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Am i the only one who thinks Phil Jones is slightly overrated atm?

if you dont watch man utd matches (full 90mins) then you have no say on the matter

no matter what anyone else thinks

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

To be fair, if he is going to bring in mediocrity he might as well just let Pogba and Morrison play for the first team. Both of them probably (Pogba definitely) has the potential to be a lot better than Barton. Seems pointless to get a player just because he's free. We don't need Barton, we need substantially better than Barton, free or not.

I agree with you that we need better, but if you can't get it, then you should get the best you can. I'd love to buy a Ferrari, but if someone's giving away a Fiat Punto for free I'll take that ahead of riding a pushbike that the wheels keep falling off. And Pogba and Morrison are nowhere near ready.

Barton is nowhere near good enough for Manchester United. He would have added nothing other than "an extra body" to the squad. He's not a leader, nor does he have any areas of expertise that we need. At best he would be backup to the backup, free or not Barton isn't anywhere near the sort of player we need/needed.

I agree that Pogba and Morrision aren't ready yet, but if the alternative is a 29 year old, who's agression gets the better of him and who's talent is far exceeded by our youngsters, then I'd rather have our talented youngsters on the pitch. At best he'd play 3 or 4 matches a season. We need substantially better, free or not Joey Barton is not good enough.

ViVaRooney wrote:i just read fletcher article, this was going on for awhile. no wonder his performances dropped

also jones has shown he is a capable CM. not against high quality sides but he can easily play there againt most pl clubs.

What, you didn't know he'd been suffering from a disease since March at the latest?

JMB_94 wrote:Am i the only one who thinks Phil Jones is slightly overrated atm?

Probably not, but I don't agree with you, that's very unfair - he's vastly overrated, apparently all you have to do in England is run around a lot and make a few strong tackles and people think you're world class. He's shown some good potential, but that's it.

Laurencio wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
I agree with you that we need better, but if you can't get it, then you should get the best you can. I'd love to buy a Ferrari, but if someone's giving away a Fiat Punto for free I'll take that ahead of riding a pushbike that the wheels keep falling off. And Pogba and Morrison are nowhere near ready.

Barton is nowhere near good enough for Manchester United. He would have added nothing other than "an extra body" to the squad. He's not a leader, nor does he have any areas of expertise that we need. At best he would be backup to the backup, free or not Barton isn't anywhere near the sort of player we need/needed.

I agree that Pogba and Morrision aren't ready yet, but if the alternative is a 29 year old, who's agression gets the better of him and who's talent is far exceeded by our youngsters, then I'd rather have our talented youngsters on the pitch. At best he'd play 3 or 4 matches a season. We need substantially better, free or not Joey Barton is not good enough.

What, you don't think he'd start for us at the moment? Yeah, he might be a backup, but when our first choice resembles a hospital waiting list, that guarantees you games. We've had Park, Rooney, Jones and Giggs playing there, I think Barton would get quite a lot of starts. I'd much rather have him in there than Pogba or Morrison that's for sure. No move for Parker was even more baffling.

Feel sorry for Fletcher.

RR why you talking as if we would bring barton (lmao) today?? in the summer i actually doubt barton would have wanted to come since he would have 4 players ahead of him

you may be able to tell the future but no one else can

Hopefully fletcher comes back full fit and help us in the title charge

kyro7 wrote:Feel sorry for Fletcher.

Me too, it's his own fault though.

ViVaRooney wrote:RR why you talking as if we would bring barton (lmao) today?? in the summer i actually doubt barton would have wanted to come since he would have 4 players ahead of him

you may be able to tell the future but no one else can

I could have told you that Fletcher has a long term illness in the summer. I could have told you that Anderson and Cleverley are injury prone. I could have told you that Scholes was retiring and we were letting go of Hargreaves. I could have told you Giggs would turn 38 during the season. I couldn't have told you that Ferguson would refuse to pick Carrick for Premier League games, but Ferguson could. Given all those factors, do you really think Barton would have turned down the chance to play for Manchester United?

kyro7 wrote:Feel sorry for Fletcher.

Me too, but this means that he won't be picked.

Kuled wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Feel sorry for Fletcher.

Me too, but this means that he won't be picked.

Really? Thanks for pointing that out.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Feel sorry for Fletcher.

Me too, it's his own fault though.

ViVaRooney wrote:RR why you talking as if we would bring barton (lmao) today?? in the summer i actually doubt barton would have wanted to come since he would have 4 players ahead of him

you may be able to tell the future but no one else can

I could have told you that Fletcher has a long term illness in the summer. I could have told you that Anderson and Cleverley are injury prone. I could have told you that Scholes was retiring and we were letting go of Hargreaves. I could have told you Giggs would turn 38 during the season. I couldn't have told you that Ferguson would refuse to pick Carrick for Premier League games, but Ferguson could. Given all those factors, do you really think Barton would have turned down the chance to play for Manchester United?

yes you could have "told us" about that stuff but doesnt mean it would have come true no one joins a club thinking "oh great i will certainly play cause all these players are injury prone and will be injured at the same time" nor do managers sign depending on future possibilities of injury

also why do you keep mentioning hargreaves?? he wasnt even a loss, they guy was available for 15mins whole season..

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Barton is nowhere near good enough for Manchester United. He would have added nothing other than "an extra body" to the squad. He's not a leader, nor does he have any areas of expertise that we need. At best he would be backup to the backup, free or not Barton isn't anywhere near the sort of player we need/needed.

I agree that Pogba and Morrision aren't ready yet, but if the alternative is a 29 year old, who's agression gets the better of him and who's talent is far exceeded by our youngsters, then I'd rather have our talented youngsters on the pitch. At best he'd play 3 or 4 matches a season. We need substantially better, free or not Joey Barton is not good enough.

What, you don't think he'd start for us at the moment? Yeah, he might be a backup, but when our first choice resembles a hospital waiting list, that guarantees you games. We've had Park, Rooney, Jones and Giggs playing there, I think Barton would get quite a lot of starts. I'd much rather have him in there than Pogba or Morrison that's for sure. No move for Parker was even more baffling.

A bit of a stretch to believe we'd end up with all of our midfielders injured at the same time in the summer though. Hasn't really happened before. I agree we needed to bring in a midfielder, probably two. Cause as I see it we still need a destructor and a creator, but yeah...

I don't believe for a second that Joey Barton would be any better than sticking Wayne Rooney in midfield. In fact Rooney is a better passer, a better tackler, heck he's just a better player. Never seen anything from him to remotely suggest (well maybe two of his Newcastle games) that he'd be able to play in a Manchester United midfield. We do need a strong midfield, but Barton is sure as hell not the way to go. Not very good, not very talented, closing in on 30, and is rumoured to cause plenty of problems in the dressing room. No thanks, not even if we were paid 4m to have him

kyro7 wrote:

Kuled wrote:
Me too, but this means that he won't be picked.

Really? Thanks for pointing that out.

I hate when you say things like that

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Me too, it's his own fault though.


I could have told you that Fletcher has a long term illness in the summer. I could have told you that Anderson and Cleverley are injury prone. I could have told you that Scholes was retiring and we were letting go of Hargreaves. I could have told you Giggs would turn 38 during the season. I couldn't have told you that Ferguson would refuse to pick Carrick for Premier League games, but Ferguson could. Given all those factors, do you really think Barton would have turned down the chance to play for Manchester United?

yes you could have "told us" about that stuff but doesnt mean it would have come true

What the fuck are you talking about? Those were all just as true in summer as they are now. Why do you think Fletcher spent most of March, April and May out of the team and lost about a stone?

Laurencio wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

What, you don't think he'd start for us at the moment? Yeah, he might be a backup, but when our first choice resembles a hospital waiting list, that guarantees you games. We've had Park, Rooney, Jones and Giggs playing there, I think Barton would get quite a lot of starts. I'd much rather have him in there than Pogba or Morrison that's for sure. No move for Parker was even more baffling.

A bit of a stretch to believe we'd end up with all of our midfielders injured at the same time in the summer though. Hasn't really happened before. I agree we needed to bring in a midfielder, probably two. Cause as I see it we still need a destructor and a creator, but yeah...

I don't believe for a second that Joey Barton would be any better than sticking Wayne Rooney in midfield. In fact Rooney is a better passer, a better tackler, heck he's just a better player. Never seen anything from him to remotely suggest (well maybe two of his Newcastle games) that he'd be able to play in a Manchester United midfield. We do need a strong midfield, but Barton is sure as hell not the way to go. Not very good, not very talented, closing in on 30, and is rumoured to cause plenty of problems in the dressing room. No thanks, not even if we were paid 4m to have him

Of course Rooney's a better player than Barton, but the fact that he has to drop back into midfield means he can't play upfront, and he's not that good in CM anyway. I think you're doing his ability a serious disservice to be honest, he's a good player, better than Fletcher and Anderson.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:

yes you could have "told us" about that stuff but doesnt mean it would have come true

What the fuck are you talking about? Those were all just as true in summer as they are now. Why do you think Fletcher spent most of March, April and May out of the team and lost about a stone?

Laurencio wrote:

A bit of a stretch to believe we'd end up with all of our midfielders injured at the same time in the summer though. Hasn't really happened before. I agree we needed to bring in a midfielder, probably two. Cause as I see it we still need a destructor and a creator, but yeah...

I don't believe for a second that Joey Barton would be any better than sticking Wayne Rooney in midfield. In fact Rooney is a better passer, a better tackler, heck he's just a better player. Never seen anything from him to remotely suggest (well maybe two of his Newcastle games) that he'd be able to play in a Manchester United midfield. We do need a strong midfield, but Barton is sure as hell not the way to go. Not very good, not very talented, closing in on 30, and is rumoured to cause plenty of problems in the dressing room. No thanks, not even if we were paid 4m to have him

Of course Rooney's a better player than Barton, but the fact that he has to drop back into midfield means he can't play upfront, and he's not that good in CM anyway. I think you're doing his ability a serious disservice to be honest, he's a good player, better than Fletcher and Anderson.

Joey Barton? Hell no

ViVaRooney wrote:also why do you keep mentioning hargreaves?? he wasnt even a loss, they guy was available for 15mins whole season..

Because he's been available a lot more this season.

Laurencio wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
What the fuck are you talking about? Those were all just as true in summer as they are now. Why do you think Fletcher spent most of March, April and May out of the team and lost about a stone?

Of course Rooney's a better player than Barton, but the fact that he has to drop back into midfield means he can't play upfront, and he's not that good in CM anyway. I think you're doing his ability a serious disservice to be honest, he's a good player, better than Fletcher and Anderson.

Joey Barton? Hell no

I'd say so, Joseph Barton was the reason Andrew Carroll looked like a good player for the first half of last season.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Joey Barton? Hell no

I'd say so, Joseph Barton was the reason Andrew Carroll looked like a good player for the first half of last season.

Disagree with that. Barton's corners were certainly helpful, but all in all it was Newcastle's crossing from the wings that made Carroll score like crazy.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:also why do you keep mentioning hargreaves?? he wasnt even a loss, they guy was available for 15mins whole season..

Because he's been available a lot more this season.

because he barely plays

again you talk so much in hindsight. so you are not ok with players like anderson and cleverley cause they get injured often but you are ok with a player that played 1 game in 2 years you are too funny

Joey Barton is a great player. Much better than all of the United's centre-midfielders.

Sad to hear about Fletcher. chronic inflammitory bowel problem.

Hope he gets better, and makes a full recovery.

Liverpool wrote:Joey Barton is a great player. Much better than all of the United's centre-midfielders.

Carrick > Barton

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Because he's been available a lot more this season.

because he barely plays

again you talk so much in hindsight. so you are not ok with players like anderson and cleverley cause they get injured often but you are ok with a player that played 1 game in 2 years you are too funny

I don't advocate getting rid of Cleverley or Anderson because they're injury prone, it is good to have them in the squad because when fit they can be valuable. I don't understand why you wank over them but continue to support the decision to let Hargy go.

So.. what are the chances of Fergie buying two new midfielders in january?

Laurencio wrote:So.. what are the chances of Fergie buying two new midfielders in january?

"It is very difficult to buy players in January," said Ferguson.

January is going to be tough.

I can see yous signing Rodwell and that'll be it for January

Sad news about Fletcher. It's a CM option we needed when others are injured/out form. Also, he hasn't been "that shit" this season either.

Rodwell? nah, he is another youth with potential. if we sign any midfielder it will be someone that will add extra to the team right away