The Conduct of Wayne Rooney (same question as RR)

Mason_Inzaghi wrote:

Andy wrote:

Montenegro I meant.

Did SAF actually defend's Rooney's actions though?

to answer OP, because fans are dumb.

Mason_Inzaghi wrote:Maybe not on this forum, but I do happen to remember Alex Ferguson defending Wayne Rooney after his stamp in the Macedonia vs England game.

Your memory is off then. He refused to condemn the incident on the basis that he hadn't seen it.

dena wrote:to answer OP, because fans are dumb.

Not sure if serious.

Mason_Inzaghi wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Well Ferguson is an extremely biased man who will do dishonourable things to protect his players, including lying to the press and condoning unpleasant behaviour. Your question relates to Manchester United fans though.

It does not. I have clearly stated in the OP that I am asking why Manchester United, the club, defend this behaviour of Wayne Rooney.

Well it's not the same question as RR then. I doubt you'll find an answer as to Manchester United's behaviour as a club from anyone on here unless there are members of Man Utd's staff who have accounts. Not having a go, just calling it as I see it. This was just a retaliation thread.

Mason_Inzaghi wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Unacceptable, I do not defend this.


They were abusing him, it's fair enough.



Unpleasant and regrettable behaviour.

That is not correct. The Manchester United fans were abusing Luis Suarez does this mean he can abuse them too?

To a certain extent. If he says 'Nice to see rivals fans booing ya, that's what loyal support is' then I wouldn't have a problem with it. If he decided to abuse them in a less graceful way, for example, by giving them a one fingered salute or racially abusing a supporter, then I would have a problem with it.

kyro7 wrote:Because Rooney can be a massive cunt who does wrong things when things aren't going his away, I'm not afraid to say that about him because he's a United player..

Liverpool fans only defend Suarez when it's defendable.

We defend him for the handball at the World Cup because most players would have done the same.

We defend him for the Evra incident, because the whole case was a joke and the FA made the verdict revolving around 'probability'. The whole thing was very debatable and not clear cut at all.

We defended Suarez for the kick on Parker because the intention of the kick was very debatable.

Have you lot not noticed that when Suarez does something that isn't defendable, we don't defend him? For example, I don't see any Liverpool fans defending his bite on that player in Holland. We all collectively accept that it was a bad thing to do. Because we can see it was a bad thing to do and is undefendable.

The reason Man United fans don't defend Rooney, is because the things he has done have been undefendable. Simple as that. There's no debate about them. There is no argument to be had. His kick on that player when playing for England, his elbow on McCarthy, his swearing into a live Sky Camera all have one thing in common. They're undefendable. That's the only reason Man United fans don't defend Rooney's actions.

For the one millionth time... the verdict was made by an independent commission, NOT the FA.

Scott wrote:Liverpool fans only defend Suarez when it's defendable.

We defend him for the handball at the World Cup because most players would have done the same.

We defend him for the Evra incident, because the whole case was a joke and the FA made the verdict revolving around 'probability'. The whole thing was very debatable and not clear cut at all.

We defended Suarez for the kick on Parker because the intention of the kick was very debatable.

Have you lot not noticed that when Suarez does something that isn't defendable, we don't defend him? For example, I don't see any Liverpool fans defending his bite on that player in Holland. We all collectively accept that it was a bad thing to do. Because we can see it was a bad thing to do and is undefendable.

The reason Man United fans don't defend Rooney, is because the things he has done have been undefendable. Simple as that. There's no debate about them. There is no argument to be had. His kick on that player when playing for England, his elbow on McCarthy, his swearing into a live Sky Camera all have one thing in common. They're undefendable. That's the only reason Man United fans don't defend Rooney's actions.

Yeah, alright, cheating a country out of the world cup is defensible, racially abusing an opponent is defensible, extremely reckless play (at best) is defensible, diving is defensible, it's the rest of the world that's got it in for poor misunderstood Luis Suarez. The FA, Sky Sports, The Sun, the Professional Footballers Association, the Court of Arbitration for sport, Sir Alex Ferguson, Patrice Evra, the independent commission which Ferguson corrupted, and so on, all of them are working to hurt poor little Luis and only brave King Kenny can see through it all and lead the fight against it.

Do you even fucking listen to yourself?

Defendable lol

The only ones really defending Suarez are Liverpool fans, if the things against him were debatable you'd have people from all sides arguing their points not just Liverpool fans

Why doesn't anyone read the god damn report? Please answer me this. Every time someone discusses Suarez racially abusing Evra, no one has ever read the report. How can you assume to know the truth about anything if you don't actually look at the provided evidence and explanations? How?

'Cheating a country out of the world cup' may be true, but it's hyperbolic. What he did is defendable because it was done out of instinct. Man United players have done the same. Many, many footballers have done the same, out of pure instinct. So, yes, it's defendable.

'Racially abusing an opponent' is also just your view on it. Not necessarily what happened. Suarez has defended it, explaining his true meaning behind what he said. The whole culteral misunderstanding is enough for it to be deemed as defendable and debatable.

'Extremely reckless play' is true. But his intentions behind the kick are defendable. People are saying he intentionally kicked Parker, and people are saying he went for the ball. Debatable, and defendable.

'Diving' is not defendable. You're correct. However you do seem to defend United players for diving, saying they're helping the Ref make the right decision. I don't agree with that, anyhow. To me, Suarez's diving is undefendable.

Laurencio wrote:Why doesn't anyone read the god damn report? Please answer me this. Every time someone discusses Suarez racially abusing Evra, no one has ever read the report. How can you assume to know the truth about anything if you don't actually look at the provided evidence and explanations? How?

Because the report is based on what the FA think 'probably' happened.

Billy Davies wrote:Rooney merked some Liverpool fan on Twitter

Rooney

Keanoo wrote:

Billy Davies wrote:Rooney merked some Liverpool fan on Twitter

Rooney

I love how player's are allowed to do stuff and not get criticized for it (not sarcasm). Players like Owen (that fat guy blurb), Rooney, and Barton have said stuff like this and the media doesn't attack them. Over here if someone said anything like that they would probably put their head on a stake.

Scott wrote:'Cheating a country out of the world cup' may be true, but it's hyperbolic. What he did is defendable because it was done out of instinct. Man United players have done the same. Many, many footballers have done the same, out of pure instinct. So, yes, it's defendable.

Is it fuck, it's worse than any diving, that's for sure.

'Racially abusing an opponent' is also just your view on it. Not necessarily what happened. Suarez has defended it, explaining his true meaning behind what he said. The whole culteral misunderstanding is enough for it to be deemed as defendable and debatable.

It probably happened, and he probably meant it in an abusive way, and you're happy defending him despite that?

'Extremely reckless play' is true. But his intentions behind the kick are defendable. People are saying he intentionally kicked Parker, and people are saying he went for the ball. Debatable, and defendable.

So you agree he should have been sent off?

Scott wrote:

Laurencio wrote:Why doesn't anyone read the god damn report? Please answer me this. Every time someone discusses Suarez racially abusing Evra, no one has ever read the report. How can you assume to know the truth about anything if you don't actually look at the provided evidence and explanations? How?

Because the report is based on what the FA think 'probably' happened.

No it isn't you thick fucking wanker!

Scott wrote:Liverpool fans only defend Suarez when it's defendable.

We defend him for the handball at the World Cup because most players would have done the same.

We defend him for the Evra incident, because the whole case was a joke and the FA made the verdict revolving around 'probability'. The whole thing was very debatable and not clear cut at all.

We defended Suarez for the kick on Parker because the intention of the kick was very debatable.

Have you lot not noticed that when Suarez does something that isn't defendable, we don't defend him? For example, I don't see any Liverpool fans defending his bite on that player in Holland. We all collectively accept that it was a bad thing to do. Because we can see it was a bad thing to do and is undefendable.

The reason Man United fans don't defend Rooney, is because the things he has done have been undefendable. Simple as that. There's no debate about them. There is no argument to be had. His kick on that player when playing for England, his elbow on McCarthy, his swearing into a live Sky Camera all have one thing in common. They're undefendable. That's the only reason Man United fans don't defend Rooney's actions.

How do you know that most players would have done what Suarez did in the World Cup? There are a lot of players that play with sportsmanship in mind. I personally wouldn't do something like that. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that the success of my team was thanks to my cheating antics. Besides, that doesn't excuse his actions. He illegally denied an African country a place in the semifinal of a World Cup. The fact is he did something wrong.

Suarez admitted to saying "negro" or "negrito". He sure as hell wasn't saying it in a friendly matter to Evra. He was using it to wind an opponent up. He might not be a racist, but the fact is he used a term that could be interpreted as a racial slur (and rightfully so).

Whether intentional or not, he deserved a red card for using excessive force.

Atleast Rooney has the balls to admit he done wrong and to apologise.

Jorlung wrote:

Keanoo wrote:

Rooney

I love how player's are allowed to do stuff and not get criticized for it (not sarcasm). Players like Owen (that fat guy blurb), Rooney, and Barton have said stuff like this and the media doesn't attack them. Over here if someone said anything like that they would probably put their head on a stake.

What Rooney said there was fine.

However, didn't he threaten to assault someone a few months ago?

Scott wrote:

Laurencio wrote:Why doesn't anyone read the god damn report? Please answer me this. Every time someone discusses Suarez racially abusing Evra, no one has ever read the report. How can you assume to know the truth about anything if you don't actually look at the provided evidence and explanations? How?

Because the report is based on what the FA think 'probably' happened.

See, doesn't even bother to read the report, yet assumes to know what it's about.

If you had read it, you would have known there's nothing of the sort in there. It's a collection of statements, expert analysis, video analysis, language analysis, extensive explanation of the decision, extensive records of conversations with Suarez and Evra, written statements by the two of them as well as statements from independent parties.

If you're going to disagree with the report at least have the decency to read it first.

Spot on Scott

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott wrote:'Cheating a country out of the world cup' may be true, but it's hyperbolic. What he did is defendable because it was done out of instinct. Man United players have done the same. Many, many footballers have done the same, out of pure instinct. So, yes, it's defendable.

Is it fuck, it's worse than any diving, that's for sure.

'Racially abusing an opponent' is also just your view on it. Not necessarily what happened. Suarez has defended it, explaining his true meaning behind what he said. The whole culteral misunderstanding is enough for it to be deemed as defendable and debatable.

It probably happened, and he probably meant it in an abusive way, and you're happy defending him despite that?

'Extremely reckless play' is true. But his intentions behind the kick are defendable. People are saying he intentionally kicked Parker, and people are saying he went for the ball. Debatable, and defendable.

So you agree he should have been sent off?

Scott wrote:

Because the report is based on what the FA think 'probably' happened.

No it isn't you thick fucking wanker!

Yes, Suarez could have been sent off. The fact he only just came back from a ban is probably why he only got a yellow.

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:Atleast Rooney has the balls to admit he done wrong and to apologise.

Did he ever apologise for his vicious hate crime against the Irish, with his vulgar elbow cracking the jaw of young Jimmy McCarthy?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott wrote:

Because the report is based on what the FA think 'probably' happened.

No it isn't you thick fucking wanker!

Scott wrote:
'Racially abusing an opponent' is also just your view on it. Not necessarily what happened. Suarez has defended it, explaining his true meaning behind what he said. The whole culteral misunderstanding is enough for it to be deemed as defendable and debatable.

Listen to what Fernando Duarte has to say about those "cultural differences". He spells it out quite nicely. He's a Liverpool fan, a highly respected journalist and expert on south american football.

Glen Damon wrote:

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:Atleast Rooney has the balls to admit he done wrong and to apologise.

Did he ever apologise for his vicious hate crime against the Irish, with his vulgar elbow cracking the jaw of young Jimmy McCarthy?

Rooneys family is Irish

ahlycotc wrote:

Scott wrote:Liverpool fans only defend Suarez when it's defendable.

We defend him for the handball at the World Cup because most players would have done the same.

We defend him for the Evra incident, because the whole case was a joke and the FA made the verdict revolving around 'probability'. The whole thing was very debatable and not clear cut at all.

We defended Suarez for the kick on Parker because the intention of the kick was very debatable.

Have you lot not noticed that when Suarez does something that isn't defendable, we don't defend him? For example, I don't see any Liverpool fans defending his bite on that player in Holland. We all collectively accept that it was a bad thing to do. Because we can see it was a bad thing to do and is undefendable.

The reason Man United fans don't defend Rooney, is because the things he has done have been undefendable. Simple as that. There's no debate about them. There is no argument to be had. His kick on that player when playing for England, his elbow on McCarthy, his swearing into a live Sky Camera all have one thing in common. They're undefendable. That's the only reason Man United fans don't defend Rooney's actions.

How do you know that most players would have done what Suarez did in the World Cup? There are a lot of players that play with sportsmanship in mind. I personally wouldn't do something like that. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that the success of my team was thanks to my cheating antics. Besides, that doesn't excuse his actions. He illegally denied an African country a place in the semifinal of a World Cup. The fact is he did something wrong.

Suarez admitted to saying "negro" or "negrito". He sure as hell wasn't saying it in a friendly matter to Evra. He was using it to wind an opponent up. He might not be a racist, but the fact is he used a term that could be interpreted as a racial slur (and rightfully so).

Whether intentional or not, he deserved a red card for using excessive force.

It's all very well saying you wouldn't do it, but you weren't put in that situation. Plus I said it was instinct. A split second thing. The player next to him tried to do the exact same thing which backs up my point that other players would do the same.

He didn't deny them a place in the semi final. He was sent off and conceded a penalty. If anything, it's Gyan's fault for not even hitting the target.

Sean wrote:

Glen Damon wrote:Did he ever apologise for his vicious hate crime against the Irish, with his vulgar elbow cracking the jaw of young Jimmy McCarthy?

Rooneys family is Irish

Suarez's grandfather is black.

Laurencio wrote:

Scott wrote:
'Racially abusing an opponent' is also just your view on it. Not necessarily what happened. Suarez has defended it, explaining his true meaning behind what he said. The whole culteral misunderstanding is enough for it to be deemed as defendable and debatable.

Listen to what Fernando Duarte has to say about those "cultural differences". He spells it out quite nicely. He's a Liverpool fan, a highly respected journalist and expert on south american football.

And why do you only choose to believe the people that speak against Suarez? Instead of the people who back him up? Like his Uruguayan's team mates.