Abortion: right or wrong?

Sean wrote:RR, if someone's just been raped they probably arent going to be able to think logically like that

Quite right, but neither is someone deciding to have sex always going to be able to think logically.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Unlike the rape victim, the person had a choice to have a child.

If you are talking in absolutes like that then so did the rape victim. Have you heard of morning after pills?

I don't oppose contraception, so fair enough. But what if the woman could not get a pill in time?

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

If you are talking in absolutes like that then so did the rape victim. Have you heard of morning after pills?

I don't oppose contraception, so fair enough. But what if the woman could not get a pill in time?

Alright, so abortion should only be allowed in situations where a woman has both been raped, and been completely unable to get a pill in time?

Honestly, I don't see why whether she had a choice or not should even come into it, it's either murder or it's not. If someone squats in your house and makes your life inconvenient, you can't go and kill them, even if you didn't have any choice in the matter.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

I don't oppose contraception, so fair enough. But what if the woman could not get a pill in time?

Alright, so abortion should only be allowed in situations where a woman has both been raped, and been completely unable to get a pill in time?

Honestly, I don't see why whether she had a choice or not should even come into it, it's either murder or it's not. If someone squats in your house and makes your life inconvenient, you can't go and kill them, even if you didn't have any choice in the matter.

Tell you what, forget everything I said. Let me summarize my opinions again...

Contraception is acceptable. Abortion is morally acceptable at any time before the stage when the fertilized ovum is implanted onto the lining of the uterus for ANY reason. It's acceptable after that stage if...

1) The pregnancy will threaten the woman's life.
2) It is found that the baby would live a life of severe pain/deformity due to a disorder.

'Yay or Nay?' would have sounded better.

I wouldn't call it fully 'acceptable' on a moral scale in all cases, for I would frown upon abortions due to irresponsibility or hastiness. However, there should be no legal restrictions to abortion in all cases.

ahlycotc wrote:I believe it should be allowed in certain circumstances (or at least morally acceptable in certain circumstances). These circumstances include...

Rape
Severe disorders
Threat to woman's life

Muslims also say that it's acceptable before four months of gestation. But I think there should be a good reason to do it within those 4 months.

It's much better to have the baby and give it up to adoption than kill it.

This pretty much.

Abortion should always always always be an option.

Jess wrote:Abortion should always always always be an option.

even late term ones?

Whatever the UK law for abortion allows, yes.

Also, it is not 'much easier' to deliver a child and then give it up for adoption.

Jess wrote:Whatever the UK law for abortion allows, yes.

24 weeks. Which isn't late term.

Jess wrote:Also, it is not 'much easier' to deliver a child and then give it up for adoption.

If aimed at ahly and me. He didn't say easier, just better (child lives).

It's not always 'better' though either, think of the emotional distress it can cause both child and parent/s. Just because it's a decision you've made, doesn't mean it's not going to be tough.

As for late term abortion I think I'd agree that it is wrong, unless like others have said, the potential child or mother's health was at risk.

Jess wrote:It's not always 'better' though either, think of the emotional distress it can cause both child and parent/s. Just because it's a decision you've made, doesn't mean it's not going to be tough.

As for late term abortion I think I'd agree that it is wrong, unless like others have said, the potential child or mother's health was at risk.

Unless you are a child in africa then i would say life is better than not existing.

How about a child who is physically/sexually/mentally abused?

Jess wrote:How about a child who is physically/sexually/mentally abused?

That doesn't really have to do with kids being born but you can get past those sorts of things. It has been done before and it will be done by many more people in the future.

Of course, I'm not saying adoption is a bad thing I'm just saying it's not an option for everyone.

It should always be allowed, we are too many already.

100% should be allowed. When you guys have (unprotected) sex you will understand

NZG wrote:

Jess wrote:It's not always 'better' though either, think of the emotional distress it can cause both child and parent/s. Just because it's a decision you've made, doesn't mean it's not going to be tough.

As for late term abortion I think I'd agree that it is wrong, unless like others have said, the potential child or mother's health was at risk.

Unless you are a child in africa then i would say life is better than not existing.

Alright, so an abortion is the equivalent of murdering the child...so why are you happy for this to be allowed in the case of rape and disabilities?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

NZG wrote:

Unless you are a child in africa then i would say life is better than not existing.

Alright, so an abortion is the equivalent of murdering the child...so why are you happy for this to be allowed in the case of rape and disabilities?

We are saying it's better to put the child up for adoption than abort it.

ahlycotc wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Alright, so an abortion is the equivalent of murdering the child...so why are you happy for this to be allowed in the case of rape and disabilities?

We are saying it's better to put the child up for adoption than abort it.

Perhaps you're saying that, you've changed your view now, but your friend agreed with this

it should be allowed in certain circumstances (or at least morally acceptable in certain circumstances). These circumstances include...

Rape
Severe disorders
Threat to woman's life

Even in my original statement, I said it's better to put it up for adoption than kill it.

Yes, it might be better, but New Zealand Gangster agreed that in the case of rape abortion should be legally allowed and is morally acceptable.

Interesting results.

Paulinho wrote:100% should be allowed. When you guys have (unprotected) sex you will understand

I don't think I'll ever be stupid enough to do that unless the plan was to have a child.

Abortion is not acceptable.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Yes, it might be better, but New Zealand Gangster agreed that in the case of rape abortion should be legally allowed and is morally acceptable.

do not call me New Zealand Gangster. That is a nickname and my username is now NZG. I will not respond to posts of yours that call me by a nickname.

NZG wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Yes, it might be better, but New Zealand Gangster agreed that in the case of rape abortion should be legally allowed and is morally acceptable.

do not call me New Zealand Gangster. That is a nickname and my username is now NZG. I will not respond to posts of yours that call me by a nickname.

Er...seriously? That's your nickname? It was a wild shot in the dark. Anyway you didn't respond to my first post you ignorant shit.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

NZG wrote:


do not call me New Zealand Gangster. That is a nickname and my username is now NZG. I will not respond to posts of yours that call me by a nickname.

Er...seriously? That's your nickname? It was a wild shot in the dark. Anyway you didn't respond to my first post you ignorant shit.

A terrible, unfunny nickname. Also refrain from insulting me as it makes your look like an idiot.