Torres: "fans dont know the full story"

NZG wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Sinking ship...hardly.

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Luke, you don't need to go about with your passionate defence every time Torres gets a mention.



That we apparently don't know the full story is a nice but stupid way to side-step what we do know. I still think he's a bitch, but normally I can't care less.

Yes, it does help that as of now, Suarez is better than him. Why try to be sarcastic about the truth? If a big player leaves course a better player filling his boots will soften the blow.

Suarez has been better than him so far* Torres was better when he was here tbh. If suarez learns to finish then he'll be a lot better.

but I agree with everything else.

We had gone through an extended period where Torres only shone every now and then. I'm talking about what he was like when he left..granted he had just gone on a small run of form. But still, the 07/08, 08/09 seasons were a distant memory. Suarez is better than Torres was before he left and what he is now.

Suarez can finish, the issue is something I can't really grasp. Won't expect him to finish like the Torres of old though.

What Torres should have done is said

'I am very sad to be leaving Liverpool, a far bigger club than Chelsea. They are paying me so much money though, and thanks to Mr. Abramovich's oil money, I might actually win something here.'

Ché Guayaba wrote:Hope he scores a brace against Liverpool.

He's been treated so unfairly.

Start. wrote:I feel sorry for him, Really do.

I mean how long has he been playing 'poor' compared to what he played like under Rafa, must be hard.

Hopefully he can find that form again sometime soon.

People feeling sorry for him

He left us on the last couple of days before the end of the transfer window, leaving us little time to find a replacement. It's basically like getting to the day of marrying your girlfriend only for her to jilt you at the alter for another man because he has a bigger dick. Would you feel sorry then?

I don't buy into the whole 'he wanted to leave early in January' because if he did he didn't exactly make it clear to anyone at the club. Also Reina never said anything in his book and he was best mates with Torres. Pepe was also pretty open about stuff in his book so he wouldn't have held anything back.

luke. wrote:How could he act normally when scousers were wishing death upon him?

I doubt you'd act normally in that situation, nor would anyone. Especially someone as quit and fragile as Torres seems.

Infact, it's wrong to even judge him as if he wasn't acting normally.

There was only a select few that threatened him with death. Lets face it every club has those cunts as fans, so you can't exactly generalise us for that.

Fragile? Quiet? You taking the piss? He can certainly hold his own and is not afraid to say a few words when needs be.

Scouser_Dave wrote:He left us on the last couple of days before the end of the transfer window, leaving us little time to find a replacement. It's basically like getting to the day of marrying your girlfriend only for her to jilt you at the alter for another man because he has a bigger dick. Would you feel sorry then?

You had already signed a replacement.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:He left us on the last couple of days before the end of the transfer window, leaving us little time to find a replacement. It's basically like getting to the day of marrying your girlfriend only for her to jilt you at the alter for another man because he has a bigger dick. Would you feel sorry then?

You had already signed a replacement.

Suarez was bought to partner Torres. We were in negations with Ajax early in January before the whole thing kicked off.

“Yes, it's true I expected to play with Fernando,” Suarez told Goal.com UK. “Fernando is a very good player. He's got great quality and it would have been nice to play with him.

“It's a shame that he's gone as he is an excellent player and has great qualities. But at the same time there are many other great players at Liverpool.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

You had already signed a replacement.

Suarez was bought to partner Torres. We were in negations with Ajax early in January before the whole thing kicked off.

“Yes, it's true I expected to play with Fernando,” Suarez told Goal.com UK. “Fernando is a very good player. He's got great quality and it would have been nice to play with him.

“It's a shame that he's gone as he is an excellent player and has great qualities. But at the same time there are many other great players at Liverpool.

So you don't think Suarez is an adequate replacement for Torres?

Torres

Was so non-existant against us.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

Suarez was bought to partner Torres. We were in negations with Ajax early in January before the whole thing kicked off.

So you don't think Suarez is an adequate replacement for Torres?

Where did I say that?

Suarez is certainly a good enough player to replace Torres. That wasn't exactly what we bought him for though. He was bought to help take the strain off Torres and chip in with the goals. Considering we were waiting for Babel to leave before we signed Suarez probably meant that he was more his replacement than anything else.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

So you don't think Suarez is an adequate replacement for Torres?

Where did I say that?

Suarez is certainly a good enough player to replace Torres. That wasn't exactly what we bought him for though. He was bought to help take the strain off Torres and chip in with the goals. Considering we were waiting for Babel to leave before we signed Suarez probably meant that he was more his replacement than anything else.

Right, so he only left after you had signed a good enough player to replace him. So what the fuck's your problem?

I think Torres just couldn't understand a single word Kenny was saying, so he was like "fuck this"

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

Where did I say that?

Suarez is certainly a good enough player to replace Torres. That wasn't exactly what we bought him for though. He was bought to help take the strain off Torres and chip in with the goals. Considering we were waiting for Babel to leave before we signed Suarez probably meant that he was more his replacement than anything else.

Right, so he only left after you had signed a good enough player to replace him. So what the fuck's your problem?

The lack of strikers is my problem. What a fucking stupid question to ask anyway. We need to build on the strength of the side not just take one out to replace another. That's generally how a rebuild works in a Football side.

Dave just leave him alone. He is clearly not smart enough to see that suarez and torres are different sorts of strikers. Don't waste your time on lesser minds.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Right, so he only left after you had signed a good enough player to replace him. So what the fuck's your problem?

The lack of strikers is my problem. What a fucking stupid question to ask anyway. We need to build on the strength of the side not just take one out to replace another. That's generally how a rebuild works in a Football side.

What lack of strikers? With the signing of Suarez and sale of Torres you had the same amount of strikers as you had before. Add in the signing of Andrew Carroll and you have one extra, which you could afford to sign because of the massive amount of money Torres got you. I know Carroll is shit, but that's not Torres' fault, it's "King" Kenneth Dalglish.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

The lack of strikers is my problem. What a fucking stupid question to ask anyway. We need to build on the strength of the side not just take one out to replace another. That's generally how a rebuild works in a Football side.

What lack of strikers? With the signing of Suarez and sale of Torres you had the same amount of strikers as you had before. Add in the signing of Andrew Carroll and you have one extra, which you could afford to sign because of the massive amount of money Torres got you. I know Carroll is shit, but that's not Torres' fault, it's "King" Kenneth Dalglish.

Jesus, it's not getting through to you is it. We bought Suarez to strengthen the side to add more numbers so that we had more options upfront.

Carroll was a player that Kenny was looking at buying this summer (the one thats just past) to add even more strength to the side. The plan was brought forward at the last minute with the transfer request from Torres.

Dave, can't you read?

You're clearly one of the fans who has fallen for Liverpool's story. If you actually listened to what Torres he said, he said there were '12 days of conversations' between Torres, Liverpool, and Chelsea. That's more than enough time, almost 2 weeks. Not the 3 days Liverpool made it out to be, as I said, just like they did with Meireles.

luke. wrote:Dave, can't you read?

You're clearly one of the fans who has fallen for Liverpool's story. If you actually listened to what Torres he said, he said there were '12 days of conversations' between Torres, Liverpool, and Chelsea. That's more than enough time, almost 2 weeks. Not the 3 days Liverpool made it out to be, as I said, just like they did with Meireles.

Don't buy that at all. That's just another lie to add to his book imo.

On the 26th January Atletico confirmed a bid from Chelsea was turned down for Sergio Aguero. Now why would they be looking at signing him if they were already talking to Torres?

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

What lack of strikers? With the signing of Suarez and sale of Torres you had the same amount of strikers as you had before. Add in the signing of Andrew Carroll and you have one extra, which you could afford to sign because of the massive amount of money Torres got you. I know Carroll is shit, but that's not Torres' fault, it's "King" Kenneth Dalglish.

Jesus, it's not getting through to you is it. We bought Suarez to strengthen the side to add more numbers so that we had more options upfront.

Carroll was a player that Kenny was looking at buying this summer (the one thats just past) to add even more strength to the side. The plan was brought forward at the last minute with the transfer request from Torres.

Yeah, it'd be nice for you to have had both, but as it happened, Suarez ended up being an adequate replacement for Torres, rather than a partner, so it's not fair at all to say he left when you didn't have a replacement. You should be grateful he waited that long.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

luke. wrote:Dave, can't you read?

You're clearly one of the fans who has fallen for Liverpool's story. If you actually listened to what Torres he said, he said there were '12 days of conversations' between Torres, Liverpool, and Chelsea. That's more than enough time, almost 2 weeks. Not the 3 days Liverpool made it out to be, as I said, just like they did with Meireles.

Don't buy that at all. That's just another lie to add to his book imo.

On the 26th January Atletico confirmed a bid from Chelsea was turned down for Sergio Aguero. Now why would they be looking at signing him if they were already talking to Torres?

In case you kept Torres against his will.

Just because they confirmed they received a bid on that date, doesn't mean that's when the bid happened.

There are several reasons why they'd be looking into Torres and Aguero, Plan A, and Plan B, or they were both part of the same plan. If we wanted Aguero that badly, we'd have got him, we could have had him a couple of years ago, but for his wage demands. You won't buy Torres story, but you're happy enough to buy Liverpool's? Believe what you want, but you're just proving Torres point.

I thought Chelsea denied making a bid for Aguero?

Yes, more lies from Liverpool fans trying to vilify Torres.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/9373739.stm

Sort of, a spokesperson said Chelsea FC wouldn't be commentating on transfer speculation. I was going to bring up the reliability of the club's chairman too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/9373739.stm


Edit: Wow RR got the same link and ninja'd me

luke. wrote:Just because they confirmed they received a bid on that date, doesn't mean that's when the bid happened.

There are several reasons why they'd be looking into Torres and Aguero, Plan A, and Plan B, or they were both part of the same plan. If we wanted Aguero that badly, we'd have got him, we could have had him a couple of years ago, but for his wage demands. You won't buy Torres story, but you're happy enough to buy Liverpool's? Believe what you want, but you're just proving Torres point.

torres would of said this earlier if it was true. As someone earlier stated, this is just a sidestep.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

Jesus, it's not getting through to you is it. We bought Suarez to strengthen the side to add more numbers so that we had more options upfront.

Carroll was a player that Kenny was looking at buying this summer (the one thats just past) to add even more strength to the side. The plan was brought forward at the last minute with the transfer request from Torres.

Yeah, it'd be nice for you to have had both, but as it happened, Suarez ended up being an adequate replacement for Torres, rather than a partner, so it's not fair at all to say he left when you didn't have a replacement. You should be grateful he waited that long.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

Don't buy that at all. That's just another lie to add to his book imo.

On the 26th January Atletico confirmed a bid from Chelsea was turned down for Sergio Aguero. Now why would they be looking at signing him if they were already talking to Torres?

In case you kept Torres against his will.

What like you's lot did with Ronaldo and Rooney.

Torres was contracted to us, if anything wasn't fair then it's the fact that Torres didn't keep to that commitment.

NZG wrote:

luke. wrote:Just because they confirmed they received a bid on that date, doesn't mean that's when the bid happened.

There are several reasons why they'd be looking into Torres and Aguero, Plan A, and Plan B, or they were both part of the same plan. If we wanted Aguero that badly, we'd have got him, we could have had him a couple of years ago, but for his wage demands. You won't buy Torres story, but you're happy enough to buy Liverpool's? Believe what you want, but you're just proving Torres point.

torres would of said this earlier if it was true. As someone earlier stated, this is just a sidestep.

Said what earlier?

About the 12 days of discussions?

I think you'll find he said that right after he joined Chelsea.

Can you provide a link for this?

NZG wrote:Can you provide a link for this?

You provided the link yourself on the first page.

It's funny how you cunts expect a load of loyalty from players, but as soon as a guy who has wasted years of his career at your club makes a decision you don't agree with, (a decision that nets your club £50m, and saves it a shitload of money in wages) to better his own career, to move to the Champions of England, you fuckers all turn on him. He gave everything he could to try and elevate your club to a level where it could finally win the Premier League, he was one of your best ever players, but people like Gerrard, Carragher, they simply weren't good enough. He could have left after one year and gone to a club where he could actually win trophies, 2009 he could probably have signed for Barcelona, Real Madrid, or Manchester United, he didn't. Even after his mentor, the man who brought him to the club, Rafael Benitez, left, after taking Liverpool out of the Champions League, and Roy Hodgson came in, he still didn't leave, despite the opportunities, he decided to stick with the club.

He only left with the club in mid table at best, with the club acting in desperation, bringing in a senile club legend who immediately took you out of the FA Cup and eventually took you out of Europe. You should be bowing down and worshipping him, not vilifying him.

luke. wrote:Just because they confirmed they received a bid on that date, doesn't mean that's when the bid happened.

There are several reasons why they'd be looking into Torres and Aguero, Plan A, and Plan B, or they were both part of the same plan. If we wanted Aguero that badly, we'd have got him, we could have had him a couple of years ago, but for his wage demands. You won't buy Torres story, but you're happy enough to buy Liverpool's? Believe what you want, but you're just proving Torres point.

There's nothing to prove either way to be honest. It would be strange if Atletico left it weeks before making a statement though. Also why would Atletico lie about Chelsea making a bid? I doubt very much that they wanted to lose their best player in January.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Yeah, it'd be nice for you to have had both, but as it happened, Suarez ended up being an adequate replacement for Torres, rather than a partner, so it's not fair at all to say he left when you didn't have a replacement. You should be grateful he waited that long.


In case you kept Torres against his will.

What like you's lot did with Ronaldo and Rooney.

Torres was contracted to us, if anything wasn't fair then it's the fact that Torres didn't keep to that commitment.

We never kept Rooney against his will. Ronaldo we did, and that was wrong.

Liverpool were also in contract to Torres. They chose to break that commitment because they wanted £50m.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

luke. wrote:Just because they confirmed they received a bid on that date, doesn't mean that's when the bid happened.

There are several reasons why they'd be looking into Torres and Aguero, Plan A, and Plan B, or they were both part of the same plan. If we wanted Aguero that badly, we'd have got him, we could have had him a couple of years ago, but for his wage demands. You won't buy Torres story, but you're happy enough to buy Liverpool's? Believe what you want, but you're just proving Torres point.

There's nothing to prove either way to be honest. It would be strange if Atletico left it weeks before making a statement though. Also why would Atletico lie about Chelsea making a bid? I doubt very much that they wanted to loose their best player in January.

Why would a club lie about rejecting a bid worth £39 million? Well, it alerts other clubs, and they'll bid higher, Atletico knew they were going to lose Aguero, so why not squeeze out as much money as they could? Even if they made the announcement they rejected the bid just after they had rejected it, it doesn't mean the bid was placed on the same day either. They may not have wanted to lose him, but if someone coughed up the money they were looking for, he would have left in January for a higher price then he left for in the summer.