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    Post by GK01 Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:50 am

    cheesy wrote:
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    Guus Hiddink could do the management role and appoint someone else for transfers though. It's not exactly unheard of.
    For me though, that's where the problems start to come in? Managers should be doing it themselves, and if he is good enough, then he should be able to make the right signings.

    Fergie signs his players here, Guardiola does it at Barca etc.

    Going to agree with Cheesy. If a manager doesn't make his signings he's running the risk the other guy won't sign the kind of players the club needs/want, they also run the risk of being blamed for something that wasn't there fault and could fuck up their whole managerial career. A manager should be able to do it all really.
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    Post by Laurencio Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:54 am

    GK01 wrote:
    cheesy wrote:For me though, that's where the problems start to come in? Managers should be doing it themselves, and if he is good enough, then he should be able to make the right signings.

    Fergie signs his players here, Guardiola does it at Barca etc.

    Going to agree with Cheesy. If a manager doesn't make his signings he's running the risk the other guy won't sign the kind of players the club needs/want, they also run the risk of being blamed for something that wasn't there fault and could fuck up their whole managerial career. A manager should be able to do it all really.

    A good partnership in transfers would work brilliantly. A man who knows what the squad needs (Hiddink) could tell a director or assistant what type of player they are lacking, the director or assistant then takes on the job of finding that type of player through the use of the scouting network and whatever contacts he has.

    Obviously the manager needs to be in charge of when to sign a new player and what type of player to sign, but having someone else do the job of actually acquiring the player and finding the right target isn't necessarily a bad move.
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    Post by Demba Ba Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:58 am

    Laurencio wrote:
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    Going to agree with Cheesy. If a manager doesn't make his signings he's running the risk the other guy won't sign the kind of players the club needs/want, they also run the risk of being blamed for something that wasn't there fault and could fuck up their whole managerial career. A manager should be able to do it all really.

    A good partnership in transfers would work brilliantly. A man who knows what the squad needs (Hiddink) could tell a director or assistant what type of player they are lacking, the director or assistant then takes on the job of finding that type of player through the use of the scouting network and whatever contacts he has.

    Obviously the manager needs to be in charge of when to sign a new player and what type of player to sign, but having someone else do the job of actually acquiring the player and finding the right target isn't necessarily a bad move.
    For me though, it's that whole idea that I'm not sure whether Hiddink would know what sort of players he should be going after. I don't think finding players would really be his problem at all.

    I simply don't think that having a director of football works. The way I see it, if a manager is good enough, then he shouldn't have to sign over one of the most important parts of the job to someone else.

    A perfect example of how a director of football can interfere was Comolli at Spurs. He drove out both Jol and Ramos, as they weren't given the space to make all of their own signings. Redknapp came in, had the space to sign who he wanted and build his own side. Look at them now. It's worked perfectly.
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    Post by Grenade Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:03 am

    cheesy wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:

    Guus Hiddink could do the management role and appoint someone else for transfers though. It's not exactly unheard of.
    For me though, that's where the problems start to come in? Managers should be doing it themselves, and if he is good enough, then he should be able to make the right signings.

    Fergie signs his players here, Guardiola does it at Barca etc.
    Pep does not do Barca's transfers.
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    Post by Laurencio Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:07 am

    cheesy wrote:
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    A good partnership in transfers would work brilliantly. A man who knows what the squad needs (Hiddink) could tell a director or assistant what type of player they are lacking, the director or assistant then takes on the job of finding that type of player through the use of the scouting network and whatever contacts he has.

    Obviously the manager needs to be in charge of when to sign a new player and what type of player to sign, but having someone else do the job of actually acquiring the player and finding the right target isn't necessarily a bad move.
    For me though, it's that whole idea that I'm not sure whether Hiddink would know what sort of players he should be going after. I don't think finding players would really be his problem at all.

    I simply don't think that having a director of football works. The way I see it, if a manager is good enough, then he shouldn't have to sign over one of the most important parts of the job to someone else.

    A perfect example of how a director of football can interfere was Comolli at Spurs. He drove out both Jol and Ramos, as they weren't given the space to make all of their own signings. Redknapp came in, had the space to sign who he wanted and build his own side. Look at them now. It's worked perfectly.

    I think you are under-rating Hiddink's tactical and footballing knowledge. Obviously he will be able to see what is missing from his squad, he does that at the international level all the time.

    Redknapp doesn't pick all the players though. He gives Levy a list of who he wants based on reports from scouts, from coaches and from his own experience, and Levy does what he can to get them. Redknapp is in no way the only man in charge of transfers.
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    Post by Demba Ba Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:13 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    cheesy wrote:For me though, it's that whole idea that I'm not sure whether Hiddink would know what sort of players he should be going after. I don't think finding players would really be his problem at all.

    I simply don't think that having a director of football works. The way I see it, if a manager is good enough, then he shouldn't have to sign over one of the most important parts of the job to someone else.

    A perfect example of how a director of football can interfere was Comolli at Spurs. He drove out both Jol and Ramos, as they weren't given the space to make all of their own signings. Redknapp came in, had the space to sign who he wanted and build his own side. Look at them now. It's worked perfectly.

    I think you are under-rating Hiddink's tactical and footballing knowledge. Obviously he will be able to see what is missing from his squad, he does that at the international level all the time.

    Redknapp doesn't pick all the players though. He gives Levy a list of who he wants based on reports from scouts, from coaches and from his own experience, and Levy does what he can to get them. Redknapp is in no way the only man in charge of transfers.
    I may be underrating him to an extent, but I just don't think it's as simple as some think. Hiddink may bring about some major improvements at Chelsea, however he's not the messiah some Chelsea fans would like him to be, in my opinion.
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    Post by Laurencio Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:01 am

    cheesy wrote:
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    I think you are under-rating Hiddink's tactical and footballing knowledge. Obviously he will be able to see what is missing from his squad, he does that at the international level all the time.

    Redknapp doesn't pick all the players though. He gives Levy a list of who he wants based on reports from scouts, from coaches and from his own experience, and Levy does what he can to get them. Redknapp is in no way the only man in charge of transfers.
    I may be underrating him to an extent, but I just don't think it's as simple as some think. Hiddink may bring about some major improvements at Chelsea, however he's not the messiah some Chelsea fans would like him to be, in my opinion.

    Obviously, but he's probably the only man who will get the time needed from Abromovich.
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    Post by Guest Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:01 am

    Not every manager is good at spotting talent though. Why not leave the talent spotting to a specialist?

    Look at Newcastle, their chief scout found the likes of Tiote and Cabaye. Would Pardew have found them himself? Nope.
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    Post by Cadbury Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:29 am

    Britfag wrote:Not every manager is good at spotting talent though. Why not leave the talent spotting to a specialist?

    Look at Newcastle, their chief scout found the likes of Tiote and Cabaye. Would Pardew have found them himself? Nope.

    Loads of people knew about Cabaye to be fair shifty.
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    Post by Jordi Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:31 am

    Britfag wrote:Not every manager is good at spotting talent though. Why not leave the talent spotting to a specialist?

    Look at Newcastle, their chief scout found the likes of Tiote and Cabaye. Would Pardew have found them himself? Nope.
    Pardew bought Lambert though. not worthy

    In reality, Dean Wilkins probably told him to buy him. Neutral
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    Post by Danny Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:52 am

    Eternal Witcher wrote:They paid something around 7 million to get AVB? Would be mad to sack him anytime soon.
    Abramovic is a little mad though.
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    Post by Guest Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:00 am

    SSN: Villas-Boas sacked
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    Post by FishnChips Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:38 am

    No.
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    Post by Jord Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:47 am

    I would never blame AVB for the results. Some of the reasons have already been mentioned.

    The squad he's in charge of is one of the weakest Chelsea sides in years. He has two liabilities constantly starting for him: David Luiz is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen play in the Premier League and Torres is a striker who simply cannot score to save his life.

    Of course Acelotti should of never been sacked in the first place.
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    Post by Kuled Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:17 am

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    Post by Danny Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:19 am

    Jord wrote:I would never blame AVB for the results. Some of the reasons have already been mentioned.

    The squad he's in charge of is one of the weakest Chelsea sides in years. He has two liabilities constantly starting for him: David Luiz is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen play in the Premier League and Torres is a striker who simply cannot score to save his life.

    Of course Acelotti should of never been sacked in the first place.
    Wait, you won't blame AVB, but isn't he the one starting David Luiz and the one who sold the far better defender Alex? shifty

    Won't mention Torres because he doesn't really start now Drogba's back.
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    Post by Guest Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:26 am

    Danny wrote:
    Jord wrote:I would never blame AVB for the results. Some of the reasons have already been mentioned.

    The squad he's in charge of is one of the weakest Chelsea sides in years. He has two liabilities constantly starting for him: David Luiz is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen play in the Premier League and Torres is a striker who simply cannot score to save his life.

    Of course Acelotti should of never been sacked in the first place.
    Wait, you won't blame AVB, but isn't he the one starting David Luiz and the one who sold the far better defender Alex? shifty

    Won't mention Torres because he doesn't really start now Drogba's back.

    Luiz has to start, he's one of our most creative players. Would probably be playing better if we were playing well and had a better midfield in front of him.

    Although I don't think AVB should have done what he did to Alex and Anelka.
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    Post by Danny Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:31 am

    Moose wrote:
    Danny wrote:Wait, you won't blame AVB, but isn't he the one starting David Luiz and the one who sold the far better defender Alex? shifty

    Won't mention Torres because he doesn't really start now Drogba's back.

    Luiz has to start, he's one of our most creative players. Would probably be playing better if we were playing well and had a better midfield in front of him.

    Although I don't think AVB should have done what he did to Alex and Anelka.
    One of your most creative players is your centre back, says it all. Laughing

    Just a pity he can't do his primary job well.
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    Post by FishnChips Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:33 am

    The match against brum will decide his faith IMO. It's not the way things should work but our players are used to it.

    What he should have done instead of using this season to "evaluate" our current squad is shipping out the dead wood.
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    Post by Kuled Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:41 am

    GONE
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    Post by Paulinho Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:49 am

    Done&Dusted
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    Post by Pippo Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:51 am

    He was manager for 104 days, 18 hours, 17 minuites and 16 seconds
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    Post by dena Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:11 am

    Jesus christ they actually sacked him facepalm

    Chelsea is a black hole.

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