Jeff wrote:Arsenal wont get 4th this season.
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Wenger " fourth is like a trophy"
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Ted, capable of using sarcasm? Please.BladeGunner wrote:Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic.It came across like that.
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Arsenal is more of business than a football club, we've known this for years.
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Phadunkin Donuts wrote:Jeff wrote:Arsenal wont get 4th this season.
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Arsenal could easily be competing for the league right now. It's not Wenger's fault they are not.
-Billionaire 30% share holder called Usmanov wants to be on the board, wants us to compete with the best and willing to pump Abramovic type money into the club. (Also he is richer than Abramovic)
-Our current board will not let him even join the board, our current board also sell our most valuable players every year to line their pockets.
-Wenger is allowed to spend as long as.. There is potential return on the player OR he has sold to buy the player.
Board need to die.
-Billionaire 30% share holder called Usmanov wants to be on the board, wants us to compete with the best and willing to pump Abramovic type money into the club. (Also he is richer than Abramovic)
-Our current board will not let him even join the board, our current board also sell our most valuable players every year to line their pockets.
-Wenger is allowed to spend as long as.. There is potential return on the player OR he has sold to buy the player.
Board need to die.
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Glen Damon wrote:Ted, capable of using sarcasm? Please.BladeGunner wrote:Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic.
Cheap shot.
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Chris wrote:Arsenal could easily be competing for the league right now. It's not Wenger's fault they are not.
-Billionaire 30% share holder called Usmanov wants to be on the board, wants us to compete with the best and willing to pump Abramovic type money into the club. (Also he is richer than Abramovic)
-Our current board will not let him even join the board, our current board also sell our most valuable players every year to line their pockets.
-Wenger is allowed to spend as long as.. There is potential return on the player OR he has sold to buy the player.
Board need to die.
Liverpool could easily be competing for the league right now.
- if suarez could finish
- didn't have hicks and that other dick
- if torres never got injuried
- more excuses
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BladeGunner wrote:wellz wrote:Then I guess everyone really should just be talking about how Arsenal have fallen from graces and no longer are competing for trophies which is sad, because I miss the days of Liverpool and Arsenal in the title race. They also should lower ticket prices since their fans are paying for nothing
Everyone's been doing that for a while now and rightly so. At the moment, Arsenal are in no position to compete with Manchester City, Manchester United and Chelsea.
But no, ticket prices shouldn't really be lowered. Fans aren't paying for nothing. They're paying to see the most entertaining football in the country. And the higher the ticket prices, the more income the club makes and the sooner the club can get out of this financial mess.
Arsenal aren't the most entertaining team in the country.
I find Chelsea and Man Utd to be much more entertaining, and on their day, City are much better to watch too.
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They want to get 4th because they can get CL money. All they care is about money. Thats why they're asset stripping us every season by selling our stars.
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Times are changing. Arsenal look more and more like a business than a proper football club. Since the glorious Highbury days with David Dein in charge, Arsenal have been falling severely. It’s a shame. The wrong people coming in, ruining our great club like this. Stan Kroenke, Ivan Gazidis. What absolute WANKERS!Arsene Wenger must go. In fact, I believe he should have been kicked out three years ago. Not only must Arsene leave. Kroenke and that sewer-rat Gazidis should piss off as well. If they are allowed to stay on and continue what they are doing, we can forget about Champions League football in the future. How on earth is a team that consists of “players” like Mannone, Gervinho, Squillacci, Santos etcetc compete for major honours!? It is quite simply impossible. We all see that. Everyone can see that. All except from the men who really should see it. Arsene Wenger, it seems like he is allowed to do what ever he wants. He controls everything at the club. What does it take for Wenger and the board to realize that what they are doing is pissing on the people that matter, which is us fans? Without us, the club is nothing! They just don’t seem to understand that at all. Maybe they do, but they sure as fuck they don’t care. I’m sick of it all. With the ridiculous ticket prices we have, and with the profit from selling our top performers EVERY FUKING season, we should be able to buy quality players. Not settle for Gervinho’s.
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Arshavin23 wrote:Times are changing. Arsenal look more and more like a business than a proper football club. Since the glorious Highbury days with David Dein in charge, Arsenal have been falling severely. It’s a shame. The wrong people coming in, ruining our great club like this. Stan Kroenke, Ivan Gazidis. What absolute WANKERS!Arsene Wenger must go. In fact, I believe he should have been kicked out three years ago. Not only must Arsene leave. Kroenke and that sewer-rat Gazidis should piss off as well. If they are allowed to stay on and continue what they are doing, we can forget about Champions League football in the future. How on earth is a team that consists of “players” like Mannone, Gervinho, Squillacci, Santos etcetc compete for major honours!? It is quite simply impossible. We all see that. Everyone can see that. All except from the men who really should see it. Arsene Wenger, it seems like he is allowed to do what ever he wants. He controls everything at the club. What does it take for Wenger and the board to realize that what they are doing is pissing on the people that matter, which is us fans? Without us, the club is nothing! They just don’t seem to understand that at all. Maybe they do, but they sure as fuck they don’t care. I’m sick of it all. With the ridiculous ticket prices we have, and with the profit from selling our top performers EVERY FUKING season, we should be able to buy quality players. Not settle for Gervinho’s.
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dena wrote:Arsenal is more of business than a football club, we've known this for years.
Every well run club is. That's a good thing and it allows you guys to be in the CL every year and buy players like Cazorla.
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BladeGunner wrote:Oh, and to compare him to Benitez is extremely insulting.
I'm sorry but, what?
I'm not saying Benitez is better, but how is that insulting? Benitez has won more than most managers could dream of winning.
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In this particular context it is very insulting. Rafael Benitez had a net spend of 74 million pounds over five years when he managed Liverpool. That's 70 million pounds more than what Arsene Wenger's managed in 15 years (I couldn't find this season's stats but I'm sure that the total net spend would be almost exactly the same). Despite that, Benitez won nothing in his last three years with Liverpool and his side finished below Arsenal in the league in two of those three years. So yes, in this context it is quite insulting to compare the two.
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It's pointless talking about net spend if you don't take into consideration where each club was at when Rafa took over, Arsenal had just gone a whole season unbeaten and won the league with ease, whereas Liverpool's squad needed a complete re-haul, it's inevitable that we would spend more. Benitez still managed to turn Liverpool into one of the best teams in England and in Europe, also managing to win the Champions League and the FA Cup, there's no way that being compared to him is an insult.
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It's not pointless to talk about net spend because Arsenal were in a worse position in 1996 than Liverpool were in 2004 and Arsene Wenger has never spent the large amounts that Benitez did at Liverpool. The whole point is that Benitez went three years from 2007 to 2010 not managing to win anything while spending large sums of money. He deserved to be sacked when he did. Wenger also hasn't managed to win anything in that time frame but at least he's managed to use minimal resources while also guaranteeing Champions League qualification on an annual basis. It is an insult to compare him to someone who finished seventh in his last season despite having a net spend that is almost 20 times as great as his.
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I'm not really bothered where Arsenal were in 1996, I'm not really bothered what Wenger has done, I just don't think you understand how much Benitez did for Liverpool, if you did you wouldn't say it's an insult to be compared to him.
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Well I'm not really bothered what Benitez has done for Liverpool either so piss off if you're not going to bother to properly read what I've written.
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Question is, would Arsenal fans be happy with 4th for another 15-20 seasons?
The problem isn't that they don't win trophies, it's that they are close enough to City, Chelsea, United fundamentally to mount a genuine title challenge, but then the mentality of the players lets them down, or an influential player leaves or gets injured, then their season kind of peters out around December-February.
Also, a club of Arsenal's size doesn't really have an excuse not to win the odd cup while still performing well domestically, the FA Cup in particular only takes a couple of wins against big sides and you're in at least the semis. It's not like it's an "all hands to the pump" trophy where resources must be conserved
The problem isn't that they don't win trophies, it's that they are close enough to City, Chelsea, United fundamentally to mount a genuine title challenge, but then the mentality of the players lets them down, or an influential player leaves or gets injured, then their season kind of peters out around December-February.
Also, a club of Arsenal's size doesn't really have an excuse not to win the odd cup while still performing well domestically, the FA Cup in particular only takes a couple of wins against big sides and you're in at least the semis. It's not like it's an "all hands to the pump" trophy where resources must be conserved
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BladeGunner wrote:Well I'm not really bothered what Benitez has done for Liverpool either so piss off if you're not going to bother to properly read what I've written.
You must be bothered or you wouldn't have bothered calling it an insult when Wenger was compared to him.
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Jay wrote:BladeGunner wrote:Well I'm not really bothered what Benitez has done for Liverpool either so piss off if you're not going to bother to properly read what I've written.
You must be bothered or you wouldn't have bothered calling it an insult when Wenger was compared to him.
Stop being childish now. Being an inept debater is one thing, but trying to bring this argument down to a level where the winner is the one who accuses the other of being "bothered" more times than the other is just juvenile.
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Looking at this just hurts my eyes.Arshavin23 wrote:Times are changing. Arsenal look more and more like a business than a proper football club. Since the glorious Highbury days with David Dein in charge, Arsenal have been falling severely. It’s a shame. The wrong people coming in, ruining our great club like this. Stan Kroenke, Ivan Gazidis. What absolute WANKERS!Arsene Wenger must go. In fact, I believe he should have been kicked out three years ago. Not only must Arsene leave. Kroenke and that sewer-rat Gazidis should piss off as well. If they are allowed to stay on and continue what they are doing, we can forget about Champions League football in the future. How on earth is a team that consists of “players” like Mannone, Gervinho, Squillacci, Santos etcetc compete for major honours!? It is quite simply impossible. We all see that. Everyone can see that. All except from the men who really should see it. Arsene Wenger, it seems like he is allowed to do what ever he wants. He controls everything at the club. What does it take for Wenger and the board to realize that what they are doing is pissing on the people that matter, which is us fans? Without us, the club is nothing! They just don’t seem to understand that at all. Maybe they do, but they sure as fuck they don’t care. I’m sick of it all. With the ridiculous ticket prices we have, and with the profit from selling our top performers EVERY FUKING season, we should be able to buy quality players. Not settle for Gervinho’s.
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BladeGunner wrote:Jay wrote:
You must be bothered or you wouldn't have bothered calling it an insult when Wenger was compared to him.
Stop being childish now. Being an inept debater is one thing, but trying to bring this argument down to a level where the winner is the one who accuses the other of being "bothered" more times than the other is just juvenile.
Childish? All I'm saying is it's ridiculous to say that being compared to Benitez isn't an insult considering how much he's won in his career. You can go on about net spend all you want but if you really want to go into the finances at Liverpool during his time at the club it goes so much further than a few million pounds on players.
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Jay wrote:BladeGunner wrote:
Stop being childish now. Being an inept debater is one thing, but trying to bring this argument down to a level where the winner is the one who accuses the other of being "bothered" more times than the other is just juvenile.
Childish? All I'm saying is it's ridiculous to say that being compared to Benitez isn't an insult considering how much he's won in his career. You can go on about net spend all you want but if you really want to go into the finances at Liverpool during his time at the club it goes so much further than a few million pounds on players.
None of what you're saying is relevant to this topic, though. You just saw the words "insult" and "Benitez" in the same sentence and now you seem intent on convincing me that he's God's gift to the world. All I implied was that Benitez did thoroughly deserve to get sacked at Liverpool, whereas Wenger most certainly does not. Hence it is an insult to the latter to put them in the same bracket.
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Benitez isn't fit to wipe Wenger's ass.
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Benitez shouldn't have been sacked though, Liverpool set themselves back 5 years by sacking him, if he was still here now we'd be in a much better place. Bar one season he was a superb manager for us, therefore I don't think it's insulting to compare them.
The comparison itself is pointless anyway.
The comparison itself is pointless anyway.
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I am pointing out the reasons it's not Wenger's fault. If he was in control we would not have sold Nasri, Fabregas and Van Persie over the last 2 seasons for a start.Childish Logic wrote:Chris wrote:Arsenal could easily be competing for the league right now. It's not Wenger's fault they are not.
-Billionaire 30% share holder called Usmanov wants to be on the board, wants us to compete with the best and willing to pump Abramovic type money into the club. (Also he is richer than Abramovic)
-Our current board will not let him even join the board, our current board also sell our most valuable players every year to line their pockets.
-Wenger is allowed to spend as long as.. There is potential return on the player OR he has sold to buy the player.
Board need to die.
Liverpool could easily be competing for the league right now.
- if suarez could finish
- didn't have hicks and that other dick
- if torres never got injuried
- more excuses
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The Zlatan wrote:Benitez isn't fit to wipe Wenger's ass.
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Jay wrote:The Zlatan wrote:Benitez isn't fit to wipe Wenger's ass.
Your point?
