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    England would have put up a better fight than Italy

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    Post by Jord Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:21 am

    dena wrote:
    Jord wrote:And you need to stop speaking in black people talk and use the English dictionary.

    So black people don't use the English dictionary?

    Racism.
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    Post by Guest Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:23 am

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    dena wrote:People on this forum need to stop saying my friend.
    And you need to stop speaking in black people talk and use the English dictionary.

    First that lynching reference, now this: Jord is out of control.
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    Post by Guest Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:26 am

    Casual racism from the British again.
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    Post by Zzonked Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:37 am

    dena wrote:Who cares man Laughing
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    Post by El Jefe Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:14 am

    Depends what you define putting up a fight as.
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    Post by Guest Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:19 am

    Henrik's Tongue wrote:
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    Poor mauro is mad as hell that his Italian hero's put up less of a fight than England would and got butt fucked 4-0. smug

    Better being beaten in the final than beaten in the quarter final

    Not sure if this is you bitter and trying to get one over Italy because they fucked you up the ass?

    england anus was stretched to enormous proportions, of course he mad Laughing
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    Post by Guest Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:33 pm

    Italy's 4-0 loss was the worst ever in a European Cup Final. rofl

    The is no way in hell England would have defended like these Italian clowns..



    Made Fabregas look like fucking Walcott. Defence was about as tight as Mauro's mum.
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    Post by iSamuel Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:13 pm

    Juventino. wrote:Trying to overcome a two goal deficit with ten men against the best team in the world, is an easy task apparently.
    Maybe Chelsea should have been playing.
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    Post by Guest Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:27 pm

    That wasn't a two goal deficit, Samuel.
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    Post by Guest Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:29 pm

    Eternal Witcher wrote:That wasn't a two goal deficit, Samuel.
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    Post by Sean Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:05 am

    Chris I thought you were above the get it up them, put in the tackles, backwards English views on football.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:09 am

    He compares Gerrard to Pirlo, so no he isn't unfortunately.

    Midfielders also have to be good off the ball and Pirlo is a pedestrian apparently.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:06 am

    Not the way England were playing in the tournament. If Italy had been more clinical they would have won that match 3-0 before full time. England wouldn't stand a chance against Spain the way they have been playing.
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    Post by Juventino Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:44 am

    Chris wrote:Italy's 4-0 loss was the worst ever in a European Cup Final. England would have put up a better fight than Italy - Page 3 70955

    The is no way in hell England would have defended like these Italian clowns..

    Made Fabregas look like fucking Walcott. Defence was about as tight as Mauro's mum.

    You're clearly still upset about your loss to Italy. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:45 am

    Theo Filippo wrote:He compares Gerrard to Pirlo, so no he isn't unfortunately.

    Midfielders also have to be good off the ball and Pirlo is a pedestrian apparently.
    The only reason Gerrard was compared to Pirlo is because you said Gerrard was an awful passer and Pirlo a world class passer yet Gerrard was just as tidy as him with passing percentage which was impressive because Gerrard was playing for a shit England side.

    Sean Italy put up no fight at all, their tactics were terrible "go at spain" which is playing right into their hands, thats exactly what they wanted them to do and look what happened, they got absolutely fucked. England would have put up a better fight, what do you mean "above" put in tackles etc. England would not have been clowns like Italy were defensively and that was one of the worst performances in the tornament. Only Ireland did so poorly against Spain.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:46 am

    Gerrard is an awful passer, 71% passing completion over the tournament. Laughing

    England wouldn't have fought at all.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:52 am

    Theo Filippo wrote:Gerrard is an awful passer, 71% passing completion over the tournament. Laughing

    England wouldn't have fought at all.
    Bullshit. They would have done everything to stop spain scoring, something the Italians couldn't do at all. England would never have given spain half as much space in the final third as the italians did because we would have 10 men there trying to block everything. It worked in every single game we played so to say we would have suddenly got absolutely slaughtered worse than Italy did 4-0 you have to be thick. Italy couldn't score in 2 hours of play against us.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:53 am

    Chris wrote:
    Theo Filippo wrote:He compares Gerrard to Pirlo, so no he isn't unfortunately.

    Midfielders also have to be good off the ball and Pirlo is a pedestrian apparently.
    The only reason Gerrard was compared to Pirlo is because you said Gerrard was an awful passer and Pirlo a world class passer yet Gerrard was just as tidy as him with passing percentage which was impressive because Gerrard was playing for a shit England side.

    Sean Italy put up no fight at all, their tactics were terrible "go at spain" which is playing right into their hands, thats exactly what they wanted them to do and look what happened, they got absolutely fucked. England would have put up a better fight, what do you mean "above" put in tackles etc. England would not have been clowns like Italy were defensively and that was one of the worst performances in the tornament. Only Ireland did so poorly against Spain.

    Did you not see John Terry's positioning against Italy, Croatia and Sweden? He messed up several offside traps, opened up space for runs behind and through the defence, and pushed the line far too high. Play like that against Spain and it's game over. England's defensive work was OK, but it was far from good enough to withstand a team of Spain's quality. Maybe under Capello, but the way England were playing in this tournament, no way.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:54 am

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    He made an error in that video, calling Gerrard a "nice man" off of the field.
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    Post by Sean Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:55 am

    Chris wrote:
    Theo Filippo wrote:He compares Gerrard to Pirlo, so no he isn't unfortunately.

    Midfielders also have to be good off the ball and Pirlo is a pedestrian apparently.
    The only reason Gerrard was compared to Pirlo is because you said Gerrard was an awful passer and Pirlo a world class passer yet Gerrard was just as tidy as him with passing percentage which was impressive because Gerrard was playing for a shit England side.

    Sean Italy put up no fight at all, their tactics were terrible "go at spain" which is playing right into their hands, thats exactly what they wanted them to do and look what happened, they got absolutely fucked. England would have put up a better fight, what do you mean "above" put in tackles etc. England would not have been clowns like Italy were defensively and that was one of the worst performances in the tornament. Only Ireland did so poorly against Spain.

    Gerrard had a 71% pass accuracy, not that impressive.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:55 am

    They may have done everything to stop Spain scoring, but they wouldn't have attempted to score themselves, that's not fighting.. that's accepting defeat. I don't know why you seem to think we were successful in having 10 men behind the ball, we scraped a draw against France, only outplayed Sweden when we were 2 - 1 down and had to attack and we marginally beat a Ukraine side who were better in possession and had a goal incorrectly ruled out. Not to mention Italy missed 2 open goals against us.
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    Post by Juventino Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:57 am

    Chris wrote:
    Theo Filippo wrote:Gerrard is an awful passer, 71% passing completion over the tournament. Laughing

    England wouldn't have fought at all.
    Bullshit. They would have done everything to stop spain scoring, something the Italians couldn't do at all. England would never have given spain half as much space in the final third as the italians did because we would have 10 men there trying to block everything. It worked in every single game we played so to say we would have suddenly got absolutely slaughtered worse than Italy did 4-0 you have to be thick. Italy couldn't score in 2 hours of play against us.

    You could've easily leaked four to Sweden so clearly it didn't "work every game". And Italy, and France could've scored three or four goals against you if they'd been more clinical, you thick cunt. England's defense wasn't as world-class as you're making it out to be.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:57 am

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    The only reason Gerrard was compared to Pirlo is because you said Gerrard was an awful passer and Pirlo a world class passer yet Gerrard was just as tidy as him with passing percentage which was impressive because Gerrard was playing for a shit England side.

    Sean Italy put up no fight at all, their tactics were terrible "go at spain" which is playing right into their hands, thats exactly what they wanted them to do and look what happened, they got absolutely fucked. England would have put up a better fight, what do you mean "above" put in tackles etc. England would not have been clowns like Italy were defensively and that was one of the worst performances in the tornament. Only Ireland did so poorly against Spain.

    Did you not see John Terry's positioning against Italy, Croatia and Sweden? He messed up several offside traps, opened up space for runs behind and through the defence, and pushed the line far too high. Play like that against Spain and it's game over. England's defensive work was OK, but it was far from good enough to withstand a team of Spain's quality. Maybe under Capello, but the way England were playing in this tournament, no way.
    I didn't say "withstand a team of spains quality" although John Terry who you speak of did just that at Stamford bridge against Barcelona. Also we would never have had a high line against spain, we would have had 10 men in our box blocking everything they could, Which is far more "fight" than giving them acres of space in your own third like italy did and letting them run a fucking train on you.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:59 am

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    Bullshit. They would have done everything to stop spain scoring, something the Italians couldn't do at all. England would never have given spain half as much space in the final third as the italians did because we would have 10 men there trying to block everything. It worked in every single game we played so to say we would have suddenly got absolutely slaughtered worse than Italy did 4-0 you have to be thick. Italy couldn't score in 2 hours of play against us.

    You could've easily leaked four to Sweden so clearly it didn't "work every game". And Italy, and France could've scored three or four goals against you if they'd been more clinical, you thick cunt. England's defense wasn't as world-class as you're making it out to be.
    We leaked goals against sweden from set pieces, spain only have a couple players over 6 foot and they are not going to bother John Terry and Lescott when it comes to winning a header.
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    Post by Sean Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:59 am

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    Did you not see John Terry's positioning against Italy, Croatia and Sweden? He messed up several offside traps, opened up space for runs behind and through the defence, and pushed the line far too high. Play like that against Spain and it's game over. England's defensive work was OK, but it was far from good enough to withstand a team of Spain's quality. Maybe under Capello, but the way England were playing in this tournament, no way.
    I didn't say "withstand a team of spains quality" although John Terry who you speak of did just that at Stamford bridge against Barcelona. Also we would never have had a high line against spain, we would have had 10 men in our box blocking everything they could, Which is far more "fight" than giving them acres of space in your own third like italy did and letting them run a fucking train on you.

    You mean that game were Barceleona got in behind our defence 4or 5 times and should have scored?
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    Post by Guest Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:01 am

    I guess this depends on how you define "fight." If playing defensively and losing 2-0 without registering a shot on target is your definition of "fight," then absolutely, England is your team.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:06 am

    Chris wrote:
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    Did you not see John Terry's positioning against Italy, Croatia and Sweden? He messed up several offside traps, opened up space for runs behind and through the defence, and pushed the line far too high. Play like that against Spain and it's game over. England's defensive work was OK, but it was far from good enough to withstand a team of Spain's quality. Maybe under Capello, but the way England were playing in this tournament, no way.
    I didn't say "withstand a team of spains quality" although John Terry who you speak of did just that at Stamford bridge against Barcelona. Also we would never have had a high line against spain, we would have had 10 men in our box blocking everything they could, Which is far more "fight" than giving them acres of space in your own third like italy did and letting them run a fucking train on you.

    John Terry was sent off against Barca, and if not for some excellent defensive work from Cahill that could have gone very badly for Chelsea, who also conceeded 2 goals in that game I might add. John Terry's performance in this tournament were also far too shaky, leaving England exposed on numerous occasions.

    Spain would have complete control of the game, that's not really "fighting". Considering Spain almost never cross the ball the 10 men in the box plan wouldn't necessarily work out either. Nasri scored with that plan, and Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas are better players than Nasri to be fair.
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    I didn't say "withstand a team of spains quality" although John Terry who you speak of did just that at Stamford bridge against Barcelona. Also we would never have had a high line against spain, we would have had 10 men in our box blocking everything they could, Which is far more "fight" than giving them acres of space in your own third like italy did and letting them run a fucking train on you.

    You mean that game were Barceleona got in behind our defence 4or 5 times and should have scored?
    No doubt they should have scored, Messi should have scored a penalty at the nou camp aswell. The fact is you do your best and ride your luck in these games. But to think attacking spain and leaving your defence exposed and losing 4-0 is putting up a better fight than trying to completely block them out the game and take any chance you can is ridiculous. They got ripped wide open and played like clowns.

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