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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:18 am

    Dan wrote:
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    Currently the holder of a British passport, has an English parent and is eligible for the English national team.

    He is a Jamaican, he should play for Jamaica, that's what his mother wants, if you want to bring parentage into it. Fucking Manuel Almunia is eligible for a British Passport and to play for any of the home nations , does that make him English?

    Yes. If that is what he believes he is.

    And, I don't believe that nationality is defined by 'what a parent wants'. I'm saying that his father is English. Therefore, Sterling has English parentage. Therefore, he himself is English.

    Please tell me you aren't one of these morons that define nationality as place of birth and nothing else? Because surely, an intellectual like wouldn't be that retarded?

    What if he just says he is because he has no chance of making it into the Spanish team? We both know what will happen with this Sterling guy, if he turns out to be any good he'll shun the country of his birth, and if he turns out to be crap he'll go any play for Jamaica.

    Nationality isn't defined solely by place of birth, but in sport it should be, because footballers whore themselves around, and you end up with people like Andy Townsend captaining Ireland, and Tony Cascarino inventing imaginary relatives, all because they're too crap to play for their country of birth, or arseholes like that Eoin Morgan, not playing for Ireland and playing for England instead because England pay him more.

    So, despite Raheem Sterling spending 15 years of his life in this country, a significant amount higher than that in Jamaica, he is not English?

    Correct.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:19 am

    I wouldn't say the rankings are deadly accurate, but they're a much better judgement of a side than an actual knockout tournament that lasts a few games, as the rankings take all games into account.


    A lot of teams can go far in tournaments and even win them, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're the best. Greece at Euro 2004, Liverpool CL 2005 are good examples. None of those teams, in my opinion, were the very best in Europe at the time of their victories.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:19 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Dan wrote:
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    He is a Jamaican, he should play for Jamaica, that's what his mother wants, if you want to bring parentage into it. Fucking Manuel Almunia is eligible for a British Passport and to play for any of the home nations , does that make him English?

    Yes. If that is what he believes he is.

    And, I don't believe that nationality is defined by 'what a parent wants'. I'm saying that his father is English. Therefore, Sterling has English parentage. Therefore, he himself is English.

    Please tell me you aren't one of these morons that define nationality as place of birth and nothing else? Because surely, an intellectual like wouldn't be that retarded?

    What if he just says he is because he has no chance of making it into the Spanish team? We both know what will happen with this Sterling guy, if he turns out to be any good he'll shun the country of his birth, and if he turns out to be crap he'll go any play for Jamaica.

    Nationality isn't defined solely by place of birth, but in sport it should be, because footballers whore themselves around, and you end up with people like Andy Townsend captaining Ireland, and Tony Cascarino inventing imaginary relatives, all because they're too crap to play for their country of birth, or arseholes like that Eoin Morgan, not playing for Ireland and playing for England instead because England pay him more.

    So, despite Raheem Sterling spending 15 years of his life in this country, a significant amount higher than that in Jamaica, he is not English?

    Correct.

    You used to be much stronger with your trolling.
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    Post by Uncle John from Jamaica Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:19 am

    I'd rather have Adam Clayton than Michael Carrick.
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    Post by Danny Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:20 am

    Sterling's English tbh.

    Lived in England for all but a year of his life, English parent. What's wrong with that? Neutral
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    Post by The Bat-Man Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:20 am

    Cam wrote:Obviously, I don't think he's as good as Cleverley or Wilshire (obviously) But I think he could be a good England player when he's older

    Who's he?


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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:20 am

    Danny wrote:Sterling's English tbh.

    Lived in England for all but a year of his life, English parent. What's wrong with that? Neutral

    He plays for Liverpool.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:20 am

    Danny wrote:Sterling's English tbh.

    Lived in England for all but a year of his life, English parent. What's wrong with that? Neutral

    He's Jamaican.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:21 am

    I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.
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    Post by Kuled Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:21 am

    Uncle John from Jamaica wrote:I'd rather have Adam Clayton than Michael Carrick.
    Oh yeah him. Who is he again?
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    Post by Coatsy Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:21 am

    Frimpong needs to commit to England Sad
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    Post by fluffy_kittens Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:22 am

    Forest wrote:Ghana are better? rofl

    Are they fuck.

    talent wise? probably not

    but chemistry wise? yes, and they've proved it the past 2 world cups. I believe they are better then the current England squad who couldn't beat USA or Algeria.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:23 am

    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    So, I was born in China. To a completely English family. I stayed in China for a day before returning to England. Am I Chinese?
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:23 am

    Dan wrote:
    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    So, I was born in China. To a completely English family. I stayed in China for a day before returning to England. Am I Chinese?
    Until you earn your English citizenship.
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    Post by The Zlatan Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:24 am

    Dan wrote:
    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    So, I was born in China. To a completely English family. I stayed in China for a day before returning to England. Am I Chinese?

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    Post by Uncle John from Jamaica Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:24 am

    Kuled wrote:
    Uncle John from Jamaica wrote:I'd rather have Adam Clayton than Michael Carrick.
    Oh yeah him. Who is he again?

    Just some guy who bossed the premier leagues player of the year around the other week smug
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:24 am

    Dan wrote:You used to be much stronger with your trolling.

    Fuck off Dan, I don't think a Jamaican should play for England, what is your problem with that? Should Spain be allowed to call up Messi for the 2014 World Cup? He has a Spanish passport and by then he'll have lived in Spain longer than he lived in Argentina. Does that sound alright to you?
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    Post by fluffy_kittens Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:24 am

    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    I agree with this that rule is goddamn bullshit. Players who can't play for the huge nations play for shittier nations because of their heritage and passports. It's complete bullshit that should be done away with.
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    Post by Danny Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:24 am

    SBSP wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    So, I was born in China. To a completely English family. I stayed in China for a day before returning to England. Am I Chinese?
    Until you earn your English citizenship.
    Which is something Sterling has.
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:25 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Dan wrote:You used to be much stronger with your trolling.

    Fuck off Dan, I don't think a Jamaican should play for England, what is your problem with that? Should Spain be allowed to call up Messi for the 2014 World Cup? He has a Spanish passport and by then he'll have lived in Spain longer than he lived in Argentina. Does that sound alright to you?
    facepalm

    Messi has already played for Argentina. I don't recall Sterling playing for Jamaica.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:26 am

    SBSP wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    So, I was born in China. To a completely English family. I stayed in China for a day before returning to England. Am I Chinese?
    Until you earn your English citizenship.

    I already have English citizenship.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:26 am

    Dan wrote:
    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    So, I was born in China. To a completely English family. I stayed in China for a day before returning to England. Am I Chinese?

    I'm not too sure on the matter, but i'd think that by law you'd be classed as a Chinese Citizen despite an all English family, because you were born in that country. You would be eligible to play for China and England if you were a footballer i'd think.


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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:26 am

    SBSP wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Dan wrote:You used to be much stronger with your trolling.

    Fuck off Dan, I don't think a Jamaican should play for England, what is your problem with that? Should Spain be allowed to call up Messi for the 2014 World Cup? He has a Spanish passport and by then he'll have lived in Spain longer than he lived in Argentina. Does that sound alright to you?
    facepalm

    Messi has already played for Argentina. I don't recall Sterling playing for Jamaica.

    Why should that make a difference? According to Dan's logic he is now Spanish, it's not right that a Spaniard plays for Argentina is it?
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    Post by Danny Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:26 am

    RR, Messi for Spain? Really? rofl
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:26 am

    Dan wrote:
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    Dan wrote:
    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    So, I was born in China. To a completely English family. I stayed in China for a day before returning to England. Am I Chinese?
    Until you earn your English citizenship.

    I already have English citizenship.
    Wait, you were actually born in China? shifty
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:26 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    SBSP wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Dan wrote:You used to be much stronger with your trolling.

    Fuck off Dan, I don't think a Jamaican should play for England, what is your problem with that? Should Spain be allowed to call up Messi for the 2014 World Cup? He has a Spanish passport and by then he'll have lived in Spain longer than he lived in Argentina. Does that sound alright to you?
    facepalm

    Messi has already played for Argentina. I don't recall Sterling playing for Jamaica.

    Why should that make a difference? According to Dan's logic he is now Spanish, it's not right that a Spaniard plays for Argentina is it?
    No, because under the FIFA rules, you can only represent one nation.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:26 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Dan wrote:You used to be much stronger with your trolling.

    Fuck off Dan, I don't think a Jamaican should play for England, what is your problem with that? Should Spain be allowed to call up Messi for the 2014 World Cup? He has a Spanish passport and by then he'll have lived in Spain longer than he lived in Argentina. Does that sound alright to you?

    There is no need to get abusive.

    No, it doesn't. Mainly because Messi has already played for Argentina.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:27 am

    SBSP wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    SBSP wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Forest wrote:I don't agree with the Citezenship rule either. If I were to live in a stable for 15 years it wouldn't make me a horse and I wouldn't be able to compete in the Grand National.

    So, I was born in China. To a completely English family. I stayed in China for a day before returning to England. Am I Chinese?
    Until you earn your English citizenship.

    I already have English citizenship.
    Wait, you were actually born in China? shifty

    I am eligible for British citizenship through parentage.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:27 am

    Dan wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Dan wrote:You used to be much stronger with your trolling.

    Fuck off Dan, I don't think a Jamaican should play for England, what is your problem with that? Should Spain be allowed to call up Messi for the 2014 World Cup? He has a Spanish passport and by then he'll have lived in Spain longer than he lived in Argentina. Does that sound alright to you?

    There is no need to get abusive.

    No, it doesn't. Mainly because Messi has already played for Argentina.

    But he is Spanish now. Why should a Spaniard play for Argentina?
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    Post by The Bat-Man Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:27 am

    You are from the country your dad and born and raised in.

    Simple.

    Unless you're Jewish.

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