Nice to see you are all in favour of it though.
And in the process of lowering attendances, the prices will fall. Therefore, more people will go. Football is too fucking expensive.
Or.....less people going = more burden on fewer fans who do go to the games = higher prices.
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Luxz0rz wrote:Dan wrote:James ♠ wrote:Why are you happy about it. This will now damage football attendances properly seeing as every pub will offer this service.
Lets all kill football shall we?
Nice to see you are all in favour of it though.
And in the process of lowering attendances, the prices will fall. Therefore, more people will go. Football is too fucking expensive.
Or.....less people going = more burden on fewer fans who do go to the games = higher prices.
Higher demand, higher prices. Lower demand, lower prices. Supply and Demand Lux. Simple.
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Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.
Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.
Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.
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Let's pull our panties out of our ass cracks for a second. A binding decision from the court hasn't been made. This is just the advocate general popping off about the "ethos of the EU," whatever the fuck that flowery shit means. The court itself hasn't issued a decision.
Oh btw, I'm not UK lawyercunt, but even if the ECJ sides with the advocate general, I'd bet the courts in the UK or even the parliament would have to take some sort of affirmation of it in order to give it force in England. Long ways to go on this.
Oh btw, I'm not UK lawyercunt, but even if the ECJ sides with the advocate general, I'd bet the courts in the UK or even the parliament would have to take some sort of affirmation of it in order to give it force in England. Long ways to go on this.
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James ♠ wrote:Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.
Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.
It's not greed, it's incompetance from The FA, UEFA and FIFA. There should have been a cap on a limit to ticket prices. Clubs were always going to put their prices up, like I said to Lux, supply and demand. If there's a high demand, the price is high. It's illogical otherwise.
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Dan wrote:James ♠ wrote:Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.
Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.
It's not greed, it's incompetance from The FA, UEFA and FIFA. There should have been a cap on a limit to ticket prices. Clubs were always going to put their prices up, like I said to Lux, supply and demand. If there's a high demand, the price is high. It's illogical otherwise.
Or the alternative happens. People stop going to games and watch in pub instead. The only way these clubs can survive is by putting ticket prices up again, more decide against it, they raise prices again for the few that turn up and in the end no one goes and clubs go bust.
Either way, clubs are going to suffer. You all complain at me complaining about glory hunters but at least what i'm saying is true and logical. What I say is for the benefit of football. If you guys want a worldwide game with empty stadiums where the only income for a club is television revenue then so be it. But when that happens thats when football finally dies.
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James ♠ wrote:Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.
Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.
Why is European Satellite companies going to affect smaller clubs attendances?
You think people in Greece are paying to watch Hull on TV?
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Cornholio wrote:James ♠ wrote:Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.
Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.
Why is European Satellite companies going to affect smaller clubs attendances?
You think people in Greece are paying to watch Hull on TV?
Lower league fans will end up stop going to games and just watch at home or at the pub where they can watch higher quality football for cheaper then what they can watch their local team for.
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James wrote:Cornholio wrote:James wrote:Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.
Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.
Why is European Satellite companies going to affect smaller clubs attendances?
You think people in Greece are paying to watch Hull on TV?
Lower league fans will end up stop going to games and just watch at home or at the pub where they can watch higher quality football for cheaper then what they can watch their local team for.
Nice save
Bit of a stretch but good nonetheless.
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Cornholio wrote:James wrote:Cornholio wrote:James wrote:Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.
Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.
Why is European Satellite companies going to affect smaller clubs attendances?
You think people in Greece are paying to watch Hull on TV?
Lower league fans will end up stop going to games and just watch at home or at the pub where they can watch higher quality football for cheaper then what they can watch their local team for.
Nice save
Bit of a stretch but good nonetheless.
When I was younger I used to go the football with my grandad. He bought me my season ticket we went together till I was 15ish. He gave up his season ticket and bought SKY because it was easier to just watch football on there. He only then went to 3 or 4 games a season. Thankfully I didn't follow him and had some mates who all went so we got seats together and we are still going strong.
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Just saying, that is what will continue to happen in the future.
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Great news. Falling match day attendances, less money for clubs from ticket sales and sky. Less big transfers in the PL. Brillaint news
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It really isn't going to have as big of an effect as some are making out.
It will be the dingy local pubs that take up this option. The big chain pubs will continue with Sky, along with Sky's English commentary.
It will be the dingy local pubs that take up this option. The big chain pubs will continue with Sky, along with Sky's English commentary.
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Yeah they will have Sky for the early and late games but they will have foreign channels for the 3pm games. Its estimated to cost the PL £200m-£300m a year. Each club will lose out on £10m-£15m a season. That is quite a lot for most clubs. Thats most PL clubs transfer budgets for a season which will have to be cut back meaning less top quality players being signed. Long term this will have a big effect because Sky wont pay as much for PL rights because it wont be as exclusive as it was before
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That won't affect anything if Sky are still getting paid the money for their usual games.
That's just a potential loss. Sky don't pay for the 3pm games.
The only way this will affect Sky is if pubs adopt the European broadcasts altogether. As I said, I don't think the big chain pubs will do this.
That's just a potential loss. Sky don't pay for the 3pm games.
The only way this will affect Sky is if pubs adopt the European broadcasts altogether. As I said, I don't think the big chain pubs will do this.
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Come to think of it, this could be really big turning point in TV.
This could drive up sales of another European Broadcaster. Imagine of more people installed dishes which could pick European signals, people started subscribing to them for dirt cheap sports packages. These broadcasters end up becoming massive, paying more for the rights, and crippling SKY. They would start broadcasting with English commentators because it's a better language.
This could drive up sales of another European Broadcaster. Imagine of more people installed dishes which could pick European signals, people started subscribing to them for dirt cheap sports packages. These broadcasters end up becoming massive, paying more for the rights, and crippling SKY. They would start broadcasting with English commentators because it's a better language.