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ViVaRooney wrote:with those 3 barca/madrid will be the ones thinking about defending

i think you also forget how many injuries we had in midfield in the CL last season. we had the likes of Jones and Giggs in there for the important last group match

Barcelona won't give a fuck about defending because they'll have the ball for 80 minutes of the match and we won't have enough defensive midfielders to get it off them. Madrid won't because they have better attackers.

And yeah, we had injuries last season. We'll have injuries this season as well, because Ferguson is sticking with Darren Fletcher who is clearly knackered, sticking with Anderson and Cleverley who are notoriously injury prone, and sticking with Giggs and Scholes who are on the verge of retirement.

Let's say Ferguson's plan comes off, and we acquire all of these players, what is the plan if we come up against Barcelona? Show me what your formation is. We'll be generous and assume everyone bar Fletcher is fit.

ViVaRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:The last time we had a destroyer in the team we won the CL and the Premiership

who played RB in semi final and RM in the final

I know, but still, the last time we won that double we had a destroyer, he was very mobile and always destroyed plays for the opposition, even when he was playing out wide. He did move into the middle to form a 4-3-3 when he was playing on the wing though.

ViVaRooney wrote:also PL easy, CL isnt??? hmmm is that wh chelsea finished 6th and won the CL?? seems like CL is easier to me

Ridiculous comment. City won the League and didn't win the CL, United finished 2nd and went out in the group stage, Arsenal finished 3rd in the Premier League and couldn't reach the Quarter Finals. Ferguson has won about 12 Premier Leagues and only two Champions Leagues. It's patently obvious to anyone with half a mind that winning the CL is the more difficult achievement, Chelsea winning the Champions League doesn't change that.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:with those 3 barca/madrid will be the ones thinking about defending

i think you also forget how many injuries we had in midfield in the CL last season. we had the likes of Jones and Giggs in there for the important last group match

Barcelona won't give a fuck about defending because they'll have the ball for 80 minutes of the match and we won't have enough defensive midfielders to get it off them. Madrid won't because they have better attackers.

And yeah, we had injuries last season. We'll have injuries this season as well, because Ferguson is sticking with Darren Fletcher who is clearly knackered, sticking with Anderson and Cleverley who are notoriously injury prone, and sticking with Giggs and Scholes who are on the verge of retirement.

Let's say Ferguson's plan comes off, and we acquire all of these players, what is the plan if we come up against Barcelona? Show me what your formation is. We'll be generous and assume everyone bar Fletcher is fit.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:with those 3 barca/madrid will be the ones thinking about defending

i think you also forget how many injuries we had in midfield in the CL last season. we had the likes of Jones and Giggs in there for the important last group match

Barcelona won't give a fuck about defending because they'll have the ball for 80 minutes of the match and we won't have enough defensive midfielders to get it off them. Madrid won't because they have better attackers.

And yeah, we had injuries last season. We'll have injuries this season as well, because Ferguson is sticking with Darren Fletcher who is clearly knackered, sticking with Anderson and Cleverley who are notoriously injury prone, and sticking with Giggs and Scholes who are on the verge of retirement.

Let's say Ferguson's plan comes off, and we acquire all of these players, what is the plan if we come up against Barcelona? Show me what your formation is. We'll be generous and assume everyone bar Fletcher is fit.

3-4-4 (!) Napoli 1985 style.




Whops, I meant 3-4-3., and then messed it up Remove Kagawa, or put him on the right.

There is no serious answer other than a re-enactment of what we tried in 2009, only with worse players this time. The players we have been linked with are not good enough for us to compete with Barcelona on a level playing field, and we have a profound lack of players to try and shut up shop against them.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:There is no serious answer other than a re-enactment of what we tried in 2009, only with worse players this time. The players we have been linked with are not good enough for us to compete with Barcelona on a level playing field, and we have a profound lack of players to try and shut up shop against them.

The likes of Kagawa, Van Persie and Moura would certainly provide us with far more ability and posession, uhm... prowess? than before. Van Persie and Rooney interhcnanging, Rooney dropping deep, Van Persie making runs out wide and through the middle, Moura using his ability on the ball to open up space, Ando and Carrick doing most of the leg work in the middle (with rooney helping out), Rafael/Valencia and Evra/new Lb bombing up and down the flanks to provide both cover and pressure into midfield. Solid defensive wall behind to attempt to prevent being hit on the counter when the fullbacks are up the field. Essentially we would be defending with a 5-3-2, and attacking with a 3-2-5, with highly mobile and skillful wingers/attackers, providing us with a much stronger counter attack.

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Barcelona won't give a fuck about defending because they'll have the ball for 80 minutes of the match and we won't have enough defensive midfielders to get it off them. Madrid won't because they have better attackers.

And yeah, we had injuries last season. We'll have injuries this season as well, because Ferguson is sticking with Darren Fletcher who is clearly knackered, sticking with Anderson and Cleverley who are notoriously injury prone, and sticking with Giggs and Scholes who are on the verge of retirement.

Let's say Ferguson's plan comes off, and we acquire all of these players, what is the plan if we come up against Barcelona? Show me what your formation is. We'll be generous and assume everyone bar Fletcher is fit.

De Gea

Rio - Vidic

Valencia ------- Carrick -------- Young

Lucas - Kagawa - Nani

Rooney

RVP - Welbeck

Would be good if you didn't have 12 players

Laurencio wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:There is no serious answer other than a re-enactment of what we tried in 2009, only with worse players this time. The players we have been linked with are not good enough for us to compete with Barcelona on a level playing field, and we have a profound lack of players to try and shut up shop against them.

The likes of Kagawa, Van Persie and Moura would certainly provide us with far more ability and posession, uhm... prowess? than before. Van Persie and Rooney interhcnanging, Rooney dropping deep, Van Persie making runs out wide and through the middle, Moura using his ability on the ball to open up space, Ando and Carrick doing most of the leg work in the middle (with rooney helping out), Rafael/Valencia and Evra/new Lb bombing up and down the flanks to provide both cover and pressure into midfield. Solid defensive wall behind to attempt to prevent being hit on the counter when the fullbacks are up the field. Essentially we would be defending with a 5-3-2, and attacking with a 3-2-5, with highly mobile and skillful wingers/attackers, providing us with a much stronger counter attack.

What, more than Tevez, Berbatov and Ronaldo? I don't think so.

To be honest I thought you were joking with the 3-4-3 formation. I do think there may be some merit to such a move, but there's more chance of Barcelona using 5-4-1 for the next 10 years than Ferguson switching to using a formation with 3 centre backs at the age of 71. It took him 20 years and Carlos Queiroz to start using 4-3-3, and that's since been abandoned, he's not going to change to such a profoundly different system at this age, even for a couple of games.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

The likes of Kagawa, Van Persie and Moura would certainly provide us with far more ability and posession, uhm... prowess? than before. Van Persie and Rooney interhcnanging, Rooney dropping deep, Van Persie making runs out wide and through the middle, Moura using his ability on the ball to open up space, Ando and Carrick doing most of the leg work in the middle (with rooney helping out), Rafael/Valencia and Evra/new Lb bombing up and down the flanks to provide both cover and pressure into midfield. Solid defensive wall behind to attempt to prevent being hit on the counter when the fullbacks are up the field. Essentially we would be defending with a 5-3-2, and attacking with a 3-2-5, with highly mobile and skillful wingers/attackers, providing us with a much stronger counter attack.

What, more than Tevez, Berbatov and Ronaldo? I don't think so.

To be honest I thought you were joking with the 3-4-3 formation. I do think there may be some merit to such a move, but there's more chance of Barcelona using 5-4-1 for the next 10 years than Ferguson switching to using a formation with 3 centre backs at the age of 71. It took him 20 years and Carlos Queiroz to start using 4-3-3, and that's since been abandoned, he's not going to change to such a profoundly different system at this age, even for a couple of games.

More than them? No. More than we do now? Most definitely. As you well know I agree that we need reinforcements in midfield, but if everyone aside from Fletcher is fit, we actually do have a pretty solid overall squad, which would be greatly improved by the technical expertise of Kagawa, Moura and Van Persie. For obvious reasons.

He probably won't, but as I see it a formation like that would work very well with the playing staff we would have at our disposal in the given scenario. Sticking to the 4-4-2 is as good as impossible against a midfield trio anyway, and would be a waste of the talent Kagawa, Van Persie, Rooney and Moura posess in the given scenario in my personal opinion.

@CraigNorwood: Manchester United Away Kit Launch, Megastore, Old Trafford #MUFC http://t.co/f5Y4FCKy

Think everyone calling it excellent and fantastic has worse eyesight than me.

Danny wrote:@CraigNorwood: Manchester United Away Kit Launch, Megastore, Old Trafford #MUFC http://t.co/f5Y4FCKy

Think everyone calling it excellent and fantastic has worse eyesight than me.

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That's a great kit imo.

It looks sexy, but then that red line is like.

Think it'll look great on players.

Looks better than I thought it would tbh

I like it better than the two we have already

Cameron. wrote:

Danny wrote:@CraigNorwood: Manchester United Away Kit Launch, Megastore, Old Trafford #MUFC http://t.co/f5Y4FCKy

Think everyone calling it excellent and fantastic has worse eyesight than me.

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That's a great kit imo.

Are me and Kyro the only ones who see the red line and think what the fuck it's doing there?

Better than the last white kit we had though.

@ManUtdStuff: United defender Reece Brown, brother of Wes, has joined Coventry City on a season-long loan.

I'm so mixed on it.

I think it looks good.

Danny wrote:

Cameron. wrote:

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That's a great kit imo.

Are me and Kyro the only ones who see the red line and think what the fuck it's doing there?

Better than the last white kit we had though.

I reckon the red line looks nice, it adds something to the kit otherwise it would be plain and boring. One of the best kits we've had in a while I would say.

What's not to like? I think its perfect, hopefully we have a better record with it than our last white away one.

Don't like those shorts

I'll have to see it in person first to see if I like it, the red one doesn't look good in pictures but when you see it in person it looks fine.

SuperSport Blitz ‏@SuperSportBlitz
Sir Alex Ferguson confirmed he will allow Dimitar Berbatov to leave Manchester United and will intensify efforts to sign Robin van Persie.

Can anyone find quotes for this?

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/sir-alex-ferguson-confirms-robin-van-persie-bid.aspx

Oh right the official site, wouldn't have thought to go there.

Swap deal

Aw man, I don't want to get my hopes up only to see him to go to City. I'm going to try and avoid this transfer saga

Give us Berbatov and Nani and we'll give you Van Persie