Portsmouth to be closed down

Where in London is Wimbledon based in anyway?

(polskaGOLA) wrote:yah but it would take around 8 years with instant promotion to get back to the BSPL. That's what it took for Wimbledon.

Portsmouth Fans aren't going to want that. Best case scenario they buy a license of a team in the BSPL and skip all that promotion. (Or does it not work that way in England?)

Not sure. If it did happen they would be hated just as much as MK Dons are in this country.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:Where in London is Wimbledon based in anyway?

South west.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:Where in London is Wimbledon based in anyway?

South West, I get dragged to games during nearly every international break.

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:yah but it would take around 8 years with instant promotion to get back to the BSPL. That's what it took for Wimbledon.

Portsmouth Fans aren't going to want that. Best case scenario they buy a license of a team in the BSPL and skip all that promotion. (Or does it not work that way in England?)

Not sure. If it did happen they would be hated just as much as MK Dons are in this country.

It wouldn't be like MK Dons, mainly because the team they would be replacing would not be professional but rather amateur.

And they aren't moving like a franchise (MK Dons) they are just buying the license to be allowed to play in the BPSL that season. The club would still be in Portsmouth and everything.

This happens alot in many countries, especially Italy where every season the Serie C1, C2, D, Eccelenza and Promozione basically get shuffled due to clubs buying licenses and etc. (and I mean alot of movement, there are like over a couple thousand clubs in those 5 leagues)

I don't think it would be a major issue, plus people in England shouldn't really mind since it's a major club like Portsmouth.

It would be great if footballers like Rooney can donate money to Portsmouth to keep them afloat. But it's ridiculous to criticize them for earning millions a year and not do anything to help Portsmouth. They have no affiliation to Portsmouth and it's not their fault that Portsmouth can't run like a proper club. You don't see me criticizing Bill Gates for not donating his money to help me pay for my college. Can he live without $10,000? I'm sure he can, but why should he give it to me?

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:yah but it would take around 8 years with instant promotion to get back to the BSPL. That's what it took for Wimbledon.

Portsmouth Fans aren't going to want that. Best case scenario they buy a license of a team in the BSPL and skip all that promotion. (Or does it not work that way in England?)

Not sure. If it did happen they would be hated just as much as MK Dons are in this country.

It wouldn't be like MK Dons, mainly because the team they would be replacing would not be professional but rather amateur.

And they aren't moving like a franchise (MK Dons) they are just buying the license to be allowed to play in the BPSL that season. The club would still be in Portsmouth and everything.

This happens alot in many countries, especially Italy where every season the Serie C1, C2, D, Eccelenza and Promozione basically get shuffled due to clubs buying licenses and etc. (and I mean alot of movement, there are like over a couple thousand clubs in those 5 leagues)

I don't think it would be a major issue, plus people in England shouldn't really mind since it's a major club like Portsmouth.

Doesn't matter, they would be cheating by skipping leagues, not fair on other teams. And teams in BSQPL aren't amateur. They are semi pro, i'm pretty sure Grimsby might even be a pro.

ahlycotc wrote:It would be great if footballers like Rooney can donate money to Portsmouth to keep them afloat. But it's ridiculous to criticize them for earning millions a year and not do anything to help Portsmouth. They have no affiliation to Portsmouth and it's not their fault that Portsmouth can't run like a proper club. You don't see me criticizing Bill Gates for not donating his money to help me pay for my college. Can he live without $10,000? I'm sure he can, but why should he give it to me?

Does Bill Gates care about college? Probably not.

Do footballers care about football in general? Probably not, but they should.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:yah but it would take around 8 years with instant promotion to get back to the BSPL. That's what it took for Wimbledon.

Portsmouth Fans aren't going to want that. Best case scenario they buy a license of a team in the BSPL and skip all that promotion. (Or does it not work that way in England?)

Not sure. If it did happen they would be hated just as much as MK Dons are in this country.

It wouldn't be like MK Dons, mainly because the team they would be replacing would not be professional but rather amateur.

And they aren't moving like a franchise (MK Dons) they are just buying the license to be allowed to play in the BPSL that season. The club would still be in Portsmouth and everything.

This happens alot in many countries, especially Italy where every season the Serie C1, C2, D, Eccelenza and Promozione basically get shuffled due to clubs buying licenses and etc. (and I mean alot of movement, there are like over a couple thousand clubs in those 5 leagues)

I don't think it would be a major issue, plus people in England shouldn't really mind since it's a major club like Portsmouth.

You under-estimate the size of the BSP. And every club there is at least semi-pro. Amateur level is about two levels further down. And even then, they'd be outcry over it. Hopefully, that will never, ever happen over here.

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:yah but it would take around 8 years with instant promotion to get back to the BSPL. That's what it took for Wimbledon.

Portsmouth Fans aren't going to want that. Best case scenario they buy a license of a team in the BSPL and skip all that promotion. (Or does it not work that way in England?)

Not sure. If it did happen they would be hated just as much as MK Dons are in this country.

It wouldn't be like MK Dons, mainly because the team they would be replacing would not be professional but rather amateur.

And they aren't moving like a franchise (MK Dons) they are just buying the license to be allowed to play in the BPSL that season. The club would still be in Portsmouth and everything.

This happens alot in many countries, especially Italy where every season the Serie C1, C2, D, Eccelenza and Promozione basically get shuffled due to clubs buying licenses and etc. (and I mean alot of movement, there are like over a couple thousand clubs in those 5 leagues)

I don't think it would be a major issue, plus people in England shouldn't really mind since it's a major club like Portsmouth.

Doesn't matter, they would be cheating by skipping leagues, not fair on other teams. And teams in BSQPL aren't amateur. They are semi pro, i'm pretty sure Grimsby might even be a pro.

It's not cheating if it's legal.

It's fair if the other club accepts the offer. (that club could then reform without problems at the English League bottom)

I don't think BSPL are amateur either, but it doesn't have to be BSPL, it could be a tier or two lower.

You under-estimate the size of the BSP. And every club there is at least semi-pro. Amateur level is about two levels further down. And even then, they'd be outcry over it. Hopefully, that will never, ever happen over here.

I don't see the major issue. Especially if the club is amateur.

Must be a difference in football culture. It's acceptable (or rather, much much more acceptable than what the MK Dons did) for us continental Europeans.

At least 4 of them are Professional

York
Grimsby
Luton
Cambridge United

James wrote:At least 4 of them are Professional

York
Grimsby
Luton
Cambridge United

And Wimbledon probably will be at the end of this season.

James wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:It would be great if footballers like Rooney can donate money to Portsmouth to keep them afloat. But it's ridiculous to criticize them for earning millions a year and not do anything to help Portsmouth. They have no affiliation to Portsmouth and it's not their fault that Portsmouth can't run like a proper club. You don't see me criticizing Bill Gates for not donating his money to help me pay for my college. Can he live without $10,000? I'm sure he can, but why should he give it to me?

Does Bill Gates care about college? Probably not.

Do footballers care about football in general? Probably not, but they should.

If footballers care about football, they would invest their earnings by setting up youth camps around the world or something similar. Donating millions to greedy bastards who are responsible for their club's fall isn't helping football. The person responsible for Portsmouth's fall deserves everything he is getting. It's a shame the fans have to suffer along, but it's the fact of life.

James wrote:At least 4 of them are Professional

York
Grimsby
Luton
Cambridge United

Pretty sure Southport still are.

Danny B wrote:

James wrote:At least 4 of them are Professional

York
Grimsby
Luton
Cambridge United

Pretty sure Southport still are.

EDIT: They did go back to full time but in 2008 they went back to part-time.

Damn, a few years back they drew 2-2 with AC Milan...

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:yah but it would take around 8 years with instant promotion to get back to the BSPL. That's what it took for Wimbledon.

Portsmouth Fans aren't going to want that. Best case scenario they buy a license of a team in the BSPL and skip all that promotion. (Or does it not work that way in England?)

Not sure. If it did happen they would be hated just as much as MK Dons are in this country.

It wouldn't be like MK Dons, mainly because the team they would be replacing would not be professional but rather amateur.

And they aren't moving like a franchise (MK Dons) they are just buying the license to be allowed to play in the BPSL that season. The club would still be in Portsmouth and everything.

This happens alot in many countries, especially Italy where every season the Serie C1, C2, D, Eccelenza and Promozione basically get shuffled due to clubs buying licenses and etc. (and I mean alot of movement, there are like over a couple thousand clubs in those 5 leagues)

I don't think it would be a major issue, plus people in England shouldn't really mind since it's a major club like Portsmouth.

Doesn't matter, they would be cheating by skipping leagues, not fair on other teams. And teams in BSQPL aren't amateur. They are semi pro, i'm pretty sure Grimsby might even be a pro.

It's not cheating if it's legal.

It's fair if the other club accepts the offer. (that club could then reform without problems at the English League bottom)

I don't think BSPL are amateur either, but it doesn't have to be BSPL, it could be a tier or two lower.

You under-estimate the size of the BSP. And every club there is at least semi-pro. Amateur level is about two levels further down. And even then, they'd be outcry over it. Hopefully, that will never, ever happen over here.

I don't see the major issue. Especially if the club is amateur.

Must be a difference in football culture. It's acceptable (or rather, much much more acceptable than what the MK Dons did) for us continental Europeans.

They've still got fans, a club, a culture, a history. It wouldn't be acceptable over here, at all. There were massive protests over the Wimbledon situation, not just from the Dons fans either.

Bergkamp wrote:

Danny B wrote:

James wrote:At least 4 of them are Professional

York
Grimsby
Luton
Cambridge United

Pretty sure Southport still are.

EDIT: They did go back to full time but in 2008 they went back to part-time.

Too right, fucking scum

Wow a couple years ago...

Hull City was playing in League 2
Grimsby was playing in League 1
Luton was playing in League 1
Stoke City was playing in League 1
Wigan Athletics was playing in League 1
Southampton and Portsmouth placed 11th and 12th respectively in Premiership
Manchester City was in the Championship
Newcastle was playing Champions League Football
Leeds was playing Champions League Football
Wimbledon FC was playing in the Championship
Chelsea did not have 98% of their current fanbase
Arsenal was winning trophies

What else did I miss?

Dan wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:yah but it would take around 8 years with instant promotion to get back to the BSPL. That's what it took for Wimbledon.

Portsmouth Fans aren't going to want that. Best case scenario they buy a license of a team in the BSPL and skip all that promotion. (Or does it not work that way in England?)

Not sure. If it did happen they would be hated just as much as MK Dons are in this country.

It wouldn't be like MK Dons, mainly because the team they would be replacing would not be professional but rather amateur.

And they aren't moving like a franchise (MK Dons) they are just buying the license to be allowed to play in the BPSL that season. The club would still be in Portsmouth and everything.

This happens alot in many countries, especially Italy where every season the Serie C1, C2, D, Eccelenza and Promozione basically get shuffled due to clubs buying licenses and etc. (and I mean alot of movement, there are like over a couple thousand clubs in those 5 leagues)

I don't think it would be a major issue, plus people in England shouldn't really mind since it's a major club like Portsmouth.

Doesn't matter, they would be cheating by skipping leagues, not fair on other teams. And teams in BSQPL aren't amateur. They are semi pro, i'm pretty sure Grimsby might even be a pro.

It's not cheating if it's legal.

It's fair if the other club accepts the offer. (that club could then reform without problems at the English League bottom)

I don't think BSPL are amateur either, but it doesn't have to be BSPL, it could be a tier or two lower.

You under-estimate the size of the BSP. And every club there is at least semi-pro. Amateur level is about two levels further down. And even then, they'd be outcry over it. Hopefully, that will never, ever happen over here.

I don't see the major issue. Especially if the club is amateur.

Must be a difference in football culture. It's acceptable (or rather, much much more acceptable than what the MK Dons did) for us continental Europeans.

They've still got fans, a club, a culture, a history. It wouldn't be acceptable over here, at all. There were massive protests over the Wimbledon situation, not just from the Dons fans either.

The club they would be buying the license from wouldn't be gone, they'd just be placed in another division.

Wimbledon situation was a franchise move, Portsmouth buying a license would be just that, buying a license.

Are there any other local Portsmouth sides playing in non-league? A local amateur side should love the idea of giving up their license to the club they probably support(ed).

Charlton were in the Premier League, now in League 1.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

Dan wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

James wrote:

(polskaGOLA) wrote:yah but it would take around 8 years with instant promotion to get back to the BSPL. That's what it took for Wimbledon.

Portsmouth Fans aren't going to want that. Best case scenario they buy a license of a team in the BSPL and skip all that promotion. (Or does it not work that way in England?)

Not sure. If it did happen they would be hated just as much as MK Dons are in this country.

It wouldn't be like MK Dons, mainly because the team they would be replacing would not be professional but rather amateur.

And they aren't moving like a franchise (MK Dons) they are just buying the license to be allowed to play in the BPSL that season. The club would still be in Portsmouth and everything.

This happens alot in many countries, especially Italy where every season the Serie C1, C2, D, Eccelenza and Promozione basically get shuffled due to clubs buying licenses and etc. (and I mean alot of movement, there are like over a couple thousand clubs in those 5 leagues)

I don't think it would be a major issue, plus people in England shouldn't really mind since it's a major club like Portsmouth.

Doesn't matter, they would be cheating by skipping leagues, not fair on other teams. And teams in BSQPL aren't amateur. They are semi pro, i'm pretty sure Grimsby might even be a pro.

It's not cheating if it's legal.

It's fair if the other club accepts the offer. (that club could then reform without problems at the English League bottom)

I don't think BSPL are amateur either, but it doesn't have to be BSPL, it could be a tier or two lower.

You under-estimate the size of the BSP. And every club there is at least semi-pro. Amateur level is about two levels further down. And even then, they'd be outcry over it. Hopefully, that will never, ever happen over here.

I don't see the major issue. Especially if the club is amateur.

Must be a difference in football culture. It's acceptable (or rather, much much more acceptable than what the MK Dons did) for us continental Europeans.

They've still got fans, a club, a culture, a history. It wouldn't be acceptable over here, at all. There were massive protests over the Wimbledon situation, not just from the Dons fans either.

The club they would be buying the license from wouldn't be gone, they'd just be placed in another division.

Wimbledon situation was a franchise move, Portsmouth buying a license would be just that, buying a license.

Are there any other local Portsmouth sides playing in non-league? A local amateur side should love the idea of giving up their license to the club they probably support(ed).

Would hate to see that as well. The club has worked hard to get there. No club has a right to be anywhere, they have to earn it. Shocking that happens elsewhere though. The 'local amateur side' would have a fanbase of their own. I doubt they'd be too happy seeing Portsmouth take their place.

And where would they go once Portsmouth replaces them?

Would hate to see that as well. The club has worked hard to get there. No club has a right to be anywhere, they have to earn it. Shocking that happens elsewhere though. The 'local amateur side' would have a fanbase of their own. I doubt they'd be too happy seeing Portsmouth take their place.

And where would they go once Portsmouth replaces them?

The local amateur side shouldn't mind at all Portsmouth replacing them, seeing as the local amateur side are just a bunch of people from Portsmouth that play for fun, and probably support their own team, most likely Portsmouth.

The local side would go down to where Portsmouth should have gone. (bottom of the England's league tiers)

(polskaGOLA) wrote:Wow a couple years ago...

Hull City was playing in League 2
Grimsby was playing in League 1
Luton was playing in League 1
Stoke City was playing in League 1
Wigan Athletics was playing in League 1
Southampton and Portsmouth placed 11th and 12th respectively in Premiership
Manchester City was in the Championship
Newcastle was playing Champions League Football
Leeds was playing Champions League Football
Wimbledon FC was playing in the Championship
Chelsea did not have 98% of their current fanbase
Arsenal was winning trophies

What else did I miss?

Couple of years ago? Hull was in league 2 8 seasons ago now.
If you are going that far back you could maybe go with Ipswich finishing 5th I think it was. And that George kid scoring in Europe for them... forgot his full name now. Began with F I believe.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

Would hate to see that as well. The club has worked hard to get there. No club has a right to be anywhere, they have to earn it. Shocking that happens elsewhere though. The 'local amateur side' would have a fanbase of their own. I doubt they'd be too happy seeing Portsmouth take their place.

And where would they go once Portsmouth replaces them?

The local amateur side shouldn't mind at all Portsmouth replacing them, seeing as the local amateur side are just a bunch of people from Portsmouth that play for fun, and probably support their own team, most likely Portsmouth.

The local side would go down to where Portsmouth should have gone. (bottom of the England's league tiers)

You're thinking of 'sunday league' stuff. These teams are mostly semi-pro. It's competitive. There's no way they'd give up their place, they're proper football clubs.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

Would hate to see that as well. The club has worked hard to get there. No club has a right to be anywhere, they have to earn it. Shocking that happens elsewhere though. The 'local amateur side' would have a fanbase of their own. I doubt they'd be too happy seeing Portsmouth take their place.

And where would they go once Portsmouth replaces them?

The local amateur side shouldn't mind at all Portsmouth replacing them, seeing as the local amateur side are just a bunch of people from Portsmouth that play for fun, and probably support their own team, most likely Portsmouth.

The local side would go down to where Portsmouth should have gone. (bottom of the England's league tiers)

Well North Ferriby are in the 8th tier of football (2 leagues below BSQPL) and they have their own stadium with a capacity of 2700. They usually get around 200 fans in though unless they are playing Hull City. These aren't some tacky clubs that no one supports. They actually have fans.

Is Polska seriously suggesting that a team around the level of Burscough (8th tier of English football, like Ferriby) in the area of Portsmouth should give up their place in the league for a new Portsmouth club?

Looks like the shit is finally hitting the fan for over-spending clubs. I wouldn't be suprised to see a few more cases like this in the next few years.

I'm not familiar with England lower league as you guys are, but it happens many times every season throughout Europe.

For example, Siracusa CF closed to financial problems in the mid 90's, the supporters bought the license of a smaller Promozione club in Siracusa that in their season got promoted to Eccelenza. The got up to Serie C2 for a few years before dropping back to Eccelenza in early 2000's, than they had financial problems and got relegated to Promozione, then in the summer they bought the license of a club in the Serie D, and played there that season. They got promoted twice, and are now in the Serie C1, one promotion to Serie B.

It happens all the time, and nobody complains nor finds it as an issue. Then again I can imagine English lower league is much more important than in Italy, seeing as England has such a low number of lower league teams compared to Poland, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Russia etc. and just buying a license is much more of a big deal.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:I'm not familiar with England lower league as you guys are, but it happens many times every season throughout Europe.

For example, Siracusa CF closed to financial problems in the mid 90's, the supporters bought the license of a smaller Promozione club in Siracusa that in their season got promoted to Eccelenza. The got up to Serie C2 for a few years before dropping back to Eccelenza in early 2000's, than they had financial problems and got relegated to Promozione, then in the summer they bought the license of a club in the Serie D, and played there that season. They got promoted twice, and are now in the Serie C1, one promotion to Serie B.

It happens all the time, and nobody complains nor finds it as an issue. Then again I can imagine English lower league is much more important than in Italy, seeing as England has such a low number of lower league teams compared to Poland, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Russia etc. and just buying a license is much more of a big deal.

Eh?