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    Post by menalawyerguy Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:37 pm

    All World Cup games are big. But yes, I agree with you in general. In big games, he delivered more often than not. The only really big game that he screwed up was Germany. But everybody screwed that up. Germany was superior anyway, so it's not all that fair to hang that one on Capello.
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    Post by ricky//habana Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:38 pm

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:What, we're counting an opening group game against USA as a big game now? Well then the Final game against Slovenia must be a massive game, and he won that. What about the games against Croatia? What about the games that saw us qualify for Euro 2012?

    All finals matches are big games. If you just count big games as playing big teams he didn't manageenough with decisive results to judge one way or the other.
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    Post by menalawyerguy Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:40 pm

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    menalawyerguy wrote:Well, selecting Green was his decision. It was obviously the wrong decision. Green deserves the blame for being shit. Fabio deserves the blame for selecting a keeper who was shit. In his defense, his only other viable choices were James or Hart. He elected against selecting Hart because of his lack of experience. But Hart obviously is good enough as is. Managers need to recognize that.

    Capello cannot be blamed for that mistake, it's not his fault. What happened the last time an English manager selected a debutant because he was obviously good enough? It was Scott Carson and he had a holocaust, his career never recovering. If he'd picked Hart for his competitive debut in a match like that, a mistake would have been just as likely, if not more likely to make a mistake. The other choice? David 'Calamity' James.

    It's not Capello's fault that English goalkeepers are shit. He selected Hart, as was right to do, when smaller games came around, in order to get him established and stand him in good stead for Euro 2012, where he will be undisputed No. 1.



    Fair enough. I personally think Hart would have done well. But you're right, it could have just as easily gone to shit. We'll never know. All we have now is the luxury of hindsight. I think Capello takes more shit than he deserves and it's probably mostly due to his nationality and his mangling of English. It's not fair.
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    Post by Laurencio Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:50 pm

    Fabio Capello is a terrific manager. His downfall with England was never his managerial ability or tactical aptitude.
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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:51 pm

    Laurencio wrote:Fabio Capello is a terrific manager. His downfall with England was never his managerial ability or tactical aptitude.

    who do you think is the best option now?

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    Post by Laurencio Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:58 pm

    NZG wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:Fabio Capello is a terrific manager. His downfall with England was never his managerial ability or tactical aptitude.

    who do you think is the best option now?




    There are only two options in my opinion. Harry Redknapp and Guus Hiddink. The others mentioned are hardly realistic, or are simply just wrong. There aer a few qualities I'm looking for in a new England manager. Obviously he must want the job. Second he needs to be able to motivate the players and build their confidence. Third he needs to be smart and humble enough to accept that politics plays a part in the international scene, especially with england. Fourth he needs to be excepational at handling the media and whatever controversy that may arise.

    Wenger probably doesn't want the job, so I'm not particulary for him.

    Mourinho will probably have the same problem as Capello in terms of authority restriction which is a condition of international management, and he's a tad too young to be satisfied with international management in my opinion.

    Hodgson is just a terrible option. Couldn't motivate or gain trust in Liverpool, and won't do well with English press and player egos.

    Pardew needs a lot more experience first.

    Trappatoni is a little too old, he probably doesn't want the pressures of being the England manager, especially after how foreign managers have been treated in the past few years.

    Guus Hiddink is maybe the better overal manager, but the players want Harry Redknapp, and Redknapp desperately wants the job. It's tight between them though.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:59 pm

    "I was shocked. I was surprised. We knew he would leave in summer. I didn't expect it to happen now.

    "Tottenham have been fantastic. The fans were great in the Wigan game.

    "It wouldn't be right to focus on anything else other than Tottenham. That's my focus.

    "I never thought about it [the England job]. They [the FA] will make whatever decision they want to make and hopefully be right for the country."
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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:01 pm

    Laurencio wrote:
    NZG wrote:

    who do you think is the best option now?




    There are only two options in my opinion. Harry Redknapp and Guus Hiddink. The others mentioned are hardly realistic, or are simply just wrong. There aer a few qualities I'm looking for in a new England manager. Obviously he must want the job. Second he needs to be able to motivate the players and build their confidence. Third he needs to be smart and humble enough to accept that politics plays a part in the international scene, especially with england. Fourth he needs to be excepational at handling the media and whatever controversy that may arise.

    Wenger probably doesn't want the job, so I'm not particulary for him.

    Mourinho will probably have the same problem as Capello in terms of authority restriction which is a condition of international management, and he's a tad too young to be satisfied with international management in my opinion.

    Hodgson is just a terrible option. Couldn't motivate or gain trust in Liverpool, and won't do well with English press and player egos.

    Pardew needs a lot more experience first.

    Trappatoni is a little too old, he probably doesn't want the pressures of being the England manager, especially after how foreign managers have been treated in the past few years.

    Guus Hiddink is maybe the better overal manager, but the players want Harry Redknapp, and Redknapp desperately wants the job. It's tight between them though.

    What about rafa man?
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    Post by menalawyerguy Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:02 pm

    ResurrectionRooney wrote: "I was shocked. I was surprised. We knew he would leave in summer. I didn't expect it to happen now.

    "Tottenham have been fantastic. The fans were great in the Wigan game.

    "It wouldn't be right to focus on anything else other than Tottenham. That's my focus.

    "I never thought about it [the England job]. They [the FA] will make whatever decision they want to make and hopefully be right for the country."



    Naturally. He's being politically correct. What else would you expect him to say? Not every manager is openly disrespectful to his current employers, like Mourinho.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:03 pm

    menalawyerguy wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote: "I was shocked. I was surprised. We knew he would leave in summer. I didn't expect it to happen now.

    "Tottenham have been fantastic. The fans were great in the Wigan game.

    "It wouldn't be right to focus on anything else other than Tottenham. That's my focus.

    "I never thought about it [the England job]. They [the FA] will make whatever decision they want to make and hopefully be right for the country."



    Naturally. He's being politically correct. What else would you expect him to say? Not every manager is openly disrespectful to his current employers, like Mourinho.

    I'd expect him to maintain his silence.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:05 pm

    Perhaps Harry could stay with Spurs and Rosie47 could manage England.
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    Post by easley91 Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:36 pm

    It's got to be someone who the players want to play for, and judging by Rio and Rooney's tweets, it's Redknapp. Say what you want about him, but he is a great man manager. Who else would get Luka Modric playing so well after wanting to leave in the summer? The players love playing for him, and you can see it on the pitch. He tells the players to do their jobs, no confusion about what the job is. Just stay there and defend, or come back when needed, or attack if it allows. Simple stuff, and the players are good enough to execute it. We need an English manager, at least because of the language barrier. How are the players meant to understand what the manager wants if they can't understand him?

    RR I wouldn't look to much into Harry's interview this morning, but I hope he's right and at least focuses on Tottenham til the summer. It's the least we deserve for sticking by him throughout the trial.
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    Post by Laurencio Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:41 pm

    NZG wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:



    There are only two options in my opinion. Harry Redknapp and Guus Hiddink. The others mentioned are hardly realistic, or are simply just wrong. There aer a few qualities I'm looking for in a new England manager. Obviously he must want the job. Second he needs to be able to motivate the players and build their confidence. Third he needs to be smart and humble enough to accept that politics plays a part in the international scene, especially with england. Fourth he needs to be excepational at handling the media and whatever controversy that may arise.

    Wenger probably doesn't want the job, so I'm not particulary for him.

    Mourinho will probably have the same problem as Capello in terms of authority restriction which is a condition of international management, and he's a tad too young to be satisfied with international management in my opinion.

    Hodgson is just a terrible option. Couldn't motivate or gain trust in Liverpool, and won't do well with English press and player egos.

    Pardew needs a lot more experience first.

    Trappatoni is a little too old, he probably doesn't want the pressures of being the England manager, especially after how foreign managers have been treated in the past few years.

    Guus Hiddink is maybe the better overal manager, but the players want Harry Redknapp, and Redknapp desperately wants the job. It's tight between them though.

    What about rafa man?

    Exceptional media handling doesn't really fit the man. He showed cracks in his facade as Liverpool manager under pressure, the England job has a lot more pressure with it.
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    Post by Laurencio Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:00 pm

    Press conference coming up shortly:

    http://falive.tv/
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    Post by Childish Logic Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:05 pm

    Laurencio wrote:
    NZG wrote:

    What about rafa man?

    Exceptional media handling doesn't really fit the man. He showed cracks in his facade as Liverpool manager under pressure, the England job has a lot more pressure with it.

    Good Laughing Hope rafa stays away from that job shifty
    Thanks dude.
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    Post by Laurencio Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:12 pm

    Pearce will take charge in the game against the dutch while the search for a new manager is conducted. The FA's strategy is to find a manager who can develop a strong relationship to players and a manager who can establish a long-term structure of play to ensure future stability and long term success.

    Edit:

    Manager will not necessarily be English. Preference is for someone British, but they want the best so they will not pick an Englishman unless that is the best option for the FA.
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    Post by easley91 Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:40 pm

    I still think they'd prefer Harry though. If Capello left after the Euros, Harry was definite, but with him leaving now the FA will probably look somewhere else if Levy digs in.
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    Post by Guest Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:43 pm

    Who would actually want the job?
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    Post by Jordi Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:46 pm

    Laurencio wrote:Pearce will take charge in the game against the dutch while the search for a new manager is conducted. The FA's strategy is to find a manager who can develop a strong relationship to players and a manager who can establish a long-term structure of play to ensure future stability and long term success.

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    Manager will not necessarily be English. Preference is for someone British, but they want the best so they will not pick an Englishman unless that is the best option for the FA.
    Benitez, or Hiddink. pray

    Brendan Rodgers would be good.
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    Post by Guest Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:50 pm

    I would rather we appointed someone funny, than someone half decent. Is that wrong of me? I would love to see gazza in charge. Laughing
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    Post by Kuled Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:52 pm

    Player-manager hehe
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    Post by easley91 Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:55 pm

    Smithy..
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    Post by menalawyerguy Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:56 pm

    Big_Lad_Pardew wrote:Who would actually want the job?



    Somebody who wants between $7 and $11 million per year for a couple years or so just to manage about a dozen games per year with nice breaks in between games and the occasional press conference with one of the bitchiest medias in the world.
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    Post by easley91 Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:57 pm

    menalawyerguy wrote:
    Big_Lad_Pardew wrote:Who would actually want the job?



    Somebody who wants between $7 and $11 million per year for a couple years or so just to manage about a dozen games per year with nice breaks in between games and the occasional press conference with one of the bitchiest medias in the world.
    I'll do it.
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    Post by easley91 Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:58 pm

    Failing that..




























    Steve Evans and Paul Raynor, you know it would work.
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    Post by Guest Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:42 am

    Big_Lad_Pardew wrote:Who would actually want the job?

    Someone who is going to retire
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    Post by Guest Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:46 am

    I hear Phil Brown doesn't have a job.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:02 am

    One thing that I'm not happy with is all the players coming out on Twitter and publicly backing a particular candidate, or making nationalist comments. What happens if a foreign person takes the job now? Or someone like Roy Hodgson? Hodgson, and the foreigner in particular, will know that they are not wanted by the present players. Have we really got to the stage where senior players pick the manager? If that's the case then why bother having a manager at all, why not just let the players manage themselves?
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    Post by menalawyerguy Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:59 am

    I agree entirely (bookmark it. May not happen again). There's been way too much public campaigning going on.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:14 am

    Dr. Ján Ĩtor wrote:
    Theo Filippo wrote:It's just an excuse for limited footballers.

    Don't recall Spain or Italy smashing on about their squad full of passion.

    I seem to recall pep guardiola getting id of ronaldinho, deco, eto'o etc in favour of some young catalans who most certainly had the passhun

    I don't

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