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    Post by Guest Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:29 am

    Pubs in Hull used to get them from other countries till they got told to stop. Literally every pub did it.
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    Post by Walcott Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:33 am

    It could work 2 ways for Clubs.
    -Reducing the ticket prices, filling their stadium and selling more tickets.
    -Putting the tickets prices up because more people arn't going to the games anymore, which could/would reduce people going because they can't afford it.

    Im hoping Arsenal reduce their ticket prices once the debt is cleared. By then, I should have a job and ill be able to go more often. European court advocate general approves of pubs using...... - Page 2 839548 £52/£54 or whatever it was, is ridiculous for upper tier in the clock end. European court advocate general approves of pubs using...... - Page 2 586698
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    Post by Scuba Steve Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:32 pm

    James ♠ wrote:
    Cornholio wrote:
    James ♠ wrote:Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.


    Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.

    Why is European Satellite companies going to affect smaller clubs attendances?

    You think people in Greece are paying to watch Hull on TV?


    Lower league fans will end up stop going to games and just watch at home or at the pub where they can watch higher quality football for cheaper then what they can watch their local team for.

    Then they are just poor fans. I wouldn't want those type of people supporting my club.
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    Post by Guest Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:55 pm

    Scuba Steve wrote:
    James ♠ wrote:
    Cornholio wrote:
    James ♠ wrote:Less people going will hit the smaller clubs straight away. Sure the prices may cheapen in the future but the immediate effect will be devastating for the small clubs.


    Blame the big clubs for putting prices up, that is their fault for being greedy.

    Why is European Satellite companies going to affect smaller clubs attendances?

    You think people in Greece are paying to watch Hull on TV?


    Lower league fans will end up stop going to games and just watch at home or at the pub where they can watch higher quality football for cheaper then what they can watch their local team for.

    Then they are just poor fans. I wouldn't want those type of people supporting my club.

    I'd prefer to have them coming to the games if it meant the club wouldn't go bust. I'm pretty sure alot of lower league clubs will have that same opinion.
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    Post by Scuba Steve Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:48 am

    If a person is that willing to just stop going to the games, then they really aren't true supporters.
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    Post by Guest Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:53 am

    £20 to just get into a stadium

    or

    Go to the pub and watch a game for free



    This isn't about whether they are true supporters or not Steve. This is about whether theres rules will hurt smaller clubs. And of course they will if people can watch a Premier League game for free in a pub rather than pay £20 to watch bad quality football in a freezing empty stadium.
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    Post by Scuba Steve Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:05 am

    How many League 2 games are even shown on tv in other places so that they could be stream at bars in England? Can't be too many I imagine.

    And like I said, if they are actual supporters of the club, then they'll go to the game instead of watching it at a pub. Otherwise,they aren't real supporters. Simples.
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    Post by Guest Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:13 am

    You are missing the point. Whether they are real supporters or not, they would go to the game if there was no other way to watch football other than to go and attend games.
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    Post by CollieBuddz Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:41 am


    Pubs v Premier League





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    David Bond | 14:17 UK time, Monday, 3 October 2011











    In the 19 years since the formation of the Premier League, the
    value of the competition's television rights has gone from £304m to a
    staggering £3.2bn.


    It is one of the country's most successful exports and whenever Prime
    Minister David Cameron goes on trade missions abroad, as he did to
    Russia last month; he often takes chief executive Richard Scudamore with
    him as an example of a thriving British business.


    And yet on Tuesday the European Court of Justice (ECJ) will deliver a
    ruling which could deal the League and its lucrative TV rights model a
    major blow.


    Unlikely though it might seem, the case all centres on a Portsmouth
    pub, the Red, White and Blue, and its landlady, Karen Murphy. She was
    fined back in 2006 for showing her customers live Premier League matches
    accessed via a Greek service and an illegal decoder.





    Mrs Murphy spoke to 5 live Investigates presenter Adrian Goldberg about the forthcoming decision


    The Premier League states UK citizens should only be able to
    watch live matches through Sky and, to a lesser extent, ESPN. For pubs
    the cost of screening matches is high, making it attractive for them to
    look for cheaper alternatives.


    Mrs Murphy appealed against the decision saying that the European
    Union's laws on the free movement of trade and services inside the
    single market meant she should be entitled to buy her live football from
    any European country she should choose.


    In March, a non-binding opinion from the ECJ's advocate general
    Juliane Kokot seemed to back her argument. Kokot stated that
    broadcasters cannot stop customers using cheaper foreign satellite TV
    services.


    There is no guarantee that the court will follow that opinion
    tomorrow. But even senior Premier League sources admit it is unlikely
    that it will go against it.


    So what does this potentially mean to the League and Sky, whose business model is so reliant on live top flight football?


    The first thing to say is that tomorrow's decision is unlikely to be
    clear cut. Although the Kokot advice was interpreted as a potential
    setback for the League's case, the League argues it was much more
    complicated than that.


    And even if the court delivers a clear judgment, it is only guidance
    for the UK High Court, which must then decide whether to rubber stamp
    its findings.


    The next point to make is that the impact on the League's rights in
    Europe is likely to be negligible. Of the £1.4bn it earns from selling
    its rights abroad, just £130m, less than 10 per cent, comes from Europe.


    The big problem is a free for all in the UK market could seriously
    damage Sky's exclusivity for which it pays £1.8bn over the three years
    2010-2013. Why would Sky continue to pay that money - money which
    underpins clubs' vast spending on players' wages and salaries every year
    - if foreign broadcasters are given the freedom to undercut them.


    In response to such a verdict Sky might feel the need to lower their
    prices and therefore pay less to the League for its rights. That could
    have a massive knock-on effect on clubs who are already stretched.


    However the League and its principal adviser on TV rights David Kogan
    have become adept at hurdling obstacles put in their path by
    regulators.


    In the event of a ruling which backs Mrs Murphy's appeal, the League
    is likely to create one Europe-wide live TV rights package which Sky or
    another pan-European broadcaster could buy for the same sort of money
    Sky currently pay, if not more. They could then either show it on the
    continent themselves or sub licence to foreign TV companies.


    The League, which wants to start its latest auction for the 2013-2016
    package before the end of the season, is therefore confident that
    whatever the outcome tomorrow, its business model will continue to
    thrive.


    But the impact on smaller sports could be significant as the markets
    for their rights will shrink. And the effect on other creative sectors
    like the film industry, which also sells exclusive content territory by
    territory, could be devastating.


    Looking a bit further ahead the much bigger danger for football,
    indeed all sports, is the rapid blurring of the lines between
    distribution and access to live sport.


    Rights holders used to be able to sell rights platform by platform -
    TV, radio, online, mobile and so on. But it's already difficult to tell
    the difference between a traditional TV and an iPad.


    That will only become more blurred in the future and in response it
    has become necessary for rights holders to develop time sensitive
    packages with media companies now bidding for live, near live,
    highlights and archive rights.


    For the Premier League and other big rights holders protecting those
    in the face of illegal streaming of matches from pirate websites is a
    far bigger threat than the ECJ's ruling tomorrow.

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