Capello Quits

Walcott wrote:Sam #Allardyce: My focus is West Ham, we are top of the league and want to clinch promotion so my thoughts are not on the England job #WHUFC

Pretty sure he wasnt in the running anyway. I hope.

Lux wrote:There is a reason for it RR.

The FA, the players, the whole dam nation....want someone English. Why? We want someone who we know actually cares about the success of our team, not just a massive paycheck. Someone who knows and understands the English culture, someone who can properly and effectively communicate with the FA, the players and the nation.

Sure, someone who isn't English could very well do that. That's why foreign managers have been appointed.....but why even risk it when there are capable English managers?

Frankly, I don't understand why you'd not see giving our own population's people an advantage as a good thing. IMO....it's the countries prerogative to favour it's own people, surely? The country has a responsibility to look after it's own people. Whether or not that is supposedly "racist" or not doesn't matter to me. It's not racist, it won't be long before people don't even care if you're racist, because everyone will be due to it being so easy to be one. Anything you do will be "racist" soon

I'm all for giving people who aren't English/British opportunities, but only if there is a need for their services. It's beneficial in every single way to give jobs to your own citizens, why outsource and betray your own population if there is not the need? English managers are capable of managing England.....so whilst I don't mind someone foreign having the role, I'd rather someone English was.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:That is textbook discrimination.

'Anything you do will be "racist"' is not true unless you want to discriminate against people of different nationalities or races. I imagine you'll come up against this problem quite a lot, whereas I won't. What do you think that means?

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:That is textbook discrimination.

'Anything you do will be "racist"' is not true unless you want to discriminate against people of different nationalities or races. I imagine you'll come up against this problem quite a lot, whereas I won't. What do you think that means?

I don't care if it's "discrimination". End of the day I have no problem with anyone other nationality or race, but British people pay taxes....they grow up here and it's the responsibility of their country to look after them. If they are skilled and can do the job, then it only makes sense to give them the opportunity. What is more important....really? Might as well say you're "Familyist" for looking after your family over others and make it out to be a bad and unacceptable thing. For me...I'd consider my country to be a larger extension of my family..albeit not nearly as important to me but...more than other nationalities, even though I don't have a problem with those other nationalities. The world isn't one country, and we don't all work together...end of the day it's down to economics and politics as well. You can't just forgo everything in the name of a world paradise, when it doesn't exist and the world doesn't work in that way.

Also, lots of people say "you're racist" or "that's racism" and it's bullshit. I don't come up against it at all, I have never been called racist in real life, on here some people misunderstand me because they don't know me...and either assume the wrong things or just have a different opinion. Most of my friends are not white British....quite a few are immigrants and for me...those kinds of things don't matter. They are great people and I have never considered their nationality in a negative way. That doesn't stop me from having some level of Nationalist views though...and anyone who tries to play some kind of "greater than thou" game where they live in some deluded world where all that matters is "racism" is not going to get anyone calling them racist....why would it?.....but to even say (like yourself) that that actually means something on it's own is ridiculous.

In a time where unemployment is so high.....it's completely unsustainable and unfair on our citizens to not help them out.....in the same way that all other countries help their people out with priority. The England managerial job carries the same principle.....so whilst it's not a job where it matters as much to our people.....you can't have double standards.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Italian people pay taxes, Dutch people pay taxes, in fact I suspect that Mr. Hiddink has contributed significantly more in his lifetime to the UK exchequer than you have, given his roles with Chelsea. Does he deserve more 'looking after' than you? Does that 'only make sense' ?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Looking after your family over others is wrong, I for one would never accept a position or an employ because of my family connections, it is a bad and unacceptable thing. It's not called 'familyism' though, it's called 'Cronyism' and it's frowned upon, everywhere, seen as a sign of corruption. Unfortunately it is very very difficult to legislate against.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:What matters is the law of the land, which explicitly forbids discrimination on the basis of nationality in employment, and classes it as racism.

You talk about respect for your nation, why don't you respect it's laws?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:On the contrary, it's unsustainable to give inferior candidates jobs simply because of their nationality. Protectionism is a retarded strategy, and recognition of this is why the EU has been so successful.

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Italian people pay taxes, Dutch people pay taxes, in fact I suspect that Mr. Hiddink has contributed significantly more in his lifetime to the UK exchequer than you have, given his roles with Chelsea. Does he deserve more 'looking after' than you? Does that 'only make sense' ?

Taxes is only one point. The main point for me is that if you're born in England...then your country has the responsibility of looking after you. Foreign people should be aided by their countries too. Is it our responsibility to look after foreign people? No it's not....so for me it's not only reasonable, but a responsibility to look after your own. If not then what chance do these people have? Who can they rely on to fight for them? Surely they have a right to be looked after by their country? If foreign people are "more employable" then that is the failure of our country, and we should look to improve that, not contribute further to our own failings.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Looking after your family over others is wrong, I for one would never accept a position or an employ because of my family connections, it is a bad and unacceptable thing. It's not called 'familyism' though, it's called 'Cronyism' and it's frowned upon, everywhere, seen as a sign of corruption. Unfortunately it is very very difficult to legislate against.

. That's your opinion, think you'll find most won't agree with you. Next it will be "Ok...I've just given birth to you son....off to the orphanage because you're as important to me as any other person in the world. I have no emotional connection anyone, I love everyone the same and my name is ResurrectionRooney.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:What matters is the law of the land, which explicitly forbids discrimination on the basis of nationality in employment, and classes it as racism.

You talk about respect for your nation, why don't you respect it's laws?

I don't wholly believe that there should be discrimination on the basis of nationality. Only to an extent...

End of the day I'm not a sheep, I don't live my life believing and following the ideals of the politicians who happen to be in charge of our country. They supposedly represent us...but the fact that you want them to not care about us any more than anyone in the world pretty much sums up how much that means. Nothing....they don't represent me that's for sure. In general....I do respect our laws, especially in comparison to many parts of the world which are much worse...but that simply isn't enough for me. I can hope for more, and better for our people. If I don't think that a law is right, then I won't respect it. Laws can be retracted....views can be changed...

ResurrectionRooney wrote:On the contrary, it's unsustainable to give inferior candidates jobs simply because of their nationality. Protectionism is a retarded strategy, and recognition of this is why the EU has been so successful.

Generally, I agree that if someone is inferior, they shouldn't get the job. But that should only go so far..and the government, companies and people should understand their responsibilities. You can't abandon the people of your country who rely on you.....if you do that then quite obviously you are going to fail, especially when foreign people are given higher priority from their governments....and to some extent you could argue that they have been given higher priority even from our government....sometimes more so than our own people. If anything is wrong...it's that.

Protectionism is great.....until the world is a borderless paradise it's the best way to look out for yourself. If you don't, when other nations do...then you and your people are going to lose out big time. I'm all for world peace, equality and happiness but some selfishness and self preservation is nothing to be ashamed of.

End of the day. An English manager can be the manager of England. They are qualified, and capable....so to not actively seek one would be absurd.

Barton wrote:So basically foreigners don't deserve to manage the national team? No matter how qualified or experinced he is it should be an Englishman.

mauro=beast wrote:i dont think english managers are capable of managing england., the managers with the best records when managing england in modern times have all been either foreign(capello, erikkson) or have heavy foreign influence and did their badges abroad(hoddle)

Lux wrote:

Barton wrote:So basically foreigners don't deserve to manage the national team? No matter how qualified or experinced he is it should be an Englishman.

.....You say that as if there's some super human foreign managers, and all the English managers are incapable of doing the job.

That's simply not the case.....if it was then it'd be a different story.

Barton wrote:

Lux wrote:

.....You say that as if there's some super human foreign managers, and all the English managers are incapable of doing the job.

That's simply not the case.....if it was then it'd be a different story.

Let's just assume Harry Redknapp dosen't want the England job, the only Englishman who is actually in contention for the job. We would have Stuart Pearce incharge, someone i don't rate highly enough in comparisson to the likes of Guus Hidink who is in contention and a realistic target.

Barton wrote:Englishman in contention to get the job:

Harry Redknapp (wouldn't be surpirsed if he turned it down)
Roy Hodsgon
Stuart Pearce

Excellent shortlist Lux, we don't need any of those bloody forgieners.

Glen Damon wrote:RR, what are your views on Rooney's racist tweet, saying that the new manager has to be English? I gave him a earful with a response.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Glen Damon wrote:RR, what are your views on Rooney's racist tweet, saying that the new manager has to be English? I gave him a earful with a response.

I'm saddened by it.

Danny wrote:Think Rio said a similar thing as well.

And Owen, not like he should really give a fuck.