The minority? Does that make the majority of the Libyan population violent extremists? Because I'm sure there would have been a lot more trouble if that were the case.
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Are these guys really protesting over a film?
No need to bomb and kill people...
No need to bomb and kill people...
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Dan wrote:Some of the stuff in here reminds me of this guy..
Muslamic ray guns
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Mustangt125 wrote:So much for the Arab Spring leading to peaceful democratic states. Libyans you ungrateful dirty fucks.
The Muslim Brotherhood given power in Egypt and coordinating attacks in Cairo and Benghazi.
Killing our ambassador that helped transfer power away from the dictator in Libya and what we hoped was to the people, and they kill the guy we had on the ground helping them. Ripped up our flag. Parading the ambassador's half naked body around the streets like that scene from Black Hawk Down. Chanting as they climbed our embassy walls "We're all Osamas Obama, we're all Osamas!" Well good for you boys, you can get the same fate.
You boys are lucky there were no marines there, it'd been a bloodbath.
Isn't it time the liberals came around? The Arabs and Muslims dont hate us because Bush was a prick, it's because the extremists are pure scum that use their religion for violence. Wasn't Obama going to make besties with the Arabs? That went well.
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Mustangt125 wrote:Forest, we don't have any troops in those shitholes Libya and Egypt.
And Ahly I dont give a fuck what you say. You would defend terrorist attacks and murder. In your BEST possible defense, Muslims murdered innocent people over a youtube video. How pathetic!
The Arab Spring was a joke and will only result in more tyranny in the region. If I were you, i'd get out of the region bro.
When have I ever defended the killings in Libya?
You truly are pathetic, Mustang. You go beyond the stereotypical racist Redneck Islamophobe.You just can't comprehend that a huge majority of people in the country are against what happened in Libya and Egypt. Hell just a few seconds ago, they were saying how wrong it is on an Islamic channel. But you wouldn't think otherwise if facts slapped you across the face.
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I love the Jingoistic chauvinists who talk about military action like they are the ones unloading M4 clips into a terrorist's chest. 
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by Childish Logic Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:57 pm
okay.... the film is being protested but it is not the reason for the attacks. al qaeda wouldn't attack an american embassy over this, plus it wouldn't of happened so soon. this was planned way before any video. Its only a cover up.
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El_indian wrote:Dan wrote:Some of the stuff in here reminds me of this guy..
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Tbf fair I was Libya 2 weeks ago (I am a Libyan) and 90% of Libyans really don't give a fuck about America or Americans. If you go on the streets in Libya and ask if the care about what happened pretty for most would say they don't care and that he had it coming.
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by menalawyerguy Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:21 pm
Huh? If he "had it coming," then that would imply that they care at least on some level. And why did he have it coming? What did he do to deserve this? He was trying to help Libya. If that's how Libyans feel, then fuck them.
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menalawyerguy wrote:Huh? If he "had it coming," then that would imply that they care at least on some level. And why did he have it coming? What did he do to deserve this? He was trying to help Libya. If that's how Libyans feel, then fuck them.
They pretty much hate all Westerners, maybe some see France as an expection but others say they had vested interest during the NATO strikes and dislike them.
When you live for 42 years under one of the most oppressive regimes in history and you have America and the West spouting bull about human rights and blah blah blah but doing nothing to help you and acually working with your oppressor then I think you are entitled to have some animosity towards them.
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by Childish Logic Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:38 pm
Larry Beale wrote:menalawyerguy wrote:Huh? If he "had it coming," then that would imply that they care at least on some level. And why did he have it coming? What did he do to deserve this? He was trying to help Libya. If that's how Libyans feel, then fuck them.
They pretty much hate all Westerners, maybe some see France as an expection but others say they had vested interest during the NATO strikes and dislike them.
When you live for 42 years under one of the most oppressive regimes in history and you have America and the West spouting bull about human rights and blah blah blah but doing nothing to help you and acually working with your oppressor then I think you are entitled to have some animosity towards them.
no.
They hate westerners like mustang.
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by menalawyerguy Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:39 pm
Larry Beale wrote:menalawyerguy wrote:Huh? If he "had it coming," then that would imply that they care at least on some level. And why did he have it coming? What did he do to deserve this? He was trying to help Libya. If that's how Libyans feel, then fuck them.
They pretty much hate all Westerners, maybe some see France as an expection but others say they had vested interest during the NATO strikes and dislike them.
When you live for 42 years under one of the most oppressive regimes in history and you have America and the West spouting bull about human rights and blah blah blah but doing nothing to help you and acually working with your oppressor then I think you are entitled to have some animosity towards them.
Fair enough. I wish our foreign policy towards North Africa had been a bit different in recent decades. But the fact of the matter is that they never would have gotten rid of Qaddafi without NATO's help. Do they realize that?
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by Theo Filippo Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:41 pm
Mustangt needs putting down.
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menalawyerguy wrote:
Fair enough. I wish our foreign policy towards North Africa had been a bit different in recent decades. But the fact of the matter is that they never would have gotten rid of Qaddafi without NATO's help. Do they realize that?
Yeah they do, it was pretty obvious to them back then and it's even more so know that they have seen what is happening in Syria without NATO, Gaddafi was much worse than Bashar is now so it's clear to them.
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Btw, Qaddafi was no friend of ours before or after the Arab Spring came along. He was a terrorist in our book.
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Youre pathetic Ahly. Your best possible defense is they murdered these innocent people over a fucking video. Cmon. That's so lame.
No, Childish, I don't give a shit about the majority of Muslims and I wish all this stuff never happened. But these things happen under the banner of your religion and you guys come in here acting like an American being upset about Americans being murdered is off the charts? Take a step back you nuts.
@Larry Beale - that's our point. We wanted Ghaddafi dead just as much as they did for that plane bombing that killed Americans. But we, adn specifically this ambassador, helped the people and then this happens.
No, Childish, I don't give a shit about the majority of Muslims and I wish all this stuff never happened. But these things happen under the banner of your religion and you guys come in here acting like an American being upset about Americans being murdered is off the charts? Take a step back you nuts.
@Larry Beale - that's our point. We wanted Ghaddafi dead just as much as they did for that plane bombing that killed Americans. But we, adn specifically this ambassador, helped the people and then this happens.
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menalawyerguy wrote:Btw, Qaddafi was no friend of ours before or after the Arab Spring came along. He was a terrorist in our book.
That you shook hands with and had no problem in taking money and oil from.
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by menalawyerguy Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:40 am
The film isn't even any good. It's an amateurish piece of crap that looks like it was filmed in somebody's garage. What's worse is that the inflammatory parts weren't even part of the original script and they weren't the lines that the actors delivered. The director dubbed in the inflammatory parts and each actor involved in the film has sworn an affidavit that that was all done without their approval.
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by menalawyerguy Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:44 am
Larry Beale wrote:menalawyerguy wrote:Btw, Qaddafi was no friend of ours before or after the Arab Spring came along. He was a terrorist in our book.
That you shook hands with and had no problem in taking money and oil from.
Libya is a teenie tiny supplier of our oil. They didn't even crack the top 20 of our suppliers while Qaddafi was in power. We didn't place an embargo on them, which means private American companies are allowed to buy goods and services from Libya. Just because some of our companies bought oil from them doesn't mean Qaddafi and the US were buddies. Anyway, since Qaddafi fell, American imports from Libya have increased substantially.
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menalawyerguy wrote:
Libya is a teenie tiny supplier of our oil. They didn't even crack the top 20 of our suppliers while Qaddafi was in power. We didn't place an embargo on them, which means private American companies are allowed to buy goods and services from Libya. Just because some of our companies bought oil from them doesn't mean Qaddafi and Libya were buddies. Anyway, since Qaddafi fell, American imports from Libya have increased substantially.
Just pointing out you didn't class him as a "terrorist" until the the Arab spring.
Unless that is Obama intended to shake Bin Ladens hand if he ever met him.
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by Mustangt125 Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:54 am
Yes, we did. He orchestrated a plane bombing that killed a bunch of Americans and he they were considered a terrorist state.
Then they came back to us and demilitarized if you want to call it that, and then and only then did we go to the table then.
You also can't deny we helped bring him down. That probably wouldn't have happened without the US involved.
Then they came back to us and demilitarized if you want to call it that, and then and only then did we go to the table then.
You also can't deny we helped bring him down. That probably wouldn't have happened without the US involved.
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by Mustangt125 Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:57 am
now they are burning building and restaurants in Tripoli and rushing our embassy in Tripoli and Sudan.
So are all these people extremists?
So are all these people extremists?
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Mustangt125 wrote:Yes, we did. He orchestrated a plane bombing that killed a bunch of Americans and he they were considered a terrorist state.
Then they came back to us and demilitarized if you want to call it that, and then and only then did we go to the table then.
You also can't deny we helped bring him down. That probably wouldn't have happened without the US involved.
How many US soldiers (if you want to call them that) died during the events in Libya ?
Gaddafi payed you off just like he did to the familes of the Lockerbie bombing and then all was forgiven.
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by menalawyerguy Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:00 am
We dialed down the pressure and rhetoric on him significantly after he agreed to abandon his WMD program.Larry Beale wrote:menalawyerguy wrote:
Libya is a teenie tiny supplier of our oil. They didn't even crack the top 20 of our suppliers while Qaddafi was in power. We didn't place an embargo on them, which means private American companies are allowed to buy goods and services from Libya. Just because some of our companies bought oil from them doesn't mean Qaddafi and Libya were buddies. Anyway, since Qaddafi fell, American imports from Libya have increased substantially.
Just pointing out you didn't class him as a "terrorist" until the the Arab spring.
Unless that is Obama intended to shake Bin Ladens hand if he ever met him.
He was behind the Lockerbie bombing, the bombing of a discotheque in Berlin, and he funded a variety of terrorist groups. He was certainly classed as a terrorist but, sadly, he was a terrorist we couldn't do anything about. We didn't put an embargo on Libya because it wasn't in our economic interests to do so (but we did sanction Libya, IIRC). For better or worse, our economic interests often times trump our human rights interests.
Obama shaking his hand was disgusting to me, btw.
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Mustangt125 wrote:now they are burning building and restaurants in Tripoli and rushing our embassy in Tripoli and Sudan.
So are all these people extremists?
No, just your average 3rd world Muslims.
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by menalawyerguy Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:02 am
Yes. They're also people caught up in a mob mentality (kinda like football hooligans) but it was a mob that was sparked by extremists.Mustangt125 wrote:now they are burning building and restaurants in Tripoli and rushing our embassy in Tripoli and Sudan.
So are all these people extremists?
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menalawyerguy wrote:
We didn't put an embargo on Libya because it wasn't in our economic interests to do so (but we did sanction Libya, IIRC). For better or worse, our economic interests often times trump our human rights interests.
Thank you for pointing that out, that was my entire point.
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by menalawyerguy Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:06 am
Yea, it's a sad reality. For decades, we took the view that we don't have the resources or the political capital to cure the world of its demons so we decided to simply look out for our own economic interests. That thinking took a turn when Bush decided after 9/11 that we need to start democratizing people. We've paid a hefty price for that policy and I think it's proven bad for our national interests.
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Mustangt125 wrote:now they are burning building and restaurants in Tripoli and rushing our embassy in Tripoli and Sudan.
So are all these people extremists?
Duh, do you know what the definition of an extremist is?
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