150 grand a week? Haha, I'd be happy with £20k

Trades work well in the NFL and other American sports because all teams are generally competitive. But it wouldn't work in soccer. There is a huge gap between the top teams and lower clubs. Say a great player is developed by a low ranked club. That player is going to be stuck at a low ranked club until he becomes a free agent. Why? Because if a big club comes knocking on the door, who would they give up for this talent? The club wants something equivalent in return and the big club want that player without giving up their good players. There is no draft system in soccer either. So a transfer fee is the best option. Player swaps in soccer would just cause clubs of similar levels to only deal among themselves.

Is that the same in NFL and Baseball aswell ?

ahlycotc wrote:Trades work well in the NFL and other American sports because all teams are generally competitive. But it wouldn't work in soccer. There is a huge gap between the top teams and lower clubs. Say a great player is developed by a low ranked club. That player is going to be stuck at a low ranked club until he becomes a free agent. Why? Because if a big club comes knocking on the door, who would they give up for this talent? The club wants something equivalent in return and the big club want that player without giving up their good players. There is no draft system in soccer either. So a transfer fee is the best option. Player swaps in soccer would just cause clubs of similar levels to only deal among themselves.

I disagree completely. Trades would work perfectly fine in soccer if they were handled like they are in MLB.

For example if a club like Accrington Stanley had some 16 year wunderkind, and a club like Manchester United wanted the player, they could trade (like in baseball) for him. Accrington could value the kid at £20M and say United balked at the fee. If they said we will offer you two or three of our younger players or non-starters in exchange for this wunderkind that would work out fine. However the only reason that trades wouldn't work all comes back to wages. Since a team like Accrington Stanley couldn't afford the wages of a player coming from a PL club that is why the trade wouldn't work, not because of quality of the players, etc.

grenade187 wrote:Is that the same in NFL and Baseball aswell ?

Is what the same?

The way players are sold etc in football is fine tbh. Fuck swapping players, we can do that anyway if we want.

AriseForLife wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Trades work well in the NFL and other American sports because all teams are generally competitive. But it wouldn't work in soccer. There is a huge gap between the top teams and lower clubs. Say a great player is developed by a low ranked club. That player is going to be stuck at a low ranked club until he becomes a free agent. Why? Because if a big club comes knocking on the door, who would they give up for this talent? The club wants something equivalent in return and the big club want that player without giving up their good players. There is no draft system in soccer either. So a transfer fee is the best option. Player swaps in soccer would just cause clubs of similar levels to only deal among themselves.

I disagree completely. Trades would work perfectly fine in soccer if they were handled like they are in MLB.

For example if a club like Accrington Stanley had some 16 year wunderkind, and a club like Manchester United wanted the player, they could trade (like in baseball) for him. Accrington could value the kid at £20M and say United balked at the fee. If they said we will offer you two or three of our younger players or non-starters in exchange for this wunderkind that would work out fine. However the only reason that trades wouldn't work all comes back to wages. Since a team like Accrington Stanley couldn't afford the wages of a player coming from a PL club that is why the trade wouldn't work, not because of quality of the players, etc.

Yeah and what kind of player who plays for Manchester United would want to move to Accrington Stanley? Not only can a team like Accrington not afford the players' wages, they can't attract players from top clubs.

ahlycotc wrote:

AriseForLife wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Trades work well in the NFL and other American sports because all teams are generally competitive. But it wouldn't work in soccer. There is a huge gap between the top teams and lower clubs. Say a great player is developed by a low ranked club. That player is going to be stuck at a low ranked club until he becomes a free agent. Why? Because if a big club comes knocking on the door, who would they give up for this talent? The club wants something equivalent in return and the big club want that player without giving up their good players. There is no draft system in soccer either. So a transfer fee is the best option. Player swaps in soccer would just cause clubs of similar levels to only deal among themselves.

I disagree completely. Trades would work perfectly fine in soccer if they were handled like they are in MLB.

For example if a club like Accrington Stanley had some 16 year wunderkind, and a club like Manchester United wanted the player, they could trade (like in baseball) for him. Accrington could value the kid at £20M and say United balked at the fee. If they said we will offer you two or three of our younger players or non-starters in exchange for this wunderkind that would work out fine. However the only reason that trades wouldn't work all comes back to wages. Since a team like Accrington Stanley couldn't afford the wages of a player coming from a PL club that is why the trade wouldn't work, not because of quality of the players, etc.

Yeah and what kind of player who plays for Manchester United would want to move to Accrington Stanley? Not only can a team like Accrington not afford the players' wages, they can't attract players from top clubs.

Anything is possible. No one would have ever thought that Tevez and Mascherano would have signed for West Ham, but it happened.

In my example Accrington Stanley wouldn't have to ask for top players from United. We can all assume (and probably be right) that the youth players for United are infinitely better than the youth players at Accrington Stanley so they could do a youth for youth swap or something to that effect. Same way that MLB teams trade farm team players for farm team players or farm team players for established MLB stars. It's all based on assumed potential.

AriseForLife wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

AriseForLife wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Trades work well in the NFL and other American sports because all teams are generally competitive. But it wouldn't work in soccer. There is a huge gap between the top teams and lower clubs. Say a great player is developed by a low ranked club. That player is going to be stuck at a low ranked club until he becomes a free agent. Why? Because if a big club comes knocking on the door, who would they give up for this talent? The club wants something equivalent in return and the big club want that player without giving up their good players. There is no draft system in soccer either. So a transfer fee is the best option. Player swaps in soccer would just cause clubs of similar levels to only deal among themselves.

I disagree completely. Trades would work perfectly fine in soccer if they were handled like they are in MLB.

For example if a club like Accrington Stanley had some 16 year wunderkind, and a club like Manchester United wanted the player, they could trade (like in baseball) for him. Accrington could value the kid at £20M and say United balked at the fee. If they said we will offer you two or three of our younger players or non-starters in exchange for this wunderkind that would work out fine. However the only reason that trades wouldn't work all comes back to wages. Since a team like Accrington Stanley couldn't afford the wages of a player coming from a PL club that is why the trade wouldn't work, not because of quality of the players, etc.

Yeah and what kind of player who plays for Manchester United would want to move to Accrington Stanley? Not only can a team like Accrington not afford the players' wages, they can't attract players from top clubs.

Anything is possible. No one would have ever thought that Tevez and Mascherano would have signed for West Ham, but it happened.

In my example Accrington Stanley wouldn't have to ask for top players from United. We can all assume (and probably be right) that the youth players for United are infinitely better than the youth players at Accrington Stanley so they could do a youth for youth swap or something to that effect. Same way that MLB teams trade farm team players for farm team players or farm team players for established MLB stars. It's all based on assumed potential.

I did, soon as i seen it on ssn.. like everyone else.

Any chance of a fiddle if you know what i mean arise...