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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:07 am

    Scotland must get with the times









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    04 Jan 2012 | 00:00-Vitor Sobral
















    One of the great advantages of living in London is that you can watch football from Europe’s top leagues in primetime.









    With so much on offer, it’s difficult to keep up with everything.
    However, the winter break in Spain, Germany and Italy meant that I had
    the chance to watch the Edinburgh derby.

    Fantastic atmosphere assured, however there was one vital ingredient missing, a true spectacle on the pitch.
    Sure,
    there were some exciting moments when either side got the ball into the
    final third, but by and large the game was a battle where the ball was
    more akin to a hot potato.

    I realise that derbies like this are built on passion, but that doesn’t mean teams should forget about possession.

    I don’t think I saw one goal kick played short. In fact, both
    goalkeepers would take an eternity to place the ball in the perfect
    spot, just so they could hoof it as far as possible.

    The words of Football Federation technical director Han Berger were ringing in my ear: “This is not football.”

    One of those coaches happens to be Portuguese, but that doesn’t excuse
    what was on show and it’s time Scottish football realised that it’s
    lagging far behind the rest of Europe.

    There’s no point in hiding behind the 'English Premier League has more
    money' line, Scotland's Premier League is 18th in the UEFA coefficients,
    behind the leagues of Denmark, Switzerland, Austria and bafflingly,
    Cyprus and Israel.

    With no teams left in European competition, the SPL could fall as low as
    21st by season’s end, a situation that would mean only the champion
    will go through to the Champions League qualifying stages.

    I remember Celtic coach Neil Lennon saying that he thinks Scottish clubs
    are competing at about the right level in Europe. I'm sure Jock Stein
    and Alex Ferguson would beg to differ.

    Football has evolved since these two led Celtic and Aberdeen
    respectively to European titles, but that’s the point. Scottish football
    hasn’t evolved.

    I cringe when I’m listening to Five Live and the commentator says,
    “that’s good old fashioned British football” when a hopeful long ball is
    flicked on to nobody in particular.

    That’s because I don’t believe it is. Passing football wasn’t invented by some continental sipping coffee in Vienna. It was pioneered by amateur Glascow club Queen’s Park.

    It was the Barcelona of its day, as thrilling crowds with a type of football that changed the game forever.

    The term “good old fashioned” is a contradictiont because in football if
    it’s old fashioned, chances are it’s no longer going to work.

    That doesn’t mean Scotland shouldn’t adhere to the hard working, never-say-die mentality that exists in its football culture.

    Spain scoured the world for football knowledge and adapted that to its
    culture, so there’s no reason Scotland can’t do the same.
    A
    quick, precise passing-type of football with high, compact, pressing and
    high intensity would suit the Scottish game perfectly and would no
    doubt bring great results on the European stage.

    But if Scottish football doesn’t adapt, the future looks as bleak as Glasgow winter’s day.

    “that’s good old fashioned British football”

    amazing, im going to use that line from now on

    go fuck yourself in the ass britain and your kirk broadfoots and jaime carraghers and hoofball
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:18 am

    TLDR

    I got the impression from the title that it's just more SPL is shit noise, nothing we already know.
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    Post by Drake Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:22 am

    Mauro not worthy
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:32 am

    What is annoying about the SPL is it is such a 1 dimensional league with poor managers that anyone with half decent tactical knowledge would be able to take one of the worst sides to 3rd place comfortably and a team like Hibernian to win the league. Easy way to make a name for yourself, but I imagine it's not just the managers that are dumb, but also the people who run the clubs.
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    Post by Lux Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:39 am

    Passing = with the times.
    Kicking it far = aimless hoof that inevitably goes to the other team?

    A bit of a generalisation there....passing the ball out at goalkicks isn't the definition of football.

    Tbh when I was watching the City vs Liverpool game it was probably kicked out more often than passed...except maybe if an attack just broke down.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:47 am

    Of course passing the ball out from goal kicks is the idea. People seem to think that means passing to the centre back though which is annoying. I much prefer Reinas style where he passes it at longer distances. And of course kicking the ball towards a striker looking for a flick on is still passing, just a little more riskier passing and not very attractive to watch.

    I hate how Barcelona play, it's way too slow and they act like they are some sort of amazing team. It's boring, I much prefer the way Arsenal, Bielsa and Spurs play. Fast passing football but still trying to control possession to an extent.
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    Post by Lux Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:49 am

    Exactly...I would much rather have less possession and make a few more bad passes if it meant playing faster than Barcelona....

    The most boring team I saw last season was Swansea.....and they are copying Barcelona.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:51 am

    I don't mind watching Swansea but I reckon that's more to do with the fact it's not an easy way to play, especially with such a massive gap in quality and that they don't dominate games like Barcelona do.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:53 am

    Watch this, bearing in mind that we had no Jelavic, Lafferty, Whittaker, Wylde or Naismith. Some of our best players. We don't play hoofball.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16331208.stm

    Edit: Lafferty goes off injured after 8 mins.


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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:54 am

    Tbh, it's about as bad as the defensive football in Serie A.
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    Post by Lux Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:57 am

    James wrote:I don't mind watching Swansea but I reckon that's more to do with the fact it's not an easy way to play, especially with such a massive gap in quality and that they don't dominate games like Barcelona do.

    In the Premier League it's better because they're under more pressure. In some Championship games they were just passing around the defence all day Sleep
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:58 am

    Watching that video again, we actually play some quality football. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:01 am

    Jelavic9|RFC wrote:Watching that video again, we actually play some quality football. Laughing

    No, you don't. That game was the best football Rangers have played all season, by a mile.
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    Post by Demba Ba Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:01 am

    Really, there are two sides to this. A lot of the clubs do play awful football, and it's clear that the league systems aren't being run properly, but there is another side to it.

    Money. There is no money in the Scottish game. The top Scottish teams were able to compete in Europe's top competitions until the influx of money in the Premiership.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:03 am

    The Maestro wrote:
    Jelavic9|RFC wrote:Watching that video again, we actually play some quality football. Laughing

    No, you don't. That game was the best football Rangers have played all season, by a mile.

    Well if we didn't have biased refs not giving us goals that were clearly over the line, then it might be different. Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Lux Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:03 am

    This is some random Portuguese guy.

    Chelsea are doing pretty well under AVB's reign scotland pioneering rubbish football 3925848005
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:05 am

    i advise to watch barcelona play matches against the like of valencia or real mallorca. these team do not give the respect to barcelona like others do and leave many open spaces between the lines, is allow barcelona to exploit quick football that lux and james crave. barcelona x valencia was the best match of this seasoon teams do not minimize space even close to how they do against arsenal compared to barcelona. when you are falling asleep watching barcelona is not because of how they a being approaching the game, but how the opposite team is reacting to barcelona.

    they scared so much that they staying compact, play with 1 striker or none and leave always 10 men behind the ball and do not even try to achieve 50% press. is bgigest mark of respect any team can have when opposing team throw all former plans away into the bin and denegrate themselve to playing so defensively because they fear the rapage they will recive if they do not play this way

    bielsa coach teams are the same. but his philosophy is not same as barcelona. he is more similar jurgen klopp. swift repossession of the ball and quick transition from defence to attack(counteattack). they value possession only in attacking half and fear the 75% press from other teams. barcelona instead can still keep ball in own half even under 100% press from opposite team. bielsa and jurgen teams are counter aggressive and opportunistic coaching philosophies that they develop from similar examples of older teams like sacchi's milan team and ferguson latter 90's man u team

    i only seeing swansea play like once last seasn and it didnt look like barcelona to me, they just attacked the space all the time because the other team was shit. they were never under structural pressure from the other team in own half or had to break down compact defence infront of the box. and this season they just look shit anyway
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    Post by Demba Ba Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:05 am

    Jelavic9|RFC wrote:
    The Maestro wrote:

    No, you don't. That game was the best football Rangers have played all season, by a mile.

    Well if we didn't have biased refs not giving us goals that were clearly over the line, then it might be different. Rolling Eyes
    How long are we going to have to listen to this? You should blame FIFA for not implementing goaline technology. It was a hard, split moment decision, and if the referee isn't 100% sure that the ball hasn't gone over the line, then he cannot give it.

    Plus, you're forgetting some of the other things that Rangers got away with in the game. Remember what Healy did? That should have probably been a straight red, however he got off lightly with a yellow.
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    Post by Lux Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:19 am

    mauro=beast wrote:i advise to watch barcelona play matches against the like of valencia or real mallorca. these team do not give the respect to barcelona like others do and leave many open spaces between the lines, is allow barcelona to exploit quick football that lux and james crave. barcelona x valencia was the best match of this seasoon teams do not minimize space even close to how they do against arsenal compared to barcelona. when you are falling asleep watching barcelona is not because of how they a being approaching the game, but how the opposite team is reacting to barcelona.

    they scared so much that they staying compact, play with 1 striker or none and leave always 10 men behind the ball and do not even try to achieve 50% press. is bgigest mark of respect any team can have when opposing team throw all former plans away into the bin and denegrate themselve to playing so defensively because they fear the rapage they will recive if they do not play this way

    bielsa coach teams are the same. but his philosophy is not same as barcelona. he is more similar jurgen klopp. swift repossession of the ball and quick transition from defence to attack(counteattack). they value possession only in attacking half and fear the 75% press from other teams. barcelona instead can still keep ball in own half even under 100% press from opposite team. bielsa and jurgen teams are counter aggressive and opportunistic coaching philosophies that they develop from similar examples of older teams like sacchi's milan team and ferguson latter 90's man u team

    i only seeing swansea play like once last seasn and it didnt look like barcelona to me, they just attacked the space all the time because the other team was shit. they were never under structural pressure from the other team in own half or had to break down compact defence infront of the box. and this season they just look shit anyway

    I agree to an extent, if teams are good enough to take the game to Barcelona, put them under enough pressure to get the ball...and not get exhausted and leave too many defensive holes then it's going to be a great game.

    Problem is....many teams fail to do this, even teams like Real Madrid and Man Utd. Obviously I don't watch every game Barcelona play...but when I do I rarely see teams match Barcelona. Maybe Arsenal on occasion, and in the days when Barcelona had Ronaldinho teams were competitive against them.

    So you could blame it on other teams not being good enough..and I won't blame Barcelona for playing football that is the best for them and wins them everything...but that doesn't mean it's not boring....which is unfortunate.

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    But yeah...on this Scottish topic..I think this Portuguese guy is talking shit. Left behind because they don't play like Barcelona? Most teams don't, because they can't....and that includes big teams in the biggest leagues. It's also not the only way to play football, or the "proper" way. Scottish football isn't doing so well right now..and if they're not good enough to pass the ball around then they won't do it. I think it's safe to say that most teams who can pass the ball will do so.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:30 am

    cheesy wrote:Really, there are two sides to this. A lot of the clubs do play awful football, and it's clear that the league systems aren't being run properly, but there is another side to it.

    Money. There is no money in the Scottish game. The top Scottish teams were able to compete in Europe's top competitions until the influx of money in the Premiership.

    Take this into consideration

    Celtic and Rangers get £2M a year from Sky
    Manchester United get £60M a year from sky
    Team at the bottom of the Premier League gets £40M a year from sky
    Every match broadcasted gets participating English Premier League clubs £4M, twice what Celtic and Rangers get annually!!!

    So what do people expect from Hearts and Hibs?

    Now on one hand when Celtic, having spent just £3M on transfers, get put out of Europe by Sion, Scottish football is brought into disrepute.

    Then when Manchester United, having spent £50M on transfers, get put out of the Champions League by Sions Swiss counterparts Basel, it's a different story. Is English football brought into disrepute? No.

    Celtic went on to get some good results in Europe, against teams like Udinese, no Italian side had managed to take points off them at the Stadio Friuli. Celtic did. Manchester City having spent nearly £100M on transfers, didn't do as well against Napoli.

    Sky had their biggest audience of the season when millions tuned in to watch last weeks Old Firm derby. That just isn't reflected monetarily. In my opinion, the way forward is summer football. It's obvious in the media finance stakes we just can't compete with the big leagues and outwith Celtic Park and Ibrox the pitches are not conducive to playing passing football in winter conditions.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:33 am

    I thought Polska made this thread. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:34 am

    He can't really talk. Laughing

    The polish league lol
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    Post by Kuled Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:34 am

    Dan wrote:Tbh, it's about as bad as the defensive football in Serie A.
    Die.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:36 am

    Kuled wrote:
    Dan wrote:Tbh, it's about as bad as the defensive football in Serie A.
    Die.

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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:36 am

    The Maestro wrote:
    cheesy wrote:Really, there are two sides to this. A lot of the clubs do play awful football, and it's clear that the league systems aren't being run properly, but there is another side to it.

    Money. There is no money in the Scottish game. The top Scottish teams were able to compete in Europe's top competitions until the influx of money in the Premiership.

    Take this into consideration

    Celtic and Rangers get £2M a year from Sky
    Manchester United get £60M a year from sky
    Team at the bottom of the Premier League gets £40M a year from sky
    Every match broadcasted gets participating English Premier League clubs £4M, twice what Celtic and Rangers get annually!!!

    So what do people expect from Hearts and Hibs?

    Now on one hand when Celtic, having spent just £3M on transfers, get put out of Europe by Sion, Scottish football is brought into disrepute.

    Then when Manchester United, having spent £50M on transfers, get put out of the Champions League by Sions Swiss counterparts Basel, it's a different story. Is English football brought into disrepute? No.

    Celtic went on to get some good results in Europe, against teams like Udinese, no Italian side had managed to take points off them at the Stadio Friuli. Celtic did. Manchester City having spent nearly £100M on transfers, didn't do as well against Napoli.

    Sky had their biggest audience of the season when millions tuned in to watch last weeks Old Firm derby. That just isn't reflected monetarily. In my opinion, the way forward is summer football. It's obvious in the media finance stakes we just can't compete with the big leagues and outwith Celtic Park and Ibrox the pitches are not conducive to playing passing football in winter conditions.

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    a midfield that consisting of lee mcculloch and maurice edu

    if u gave these player a perfect pitched made from the finest grass for football from god himself

    they will still never be able to pass ball
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:37 am

    Jelavic9|RFC wrote:He can't really talk. Laughing

    The polish league lol

    probably true

    i want polska to enter this thread and hit us with some knowledge
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:37 am

    mauro=beast wrote:
    The Maestro wrote:

    Take this into consideration

    Celtic and Rangers get £2M a year from Sky
    Manchester United get £60M a year from sky
    Team at the bottom of the Premier League gets £40M a year from sky
    Every match broadcasted gets participating English Premier League clubs £4M, twice what Celtic and Rangers get annually!!!

    So what do people expect from Hearts and Hibs?

    Now on one hand when Celtic, having spent just £3M on transfers, get put out of Europe by Sion, Scottish football is brought into disrepute.

    Then when Manchester United, having spent £50M on transfers, get put out of the Champions League by Sions Swiss counterparts Basel, it's a different story. Is English football brought into disrepute? No.

    Celtic went on to get some good results in Europe, against teams like Udinese, no Italian side had managed to take points off them at the Stadio Friuli. Celtic did. Manchester City having spent nearly £100M on transfers, didn't do as well against Napoli.

    Sky had their biggest audience of the season when millions tuned in to watch last weeks Old Firm derby. That just isn't reflected monetarily. In my opinion, the way forward is summer football. It's obvious in the media finance stakes we just can't compete with the big leagues and outwith Celtic Park and Ibrox the pitches are not conducive to playing passing football in winter conditions.

    my friend

    a midfield that consisting of lee mcculloch and maurice edu

    if u gave these player a perfect pitched made from the finest grass for football from god himself

    they will still never be able to pass ball

    McCulloch only plays when we have injuries though, he's pish.

    Edu is quality at passing, just his balance that's the problem.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:39 am

    yes i saw him play many time in past

    his feet is like it was dunked in cement bath he is so slow and shit
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:39 am

    How can Scottish complain about money when they are behind Cyprus and Israel Laughing I highly doubt their leagues get much, nevermind the attendances Rangers and Celtic get.
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    Post by Guest Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:40 am

    Leaving thread anyway, Mauro would be a muh better poster if he didn't go with all of the immature shit.

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