Torres: "fans dont know the full story"

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

What like you's lot did with Ronaldo and Rooney.

Torres was contracted to us, if anything wasn't fair then it's the fact that Torres didn't keep to that commitment.

We never kept Rooney against his will. Ronaldo we did, and that was wrong.

Liverpool were also in contract to Torres. They chose to break that commitment because they wanted £50m.

luke. wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

There's nothing to prove either way to be honest. It would be strange if Atletico left it weeks before making a statement though. Also why would Atletico lie about Chelsea making a bid? I doubt very much that they wanted to loose their best player in January.

Why would a club lie about rejecting a bid worth £39 million? Well, it alerts other clubs, and they'll bid higher, Atletico knew they were going to lose Aguero, so why not squeeze out as much money as they could? Even if they made the announcement they rejected the bid just after they had rejected it, it doesn't mean the bid was placed on the same day either. They may not have wanted to lose him, but if someone coughed up the money they were looking for, he would have left in January for a higher price then he left for in the summer.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

luke. wrote:Just because they confirmed they received a bid on that date, doesn't mean that's when the bid happened.

There are several reasons why they'd be looking into Torres and Aguero, Plan A, and Plan B, or they were both part of the same plan. If we wanted Aguero that badly, we'd have got him, we could have had him a couple of years ago, but for his wage demands. You won't buy Torres story, but you're happy enough to buy Liverpool's? Believe what you want, but you're just proving Torres point.

There's nothing to prove either way to be honest. It would be strange if Atletico left it weeks before making a statement though. Also why would Atletico lie about Chelsea making a bid? I doubt very much that they wanted to lose their best player in January.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

We never kept Rooney against his will. Ronaldo we did, and that was wrong.

Liverpool were also in contract to Torres. They chose to break that commitment because they wanted £50m.

We wanted to resolve a problem that Torres created. If we had of kept him beyond January then Chelsea would have realised that he was worth nothing close to £50M.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

There's nothing to prove either way to be honest. It would be strange if Atletico left it weeks before making a statement though. Also why would Atletico lie about Chelsea making a bid? I doubt very much that they wanted to lose their best player in January.

It was for PR purposes, for the President to say 'We stand up to big clubs'.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

We wanted to resolve a problem that Torres created. If we had of kept him beyond January then Chelsea would have realised that he was worth nothing close to £50M.

Sounds like he earned you a shitload of money by going when he did then. 'Thank you Mr. Torres' is what you should be saying.

Mr Leiva wrote:Why doesn't come out, and say the 'full' story. Instead of saying fans don't know the full story.

luke. wrote:I'm sure it'll come out in time.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Laurencio wrote:I don't think it's any secret that Torres left a sinking ship, and that the money being offered were too much to be scoffed at.

Sinking ship...hardly.

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Luke, you don't need to go about with your passionate defence every time Torres gets a mention.



That we apparently don't know the full story is a nice but stupid way to side-step what we do know. I still think he's a bitch, but normally I can't care less.

Yes, it does help that as of now, Suarez is better than him. Why try to be sarcastic about the truth? If a big player leaves course a better player filling his boots will soften the blow.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

It was for PR purposes, for the President to say 'We stand up to big clubs'.



Sounds like he earned you a shitload of money by going when he did then. 'Thank you Mr. Torres' is what you should be saying.

Torres was more important to the team than the £50M at the time. With the form he was building under Kenny and the impact Suarez made, we might have had an even stronger finish to the season.

Mustangt125 wrote:I don't know why it's so hard for you guys to understand.

If RVP put in a transfer request to United, Chelsea, or City on the last day of the summer window after Arsenal's shitty start, then you guys would react just the same as Liverpool fans have.

On the LFC side of it, after everything that he had said, written, and done, it would have lessened the blow of him going to Chelsea hugely if he had stuck out the rest of the season. Not to mention, him and Suarez together could have been magnificent.

Mustangt125 wrote:I don't know why it's so hard for you guys to understand.

If RVP put in a transfer request to United, Chelsea, or City on the last day of the summer window after Arsenal's shitty start, then you guys would react just the same as Liverpool fans have.

On the LFC side of it, after everything that he had said, written, and done, it would have lessened the blow of him going to Chelsea hugely if he had stuck out the rest of the season. Not to mention, him and Suarez together could have been magnificent.

luke. wrote:

NZG wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/01/fernando-torres-chelsea-big-step-forward

Torres can rot in hell.

Rot in hell for speaking the truth?

I thought lying was a sin.

"I'm so, so happy and so, so proud to be here, finally, after these 12 days of conversations," said Torres on Chelsea TV. "But, at the end of the day, I can say I'm a Chelsea player and I'm really, really happy. This is the kind of team I like to play against because that motivates me, but it's the kind of team I want to play for. It's always very tough playing against Chelsea, it's one of the biggest teams in Europe, always fighting for everything.

"So, after this, there are no more steps forward. This is the top level. The target for every footballer is to try and play at one of the top-level clubs in the world, and I can do it now. I have to be very, very happy as I am. The last three or four days have been very hard for me, especially after everything I have lived in Liverpool.

"But, as I said before, I can say I'm a Chelsea player now. I'm really happy and I'm sure I am doing one big step forward in my career joining a club like Chelsea. This is a great club, a real responsibility and everyone is expecting great things about me and I'm prepared and ready for the challenge."

I don't really see what's so bad about what he said, it's not wrong. The season before he left, you finished 7th, at the time he left, you were something like 16th, or ridiculously low in the table, and finished the season without European football. He wasn't wrong. You can't deny a move from Liverpool to Chelsea, in today's footballing world, is a big step up.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:I don't know why it's so hard for you guys to understand.

If RVP put in a transfer request to United, Chelsea, or City on the last day of the summer window after Arsenal's shitty start, then you guys would react just the same as Liverpool fans have.

On the LFC side of it, after everything that he had said, written, and done, it would have lessened the blow of him going to Chelsea hugely if he had stuck out the rest of the season. Not to mention, him and Suarez together could have been magnificent.

Torres was extremely courteous to Liverpool, he could have walked when Liverpool got dumped out of the Champions League before Christmas, he could have walked when Liverpool failed to qualify for the Champions League again, failed to win anything for the 4th consecutive season, and that disgrace of a fixture against Chelsea at the end of that season (he left Atletico for similar reasons), he didn't, he stuck with them. He even stayed when the old fool Hodgson was appointed, a few months later another old fool was appointed, Liverpool were nowhere in the race for 4th, dumped out of the FA Cup immediately after second old fool is appointed, already out of the Carling Cup, why the fuck would you expect him to stay?

Mustangt125 wrote:Discussing a transfer and then actually handing in a transfer request are worlds apart, there's a huge difference. Yeah Torres handed in a very late transfer request.

And yes I have read it many times bud. What you aren't able to comprehend is I believe the manner in which he left, which I just described above, is what left a bad taste for many fans.

I understand the issue of wanting to leave to win things and we weren't in a great light at the time. What you guys aren't able to understand is the majority of LFC fans on here begrudge him for the manner in which he left and who he went to, not the act of leaving itself because of the situation.

It's actually quite simple.

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

luke. wrote:

Rot in hell for speaking the truth?

I thought lying was a sin.



I don't really see what's so bad about what he said, it's not wrong. The season before he left, you finished 7th, at the time he left, you were something like 16th, or ridiculously low in the table, and finished the season without European football. He wasn't wrong. You can't deny a move from Liverpool to Chelsea, in today's footballing world, is a big step up.

would you think its ok, If you have one season where you finish 7th and then he went and moved to Utd? would that be acceptable?

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Torres was extremely courteous to Liverpool, he could have walked when Liverpool got dumped out of the Champions League before Christmas, he could have walked when Liverpool failed to qualify for the Champions League again, failed to win anything for the 4th consecutive season, and that disgrace of a fixture against Chelsea at the end of that season (he left Atletico for similar reasons), he didn't, he stuck with them. He even stayed when the old fool Hodgson was appointed, a few months later another old fool was appointed, Liverpool were nowhere in the race for 4th, dumped out of the FA Cup immediately after second old fool is appointed, already out of the Carling Cup, why the fuck would you expect him to stay?

Is it only a footballers duty to look out for them selves and when times get hard don't fight for the club your with but instead forget the fact your playing for a club not just yourself and take the easy option out a move?

Mustangt125 wrote:Discussing a transfer and then actually handing in a transfer request are worlds apart, there's a huge difference. Yeah Torres handed in a very late transfer request.

And yes I have read it many times bud. What you aren't able to comprehend is I believe the manner in which he left, which I just described above, is what left a bad taste for many fans.

I understand the issue of wanting to leave to win things and we weren't in a great light at the time. What you guys aren't able to understand is the majority of LFC fans on here begrudge him for the manner in which he left and who he went to, not the act of leaving itself because of the situation.

It's actually quite simple.

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Torres was extremely courteous to Liverpool, he could have walked when Liverpool got dumped out of the Champions League before Christmas, he could have walked when Liverpool failed to qualify for the Champions League again, failed to win anything for the 4th consecutive season, and that disgrace of a fixture against Chelsea at the end of that season (he left Atletico for similar reasons), he didn't, he stuck with them. He even stayed when the old fool Hodgson was appointed, a few months later another old fool was appointed, Liverpool were nowhere in the race for 4th, dumped out of the FA Cup immediately after second old fool is appointed, already out of the Carling Cup, why the fuck would you expect him to stay?

Is it only a footballers duty to look out for them selves and when times get hard don't fight for the club your with but instead forget the fact your playing for a club not just yourself and take the easy option out a move?

luke. wrote:

SpiritOfShankly wrote:


would you think its ok, If you have one season where you finish 7th and then he went and moved to Utd? would that be acceptable?

It's not just what happens in our season though, it's what happens in season before, too, and what happens in other seasons.

He was at Liverpool for what, 3 years? He won nothing, while he watched Man United and Chelsea players lifting silver, which player doesn't want to do that? Plus we don't have all of the background problems at our club, and God knows whatever else may have drove Torres to leave Liverpool.

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

Is it only a footballers duty to look out for them selves and when times get hard don't fight for the club your with but instead forget the fact your playing for a club not just yourself and take the easy option out a move?

They're footballers, not slaves to clubs. It's their job, their life, they can do as they please.

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

luke. wrote:

It's not just what happens in our season though, it's what happens in season before, too, and what happens in other seasons.

He was at Liverpool for what, 3 years? He won nothing, while he watched Man United and Chelsea players lifting silver, which player doesn't want to do that? Plus we don't have all of the background problems at our club, and God knows whatever else may have drove Torres to leave Liverpool.



They're footballers, not slaves to clubs. It's their job, their life, they can do as they please.

point, they shouldn't signed for so many years then, I believe they are entitled to move 'jobs' but if they wish to do so they shouldn't commit to the club they are at.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:Discussing a transfer and then actually handing in a transfer request are worlds apart, there's a huge difference. Yeah Torres handed in a very late transfer request.

And yes I have read it many times bud. What you aren't able to comprehend is I believe the manner in which he left, which I just described above, is what left a bad taste for many fans.

I understand the issue of wanting to leave to win things and we weren't in a great light at the time. What you guys aren't able to understand is the majority of LFC fans on here begrudge him for the manner in which he left and who he went to, not the act of leaving itself because of the situation.

It's actually quite simple.

What the fuck's wrong with going to Chelsea? Are you on of these nouveau-Liverpool fans who think that Liverpool and Chelsea are rivals?

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

Is it only a footballers duty to look out for them selves and when times get hard don't fight for the club your with but instead forget the fact your playing for a club not just yourself and take the easy option out a move?

If he was only looking out for himself he would have handed in a transfer request in 2008 when his value was at its highest after scoring the winner in Euro 2008 and he could have gone to any club in the world.

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
What the fuck's wrong with going to Chelsea? Are you on of these nouveau-Liverpool fans who think that Liverpool and Chelsea are rivals?


If he was only looking out for himself he would have handed in a transfer request in 2008 when his value was at its highest after scoring the winner in Euro 2008 and he could have gone to any club in the world.

A year after signing for us? don't be fucking stupid.

luke. wrote:

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

point, they shouldn't signed for so many years then, I believe they are entitled to move 'jobs' but if they wish to do so they shouldn't commit to the club they are at.

And do you think clubs are willing to offer short-term contracts so players are able to walk free after a short period of time? No.

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

luke. wrote:

And do you think clubs are willing to offer short-term contracts so players are able to walk free after a short period of time? No.

No I know, It's more the system which people are going to exploit but if a club decides to keep a player that's signed for a certain amount of time there shouldn't be a fuss about it and if the player causes problems to try and force a move then there should be something in place to protect the club, Look at this stupid Tevez situation.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

SpiritOfShankly wrote:


A year after signing for us? don't be fucking stupid.

How is that stupid?

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

luke. wrote:

And do you think clubs are willing to offer short-term contracts so players are able to walk free after a short period of time? No.

No I know, It's more the system which people are going to exploit but if a club decides to keep a player that's signed for a certain amount of time there shouldn't be a fuss about it and if the player causes problems to try and force a move then there should be something in place to protect the club, Look at this stupid Tevez situation.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

SpiritOfShankly wrote:


No I know, It's more the system which people are going to exploit but if a club decides to keep a player that's signed for a certain amount of time there shouldn't be a fuss about it and if the player causes problems to try and force a move then there should be something in place to protect the club, Look at this stupid Tevez situation.

There is, you can hold his registration meaning he won't be able to move clubs, and sue him for his transfer value if he breaches his contract.

SpiritOfShankly wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

How is that stupid?

He'd probably just settled in, It's still a new experience, He moved from Spain barley 12 months before, Liverpool were doing well just come of the back of a champions league final there's plenty of reasons. Don't you think when a club is having a hard time there top players should be the ones who stand up and help rather than desert the club they are playing for?