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    Is Football no longer a working class sport

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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:24 am

    Is Football no longer a working class sport?

    Times have changed dramatically over the last 20 years. The 'old' fan is a dieing breed, were supporters originated from the city/town they come from. They stick by there team no matter what happens, on and off the field. The club represented the city.

    Ticket prices have increased dramatically, and now days you may need to take out a loan for a Premier League game. Has the 'Sky' experience ruined football?

    Has football lost it's working class roots?

    Discuss. Coffee
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    Post by Zzonked Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:26 am

    Yes. Definitely.

    I've seen a coffee/pastry stall outside both Everton and City before, what's that shit about.

    Football's not ruined though.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:27 am

    Wouldn't be surprised if we had 4 quarters in the future, all about commercialism these days
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    Post by Ben Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:27 am

    The majority of fans inside the stadium are still working class and the stalls/shops in and around the grounds are so I'd say yes it is.
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:37 am

    Maybe in England.

    Go to Germany for a prime example of a working system. Sky did screw lots of things up though admittedly.
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    Post by Dean Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:43 am

    Yes, football has lost it's way. It's becoming a fashion so to say, I see people going the match and I just think, you're not even going the game because you love Liverpool or love football, you're here because it's the "fashion" " the in-thing to do". As Zzonked said, it's not ruined, but it's definitely losing it's way. I mean what ever happened to Saturday 3 o'clock?

    But I still love it though and always will.
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:43 am

    Definately at the top end. Sky has killed football for the working class supporters, the football even sometimes helped them getting through the week having something to look forward to.
    The game has moved away from a working class event and is now in the grasps of day-trippers and corporate ticket holders who don't really have the passion the working-class bloke has.

    It does make me feel lucky i guess watching a League 2 club, we haven't been priced out of football. Although things are getting expensive down here. This weekend if i wanted to watch Hereford Away at Gillingham the match ticket would cost £23 and the cost of travel is over £25, nearly £50 to watch League 2 football without food and drinks in the pub included has put alot of working class people (like me) off watching our clubs away from home now and then.

    Sky is hated alot down here in the basement divisions we are stuggling for fans, trying to make ends meet. You look in the pubs around the city and there are more people there in their shirts from JJB's watching sky sports than who are actually at the football ground, supporting the city/town's club.

    One last gripe from me about sky is they have degraded the lower league supporter. You would meet people and they ask who you support and the answer is Hereford United, they find it funny or procede to ask "who your proper club is". Go back to before sky sports was blasting out premiership football everywhere and you would find people wouldn't bat an eyelid at you supporting your local team but sky has brought in a sense of attatchment for people to clubs they shouldn't have an attatchment to but now have developed due to the fact you can sit on your ass and watch top class football and not have make the trip to your local football team, who are the one who really need the support of the city.

    Can't be bothered to type more because of the time but this is a subject that gets alot of people frustrated.
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    Post by El_indian Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:46 am

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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:49 am

    polska. wrote:Maybe in England.

    Go to Germany for a prime example of a working system. Sky did screw lots of things up though admittedly.

    Well yeah you just said it, Germany has a controlled commercial system.. they do everything right Dry Smile
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:49 am

    Radford11 wrote:Definately at the top end. Sky has killed football for the working class supporters, the football even sometimes helped them getting through the week having something to look forward to.
    The game has moved away from a working class event and is now in the grasps of day-trippers and corporate ticket holders who don't really have the passion the working-class bloke has.

    It does make me feel lucky i guess watching a League 2 club, we haven't been priced out of football. Although things are getting expensive down here. This weekend if i wanted to watch Hereford Away at Gillingham the match ticket would cost £23 and the cost of travel is over £25, nearly £50 to watch League 2 football without food and drinks in the pub included has put alot of working class people (like me) off watching our clubs away from home now and then.

    Sky is hated alot down here in the basement divisions we are stuggling for fans, trying to make ends meet. You look in the pubs around the city and there are more people there in their shirts from JJB's watching sky sports than who are actually at the football ground, supporting the city/town's club.

    One last gripe from me about sky is they have degraded the lower league supporter. You would meet people and they ask who you support and the answer is Hereford United, they find it funny or procede to ask "who your proper club is". Go back to before sky sports was blasting out premiership football everywhere and you would find people wouldn't bat an eyelid at you supporting your local team but sky has brought in a sense of attatchment for people to clubs they shouldn't have an attatchment to but now have developed due to the fact you can sit on your ass and watch top class football and not have make the trip to your local football team, who are the one who really need the support of the city.

    Can't be bothered to type more because of the time but this is a subject that gets alot of people frustrated.
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:50 am

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    polska. wrote:Maybe in England.

    Go to Germany for a prime example of a working system. Sky did screw lots of things up though admittedly.

    Well yeah you just said it, Germany has a controlled commercial system.. they do everything right Dry Smile
    Foreigners can only own 49% of the club too or something like that.
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    Post by El_indian Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:51 am

    There is another side to the argument..that is, without the commercialization, you wouldn't have this massive worldwide industry...many of you (including myself) may never have begun watching footy.
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:53 am

    El_indian wrote:There is another side to the argument..that is, without the commercialization, you wouldn't have this massive worldwide industry...many of you (including myself) may never have begun watching footy.
    I don't think having the game available on the tele is all that bad.

    I mean people see the game on the tele and they all wish they could be there, and they would be too if it was affordable.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:54 am

    El_indian wrote:There is another side to the argument..that is, without the commercialization, you wouldn't have this massive worldwide industry...many of you (including myself) may never have begun watching footy.

    But think of it this way, if you weren't somehow interested in football you would be interested in something else such as cricket no? Cricket has been in India for ages and despite having a large interest in football people still become more interested in it because it's part of the culture. Yes you're right but it would have reached you to a limited extent where you'd probably be focusing on the clubs you have domestically
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:59 am

    Anyway, an idea of mine that probably has too many flaws to ever work is...

    Once the Sky contract is over, the FA launch it's own independent broadcast where 95%(or something) of the profits are spread along the premier league clubs, or so the basic idea is.

    Probably something obvious I haven't though about that would keep this from ever becoming reality though. Dunno, i'm tired and hungry. Neutral
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:00 am

    polska. wrote:
    El_indian wrote:There is another side to the argument..that is, without the commercialization, you wouldn't have this massive worldwide industry...many of you (including myself) may never have begun watching footy.
    I don't think having the game available on the tele is all that bad.

    I mean people see the game on the tele and they all wish they could be there, and they would be too if it was affordable.

    They wish they could be there, the reason for this is because it's on TV. If it wasn't on TV they would be at a football match already.

    High Sky contribution to the Prem = High player wage demands

    Higher player wage demands + tourism factor due to football being shown on sky generating higher demand = High ticket prices

    Obviously a simplified version but you get the idea.



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    Post by El_indian Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:01 am

    TBH I got bored of rugby and cricket before I even liked footy
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    Post by El_indian Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:04 am

    polska. wrote:Anyway, an idea of mine that probably has too many flaws to ever work is...

    Once the Sky contract is over, the FA launch it's own independent broadcast where 95%(or something) of the profits are spread along the premier league clubs, or so the basic idea is.

    Probably something obvious I haven't though about that would keep this from ever becoming reality though. Dunno, i'm tired and hungry. Neutral

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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:04 am

    El_indian wrote:TBH I got bored of rugby and cricket before I even liked footy

    Would you say the only reason you support Liverpool is because of Sky? Or was you born in England and migrated?

    I don't mean to sound harsh but people in Australia/New Zealand should be supporting and funding their own national club teams. Another example of Sky ruining local football.
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:05 am

    El_indian wrote:
    polska. wrote:Anyway, an idea of mine that probably has too many flaws to ever work is...

    Once the Sky contract is over, the FA launch it's own independent broadcast where 95%(or something) of the profits are spread along the premier league clubs, or so the basic idea is.

    Probably something obvious I haven't though about that would keep this from ever becoming reality though. Dunno, i'm tired and hungry. Neutral

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    No I realize it'll never happen as long as the FA are greedy (corrupt?)cunts. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:07 am

    polska. wrote:
    El_indian wrote:
    polska. wrote:Anyway, an idea of mine that probably has too many flaws to ever work is...

    Once the Sky contract is over, the FA launch it's own independent broadcast where 95%(or something) of the profits are spread along the premier league clubs, or so the basic idea is.

    Probably something obvious I haven't though about that would keep this from ever becoming reality though. Dunno, i'm tired and hungry. Neutral

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    No I realize it'll never happen as long as the FA are greedy (corrupt?)cunts. Laughing

    Money has spiralled out of reality now, the only way it will change is when it all collapses. Neutral
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    Post by El_indian Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:09 am

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    El_indian wrote:TBH I got bored of rugby and cricket before I even liked footy

    Would you say the only reason you support Liverpool is because of Sky? Or was you born in England and migrated?

    I don't mean to sound harsh but people in Australia/New Zealand should be supporting and funding their own national club teams. Another example of Sky ruining local football.

    TBH my love of Liverpool started with a game of FIFA back in the day Laughing

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    dont support local clubs cause it's fucking boring Coffee

    call me plastic

    edit: It's all about rugby here, cricket second, footy falls back...without commercialization I would never have liked footy...used to think it was fucking boring - just played the games.

    But believe me If I was in your situation I would have the same opinions..I hate money


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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:12 am

    El_indian wrote:TBH I got bored of rugby and cricket before I even liked footy

    Put it this way, people have been limited through cultures and times with entertainment... that doesn't mean that the entertainment they had didn't give them the same emotions football would give today. I'm sure throwing rocks was exhilarating in cave men times Laughing

    Basically out of that bullshit I'm saying you'd be interested to the same extent as football in either of those sports if you hadn't heard of football before
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:15 am

    El_indian wrote:
    Radford11 wrote:
    El_indian wrote:TBH I got bored of rugby and cricket before I even liked footy

    Would you say the only reason you support Liverpool is because of Sky? Or was you born in England and migrated?

    I don't mean to sound harsh but people in Australia/New Zealand should be supporting and funding their own national club teams. Another example of Sky ruining local football.

    TBH my love of Liverpool started with a game of FIFA back in the day Laughing

    pretty bad I know red card

    dont support local clubs cause it's fucking boring Coffee

    call me plastic

    edit: It's all about rugby here, cricket second, footy falls back.

    That bit is what is annoying. If the Premiership wasn't so commercialised then you would be forced into local clubs like thousands of other people.
    The benefit would be immense, with clubs being able to develop their facilities greater and encourage better talent to join. The league would enjoy a better standard of football eventually and the atmosphere would be more exciting due to a belonging watching your local team with thousands of others take on another team.
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    Post by El_indian Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:16 am

    @ Fonseca hmmm possibly, but in comparison footballing emotions are on another level
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    Post by El_indian Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:21 am

    Radford11 wrote:
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    El_indian wrote:TBH I got bored of rugby and cricket before I even liked footy

    Would you say the only reason you support Liverpool is because of Sky? Or was you born in England and migrated?

    I don't mean to sound harsh but people in Australia/New Zealand should be supporting and funding their own national club teams. Another example of Sky ruining local football.

    TBH my love of Liverpool started with a game of FIFA back in the day Laughing

    pretty bad I know red card

    dont support local clubs cause it's fucking boring Coffee

    call me plastic

    edit: It's all about rugby here, cricket second, footy falls back.

    That bit is what is annoying. If the Premiership wasn't so commercialised then you would be forced into local clubs like thousands of other people.
    The benefit would be immense, with clubs being able to develop their facilities greater and encourage better talent to join. The league would enjoy a better standard of football eventually and the atmosphere would be more exciting due to a belonging watching your local team with thousands of others take on another team.

    true true but on the other hand without commercialization football would never have developed in NZ.

    The A-league was actually only started a few years ago.

    I would barely know what football is...seriously you should see Rugby fans here who go to the big All Whites games, It's a good laugh for somebody like me who regularly watches footy....they have absolutely no idea how to support the game - they boo tackles Laughing...there may be an amazing long ball but there would be an awkward silence in the stadium because they all think it's your average run of the mill pass Laughing


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    El_indian wrote:
    Radford11 wrote:
    El_indian wrote:
    Radford11 wrote:
    El_indian wrote:TBH I got bored of rugby and cricket before I even liked footy

    Would you say the only reason you support Liverpool is because of Sky? Or was you born in England and migrated?

    I don't mean to sound harsh but people in Australia/New Zealand should be supporting and funding their own national club teams. Another example of Sky ruining local football.

    TBH my love of Liverpool started with a game of FIFA back in the day Laughing

    pretty bad I know red card

    dont support local clubs cause it's fucking boring Coffee

    call me plastic

    edit: It's all about rugby here, cricket second, footy falls back.

    That bit is what is annoying. If the Premiership wasn't so commercialised then you would be forced into local clubs like thousands of other people.
    The benefit would be immense, with clubs being able to develop their facilities greater and encourage better talent to join. The league would enjoy a better standard of football eventually and the atmosphere would be more exciting due to a belonging watching your local team with thousands of others take on another team.

    true true but on the other hand without commercialization football would never have developed in NZ.

    The A-league was actually only started a few years ago.

    I would barely know what football is...seriously you should see Rugby fans here who go to the big All Whites games, It's a good laugh for somebody like me who regularly watches footy....they have absolutely no idea how to support the game - they boo tackles Laughing...there may be an amazing long ball but there would be an awkward silence in the stadium cause they all think it's normal Laughing

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    Post by El_indian Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:26 am

    they boo interceptions rofl
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:30 am

    El_indian wrote:they boo interceptions rofl

    Laughing wtf
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