The Atheist Thread

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If you were cryogenically frozen you'd effectively be dead, does that mean you'd go to heaven or hell? Ahly? Sean?

Death is when the soul leaves the body. So you technically wouldn't be dead.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If you were cryogenically frozen you'd effectively be dead, does that mean you'd go to heaven or hell? Ahly? Sean?

Purgatory.

Nah, I havent a fucking clue

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If you were cryogenically frozen you'd effectively be dead, does that mean you'd go to heaven or hell? Ahly? Sean?

Death is when the soul leaves the body. So you technically wouldn't be dead.

When does the soul leave the body?

Come on now, let's get our fucking thinking caps screwed on for a minute here. Of course no one knows what its like. You're dead, you can't test anything if you're not alive. I personally think its just like sleeping or being knocked unconsius or maybe a coma. But that could be up for debate.

And to say you can't test, I'd say is quite premature. What about people who've died and then been revived? Heart stopped, brain stopped and then have woken up and brought back to life.

What about if someone is cryogenically frozen on a space ship, but then they get jetissoned and just left in the freezing cold of deep space for eternity? When do they go to heaven?

Or even RR's theory. Or even being on a life support machine. Because techincally, it's the machine that keeps you 'alive'.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Death is when the soul leaves the body. So you technically wouldn't be dead.

When does the soul leave the body?

I don't know. Whenever God decides to take your soul away.

So what about my deep space scenario? When do you think it would go, the soul, if ever?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:So what about my deep space scenario? When do you think it would go, the soul, if ever?

Well one day, the universe will be destroyed. So it doesn't matter when you "die" or not. Judgement Day starts at the same time for everyone. And that time is after everything that was created has been destroyed in this universe. The "gates" of Heaven and Hell don't open until Judgement Day is over.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:So what about my deep space scenario? When do you think it would go, the soul, if ever?

Well one day, the universe will be destroyed. So it doesn't matter when you "die" or not. Judgement Day starts at the same time for everyone. And that time is after everything that was created has been destroyed in this universe. The "gates" of Heaven and Hell don't open until Judgement Day is over.

If they dont open, what about people who are dead now?

Sean wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Well one day, the universe will be destroyed. So it doesn't matter when you "die" or not. Judgement Day starts at the same time for everyone. And that time is after everything that was created has been destroyed in this universe. The "gates" of Heaven and Hell don't open until Judgement Day is over.

If they dont open, what about people who are dead now?

Barzakh (Arabic: برزخ), a term that appears in the Qur'an Surah 23, Ayat 100, is the intermediate state in which the soul of the deceased is transferred across the boundaries of the mortal realm into a kind of "cold sleep" where the soul will rest until the Qiyamah (Judgement Day). This concept corresponds to that of soul sleep, not to that of purgatory.

Being dead is the same as before you were born.

ahlycotc wrote:

Sean wrote:

If they dont open, what about people who are dead now?

Barzakh (Arabic: برزخ), a term that appears in the Qur'an Surah 23, Ayat 100, is the intermediate state in which the soul of the deceased is transferred across the boundaries of the mortal realm into a kind of "cold sleep" where the soul will rest until the Qiyamah (Judgement Day). This concept corresponds to that of soul sleep, not to that of purgatory.

So basically in Islam it states that when you die, you are dead.

Lus Suarez wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Barzakh (Arabic: برزخ), a term that appears in the Qur'an Surah 23, Ayat 100, is the intermediate state in which the soul of the deceased is transferred across the boundaries of the mortal realm into a kind of "cold sleep" where the soul will rest until the Qiyamah (Judgement Day). This concept corresponds to that of soul sleep, not to that of purgatory.

So basically in Islam it states that when you die, you are dead.

In the sense that nothing really happens until Judgement Day.

I guess people have came back from the dead before in ancient times as well, so religion had to find a loop around it.

I've been thinking about death and it must be related to concepts time if you think about it.

For the individual, time is only there because we observe it, so when we're not there to observe it time doesn't exist for us anymore. Not sure if that makes sense, but basically I'm thinking that everyone lives their own forever.

Then the other thing is questions about whether time is linear and once it's done it's done. I don't know much about theories surrounding it, but I don't think there is a conclusive answer yet? Which could mean that time repeats itself, so we just live the same life over and over.

Lu❣s Suarez wrote:I guess people have came back from the dead before in ancient times as well, so religion had to find a loop around it.

Errr....ok.

Zzonked wrote:I've been thinking about death and it must be related to concepts time if you think about it.

For the individual, time is only there because we observe it, so when we're not there to observe it time doesn't exist for us anymore. Not sure if that makes sense, but basically I'm thinking that everyone lives their own forever.

Then the other thing is questions about whether time is linear and once it's done it's done. I don't know much about theories surrounding it, but I don't think there is a conclusive answer yet? Which could mean that time repeats itself, so we just live the same life over and over.

Not to mention the whole "Time is slower near black holes".

Lu❣s Suarez wrote:

Zzonked wrote:I've been thinking about death and it must be related to concepts time if you think about it.

For the individual, time is only there because we observe it, so when we're not there to observe it time doesn't exist for us anymore. Not sure if that makes sense, but basically I'm thinking that everyone lives their own forever.

Then the other thing is questions about whether time is linear and once it's done it's done. I don't know much about theories surrounding it, but I don't think there is a conclusive answer yet? Which could mean that time repeats itself, so we just live the same life over and over.

Not to mention the whole "Time is slower near black holes".

I know very little about the theories on black holes.

Time is all relative anyways. Technically an astronaut on the International Space Station is aging at a slower rate than people on Earth.

Zzonked wrote:

Lu❣s Suarez wrote:Not to mention the whole "Time is slower near black holes".

I know very little about the theories on black holes.

You and the scientists both.

Imagine if time is circular and you wasted your life, you'd actually be wasting infinite amount of lives.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:So what about my deep space scenario? When do you think it would go, the soul, if ever?

Well one day, the universe will be destroyed. So it doesn't matter when you "die" or not. Judgement Day starts at the same time for everyone. And that time is after everything that was created has been destroyed in this universe. The "gates" of Heaven and Hell don't open until Judgement Day is over.

Does it say in the Koran that the whole universe will be destroyed? What if he is in another star system? Or another galaxy?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Well one day, the universe will be destroyed. So it doesn't matter when you "die" or not. Judgement Day starts at the same time for everyone. And that time is after everything that was created has been destroyed in this universe. The "gates" of Heaven and Hell don't open until Judgement Day is over.

Does it say in the Koran that the whole universe will be destroyed? What if he is in another star system? Or another galaxy?

Do you know what a universe is?

People dont die. You just move on to start a different life. Discuss.

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:People dont die. You just move on to start a different life. Discuss.

I'm pretty sure that people die, otherwise we've buried a lot of living people.

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:People dont die. You just move on to start a different life. Discuss.

Things die. End discussion.

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:People dont die. You just move on to start a different life. Discuss.

If by that you mean 'souls', welcome to Hinduism.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Does it say in the Koran that the whole universe will be destroyed? What if he is in another star system? Or another galaxy?

Do you know what a universe is?

Yes, I am asking if the Koran says that the whole universe will be destroyed. If it does not, could one escape judgement by going to Alpha Centauri or Andromeda?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Do you know what a universe is?

Yes, I am asking if the Koran says that the whole universe will be destroyed. If it does not, could one escape judgement by going to Alpha Centauri or Andromeda?

Yes it does. So it doesn't matter where you go inside the universe, you will be destroyed.