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    Post by Laurencio Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:43 am

    Jordo wrote:John W. Henry ready to lift Liverpool’s standard after Luis Suárez furore
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    Trying to enjoy a family vacation, John W. Henry watched the final, radioactive fallout from the Luis Suárez affair settle on Anfield from Fort Lauderdale, deep in America’s Sunshine State.

    It is unlikely to have been a particularly restful holiday, such is the work that awaits him. Next week, Liverpool’s principal, principled owner will fly to Merseyside, where the storm clouds gather.

    Contrary to a popular perception too easily guided by soap opera narrative, the arpeggio of apologies issued by Suárez, his club, and Kenny Dalglish, the manager, on Sunday afternoon was not orchestrated by Fenway Sports Group, Liverpool’s parent company.

    There was no directive from Henry or his chairman, Tom Werner, that the Uruguayan’s failure to shake hands with Patrice Evra at Old Trafford was of such repugnant moral vacuity that contrition was compulsory. There was no kneejerk response to savage words in the New York Times, a former investor in FSG, and the Boston Globe, Henry’s local paper, demanding intervention in the closest thing the Barclays Premier League has to a pariah state.

    Rather, Ian Ayre, Liverpool’s managing director, in consultation with Dalglish, established the direction the club would take and sought confirmation from his employers that they agreed with his blueprint. This was local self-determination in action. There was no American cultural imperialism.

    That is not to accuse Henry of idleness, or absenteeism, a charge he and Werner have been desperate to avoid ever since replacing Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr on a rather happier October day, exactly a year before Suárez turned his spiteful tongue on Evra. That the 62-year-old will be in England within the next seven days, indeed, is evidence of how things have changed. FSG will fight for its investment.

    Henry’s first job is likely to be mollifying Standard Chartered, the club’s prime, £20 million-a-season shirt sponsor, unsurprisingly unhappy to find its brand, its logo, suddenly associated rather too readily with a player charged with issuing racist abuse. There is no suggestion as yet that the bank, which boasts 1,700 branches worldwide and considerable reach in the Far East, is reassessing its involvement with the club.

    Henry, though, knows that assuring them such toxicity will not be a feature of their association with Liverpool in the future will soothe troubled minds.

    Although Henry will also meet Richard Scudamore, the chief executive of the Premier League, in an attempt to smooth relations with the English game’s hierarchy, it is telling that it is when the brand is imperilled that he acts. An editorial in Massachusetts costs nothing; fear rising in the Orient could be expensive indeed.

    FSG, like Dalglish, has no intention of selling Suárez; anyone with the briefest knowledge of football would know that the game’s moral compass tends to point in whichever direction leads to success, that clubs do not routinely sell their best players simply to dampen an outcry, no matter how serious the offence. Henry has been long enough in sport to know that another controversy will be stirred, another hellion conjured soon enough to distract attention.

    But he has also been aware, from the moment Evra first levelled his charge at Suárez, at how poisonous such an allegation might be. For the player, of course, and for the club. But most of all for the brand. Such corporate jargon is anathema to fans, no more so than those on the Kop whose traditions are pinned to their jackets and daubed on to flags. But that is what Liverpool, and all of their competitors, have become: brands that require consumers, brands that stand and fall by their sponsors.

    If Henry’s investment is to work, and Liverpool are to compete once more, he needs a club he can sell worldwide. Ideally, he needs a star player.

    It seemed before October that Suárez could be that cornerstone. Now that is in doubt. Player, club and brand have been damaged. It is Henry who must begin to arrest the decline, to begin the Herculean task of wiping the slate clean. There is work to be done.

    I thought that Liverpool's star was and is Steven Gerrard?
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    Post by Grenade Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:44 am

    Asked this before but didn't get an answer. How many assists does Lucas have this season? Also is Aqua man never going to play for you again?
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:47 am

    Grenade wrote:Asked this before but didn't get an answer. How many assists does Lucas have this season? Also is Aqua man never going to play for you again?

    Lucas has none.

    And Aquaman. I don't know. Himself and his family are settled in Italy.
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:48 am

    I swear there is never a time when RAWK's registration is not closed. Laughing
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    Post by Cadbury Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:48 am

    Grenade wrote:Asked this before but didn't get an answer. How many assists does Lucas have this season? Also is Aqua man never going to play for you again?

    None in the league, that's all I know, and no.
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    Post by Cadbury Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:49 am

    Danno wrote:I swear there is never a time when RAWK's registration is not closed. Laughing

    Closing this here.
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    Post by LFC_Grunners Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:52 am

    Grenade wrote:Asked this before but didn't get an answer. How many assists does Lucas have this season? Also is Aqua man never going to play for you again?

    Doubt Aqua will, He wants to stay in Italy now after being fucked around I think, he's a brilliant player in my opinion and I think Kenny should have gave him the season to prove his worth.
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    Post by Jord Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:55 am

    Cadbury wrote:
    Glen Damon wrote:Players like Bellamy, Suarez, and Carroll all have their respective problems, yet there seems to be a good team spirit between them all.

    Downing too. Massive prick who needs to go in the summer.

    He's done fuck all except get arrested.
    24 games, 0 goals, 0 assists

    We seriously need to get rid.
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:57 am

    Jord wrote:
    Cadbury wrote:

    Downing too. Massive prick who needs to go in the summer.

    He's done fuck all except get arrested.
    24 games, 0 goals, 0 assists

    We seriously need to get rid.

    23 games, 2 goals, 1 assist.

    Martin Skrtel.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:01 am

    12 games 0 goals, 0 assist

    Lucas.

    Stats are missleading tbh.
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:01 am

    From sheer memory, I think Henderson's stats this season are 1 goal and 3 assists, am I right? think
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:02 am

    In the United States, they often analyse such stats as secondary assists. That's the kind of stat in which players like Alonso and Lucas flourish.

    Not that it matters. shifty
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:04 am

    Laurencio wrote:12 games 0 goals, 0 assist

    Lucas.

    Stats are missleading tbh.

    It's only fair to compare him to the best, and to a player that plays a similar role to him.

    Sergio Busquets

    16 games, 0 goals, 0 assists.

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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:04 am

    Laurencio wrote:12 games 0 goals, 0 assist

    Lucas.

    Stats are missleading tbh.
    Not really, what that shows is Lucas isn't a player that does anything to make goals happen, but as he's a defensive midfielder, who cares.. Downing is a winger.. if you're not getting assists or goals as a winger you're a waste of space.
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:06 am

    kyro7 wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:12 games 0 goals, 0 assist

    Lucas.

    Stats are missleading tbh.
    Not really, what that shows is Lucas isn't a player that does anything to make goals happen, but as he's a defensive midfielder, who cares.. Downing is a winger.. if you're not getting assists or goals as a winger you're a waste of space.
    You read way too far into his statement.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:06 am

    kyro7 wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:12 games 0 goals, 0 assist

    Lucas.

    Stats are missleading tbh.
    Not really, what that shows is Lucas isn't a player that does anything to make goals happen, but as he's a defensive midfielder, who cares.. Downing is a winger.. if you're not getting assists or goals as a winger you're a waste of space.

    Can't argue with that logic. Also I wasn't defending Downing.


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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:07 am

    Anyway, Maxi and Kuyt will be gone in the summer anyway.

    Fuck knows what is going to happen with Downing.
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:08 am

    Jordo wrote:Anyway, Maxi and Kuyt will be gone in the summer anyway.

    Fuck knows what is going to happen with Downing.
    Squad player, petering out until he leaves on a free to the Championship, I suspect.

    Counting down the days.
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    Post by Cadbury Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:08 am

    I like Henderson, he's a likeable guy and he's actually been improving over the course of the season. Whereas Downing is a massive cunt.
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:08 am

    Is Downing the worst Liverpool signing in the last 20 years? I swear, I generally feel insulted having to watch him play.
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:10 am

    Come to think of it, Downing will be on trial soon, no?

    Guilty, please. pray
    Danno wrote:Is Downing the worst Liverpool signing in the last 20 years? I swear, I generally feel insulted having to watch him play.
    Doni is worse.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:10 am

    Danno wrote:Is Downing the worst Liverpool signing in the last 20 years? I swear, I generally feel insulted having to watch him play.

    Not by a long shot. To be fair to the lad he does have 3 assist and a goal for England in 4 appearances, so he can't be entierely useless.
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    Post by Childish Logic Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:11 am

    Danno wrote:Is Downing the worst Liverpool signing in the last 20 years? I swear, I generally feel insulted having to watch him play.

    This.

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    Post by Childish Logic Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:12 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    Danno wrote:Is Downing the worst Liverpool signing in the last 20 years? I swear, I generally feel insulted having to watch him play.

    Not by a long shot. To be fair to the lad he does have 3 assist and a goal for England in 4 appearances, so he can't be entierely useless.

    He has talent somewhere. He just wont show it, i think that game where he passed backwards like 99% of the time was the point where it just showed he was scared to try anything.


    he was good for the first few games and when nothing was working he just kinda gave up.

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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:13 am

    For the money paid, Downing is certainly a much worse signing than Doni, atleast Carroll's had some decent games.
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:15 am

    I hate the way in that every game he seems to take a shot from miles out and skies it every time, but he tends to do it in the last minute when we're trailing or need a goal.
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    Post by Laurencio Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:16 am

    El Hadji Diouf was surely worse?
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:16 am

    Cam wrote:I hate the way in that every game he seems to take a shot from miles out and skies it every time, but he tends to do it in the last minute when we're trailing or need a goal.
    Chris Smalling does stuff like this. Fuck you
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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:17 am

    Laurencio wrote:El Hadji Diouf was surely worse?


    I had erased that cunt from my memory, until you brought him up. Mad
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    Post by Jord Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:17 am

    Laurencio wrote:12 games 0 goals, 0 assist

    Lucas.

    Stats are missleading tbh.
    I expect no goals or assists from Lucas all season. As long as he does his job then he's the most important player in the team.

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