Rooney is out of this world

polska is largely bercause of season in last season

ferguson made him out and out striker that just scoring tap ins and penalties

he has more time in penalty box whereas other season if he played as wide player or shadow striker he ran around like headless chicken chasing loose balls. this gave english people illusion that he is awesome. so once he started scoring more frequently also, the cumfest was going through the roof

those idiot in sky sport last season saying he was better than messi and that messi cannot do what rooney does because hes to small for epl just make me laugh. if the producers of sky sports having any sense they should sack all of them for misleading enlish public to beleive that rubbishs

in truth rooney has stamina and physique comparable to tevez for sure

but technically he on par with player like darren bent and mamadou niang. he is absolute trash

Exactly.

I never wanted to post my opinions of Rooney on here though, because I know i'd get abused by the English on here. But i'm happy it's all out now.

What kind of Rooney bashing is this? Rooney the one that scored 30+ goals last season without "help" from Ronaldo and Tevez..The same Rooney that almost won the golden boot? the same Rooney that carried a whole Man Utd past "big defenses" like Milan...

I usually support your posts (Polska, Mauro and iPepe) because you guys are one of the people that actually watch other league and shit and know whats going on but this Rooney thing is ridiculous.

How can you say he is a mediocre player? mediocre players do not start week in week out for Manchester United let alone score 30+ in a season. Wayne Rooney is up there with the world's best strikers whether you like it or not..he's been in very huge slump of form and that shouldn't make him a shit player...where were all these kind of posts about him last season?

I have to say, in the WC Rooney was bad but why? even Villa wouldn't perform as good as he did with Spain if he wasn't playing for a bad England team. If Rooney was playing at one of the better (midfield) nations he would have excelled. Him having one bad tournament doesn't mean he's found out or whatever.

As for his technical abilities...that's just ignorant Mauro, Rooney has great ability on the ball so I don't understand what you mean by that.

For me, Rooney is a world class striker....simple.

watching rooney miscontrol simple pass and fail to be inventive around the box is not ignorant of his ability. it is call accepting that he is not as good as some belief

he does not even have half ability of play such as tevez, drogba, torres, anelka,rvp etc and this is just in epl

his poor play in world cup was not surprise. it all starting all over the pitch. all those players lacking inventiveness, intuition and simply ball skill to being effective. unlike ibrahimovic or vucinic who play international football for similar stand nation in term of tehcnique they are still able to showing that classy touch and ability. rooney is to predictable. his skill set is tiny for such a 'world class' player

mauro wrote:watching rooney miscontrol simple pass and fail to be inventive around the box is not ignorant of his ability. it is call accepting that he is not as good as some belief

he does not even have half ability of play such as tevez, drogba, torres, anelka,rvp etc and this is just in epl

his poor play in world cup was not surprise. it all starting all over the pitch. all those players lacking inventiveness, intuition and simply ball skill to being effective. unlike ibrahimovic or vucinic who play international football for similar stand nation in term of tehcnique they are still able to showing that classy touch and ability. rooney is to predictable. his skill set is tiny for such a 'world class' player

Adding to that, Rooney is very small. Easy to dominate in the air.

As for the English National Team, I don't blame Rooney for that. I blame Capello. Rooney had no chance to even show himself off at the WC IMO.

But I think you are misunderstanding me and Mauro, we are not calling Rooney a bad player. He is still a very good striker, just that he is overrated.

edit: Also, too be fair, Darren Bent would be a 30goal a season striker if he played regularly at United as well.

mauro wrote:watching rooney miscontrol simple pass and fail to be inventive around the box is not ignorant of his ability. it is call accepting that he is not as good as some belief

he does not even have half ability of play such as tevez, drogba, torres, anelka,rvp etc and this is just in epl

his poor play in world cup was not surprise. it all starting all over the pitch. all those players lacking inventiveness, intuition and simply ball skill to being effective. unlike ibrahimovic or vucinic who play international football for similar stand nation in term of tehcnique they are still able to showing that classy touch and ability. rooney is to predictable. his skill set is tiny for such a 'world class' player

You make it sound like skills is the only attribute to get to the top level, if Rooney was so bad technically...defenders should have found it easy to stop him right? What happened against Milan?

Robin Van Persie, Anelka, Tevez, Drogba and Torres might all have techical skills above Rooney but where were they at the World Cup? they all did absolutely nothing.

(polskaGOLA) wrote:

mauro wrote:watching rooney miscontrol simple pass and fail to be inventive around the box is not ignorant of his ability. it is call accepting that he is not as good as some belief

he does not even have half ability of play such as tevez, drogba, torres, anelka,rvp etc and this is just in epl

his poor play in world cup was not surprise. it all starting all over the pitch. all those players lacking inventiveness, intuition and simply ball skill to being effective. unlike ibrahimovic or vucinic who play international football for similar stand nation in term of tehcnique they are still able to showing that classy touch and ability. rooney is to predictable. his skill set is tiny for such a 'world class' player

Adding to that, Rooney is very small. Easy to dominate in the air.

As for the English National Team, I don't blame Rooney for that. I blame Capello. Rooney had no chance to even show himself off at the WC IMO.

But I think you are misunderstanding me and Mauro, we are not calling Rooney a bad player. He is still a very good striker, just that he is overrated.

edit: Also, too be fair, Darren Bent would be a 30goal a season striker if he played regularly at United as well.

Ok, playing at Utd doesn't mean you will score 30..what kind of analogy is that? why didn't Berbatov, Saha, Forlan etc all score 30 a season?

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:watching rooney miscontrol simple pass and fail to be inventive around the box is not ignorant of his ability. it is call accepting that he is not as good as some belief

he does not even have half ability of play such as tevez, drogba, torres, anelka,rvp etc and this is just in epl

his poor play in world cup was not surprise. it all starting all over the pitch. all those players lacking inventiveness, intuition and simply ball skill to being effective. unlike ibrahimovic or vucinic who play international football for similar stand nation in term of tehcnique they are still able to showing that classy touch and ability. rooney is to predictable. his skill set is tiny for such a 'world class' player

You make it sound like skills is the only attribute to get to the top level, if Rooney was so bad technically...defenders should have found it easy to stop him right? What happened against Milan?

Robin Van Persie, Anelka, Tevez, Drogba and Torres might all have techical skills above Rooney but where were they at the World Cup? they all did absolutely nothing.

of course technique matters

it is most impoortant facet of football

without technique u cannot achieve anything

every player has technique, rooney has technique also. is difference is that his technique is extremely mediocre. rooney epitomizes english football as a whole. very good athletic players with limited football brain and poor football technique. this is why brasil, italia, germany and so many others have founding continued success when surrounded by their own nationality unlike england

mauro wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:watching rooney miscontrol simple pass and fail to be inventive around the box is not ignorant of his ability. it is call accepting that he is not as good as some belief

he does not even have half ability of play such as tevez, drogba, torres, anelka,rvp etc and this is just in epl

his poor play in world cup was not surprise. it all starting all over the pitch. all those players lacking inventiveness, intuition and simply ball skill to being effective. unlike ibrahimovic or vucinic who play international football for similar stand nation in term of tehcnique they are still able to showing that classy touch and ability. rooney is to predictable. his skill set is tiny for such a 'world class' player

You make it sound like skills is the only attribute to get to the top level, if Rooney was so bad technically...defenders should have found it easy to stop him right? What happened against Milan?

Robin Van Persie, Anelka, Tevez, Drogba and Torres might all have techical skills above Rooney but where were they at the World Cup? they all did absolutely nothing.

of course technique matters

it is most impoortant facet of football

without technique u cannot achieve anything

every player has technique, rooney has technique also. is difference is that his technique is extremely mediocre. rooney epitomizes english football as a whole. very good athletic players with limited football brain and poor football technique. this is why brasil, italia, germany and so many others have founding continued success when surrounded by their own nationality unlike england

I think Rooney is one of most or the most techically gifted striker from England...but am asking you how come the players with great skills didn't show up in the world cup? I 100% understand that technique is the most important part of football, but Rooney combines his so called "limited" abilities with drive and power which makes him a wonderful player.

I don't know what direction this is heading but you guys are making it sound like Rooney can't take the ball and beat a defenders....because obviously he can and has done many times.

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:watching rooney miscontrol simple pass and fail to be inventive around the box is not ignorant of his ability. it is call accepting that he is not as good as some belief

he does not even have half ability of play such as tevez, drogba, torres, anelka,rvp etc and this is just in epl

his poor play in world cup was not surprise. it all starting all over the pitch. all those players lacking inventiveness, intuition and simply ball skill to being effective. unlike ibrahimovic or vucinic who play international football for similar stand nation in term of tehcnique they are still able to showing that classy touch and ability. rooney is to predictable. his skill set is tiny for such a 'world class' player

You make it sound like skills is the only attribute to get to the top level, if Rooney was so bad technically...defenders should have found it easy to stop him right? What happened against Milan?

Robin Van Persie, Anelka, Tevez, Drogba and Torres might all have techical skills above Rooney but where were they at the World Cup? they all did absolutely nothing.

of course technique matters

it is most impoortant facet of football

without technique u cannot achieve anything

every player has technique, rooney has technique also. is difference is that his technique is extremely mediocre. rooney epitomizes english football as a whole. very good athletic players with limited football brain and poor football technique. this is why brasil, italia, germany and so many others have founding continued success when surrounded by their own nationality unlike england

I think Rooney is one of most or the most techically gifted striker from England...but am asking you how come the players with great skills didn't show up in the world cup? I 100% understand that technique is the most important part of football, but Rooney combines his so called "limited" abilities with drive and power which makes him a wonderful player.

I don't know what direction this is heading but you guys are making it sound like Rooney can't take the ball and beat a defenders....because obviously he can and has done many times.

being one of most technically gift strikers from england is not much of a title

u saying david villa not show up in world cup? forlan?

beat players?i have not seen him do this consistently since euro 2004. if u mean beat as in, kick ball 20 metres behind defender and chase it, then maybe

mauro wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:watching rooney miscontrol simple pass and fail to be inventive around the box is not ignorant of his ability. it is call accepting that he is not as good as some belief

he does not even have half ability of play such as tevez, drogba, torres, anelka,rvp etc and this is just in epl

his poor play in world cup was not surprise. it all starting all over the pitch. all those players lacking inventiveness, intuition and simply ball skill to being effective. unlike ibrahimovic or vucinic who play international football for similar stand nation in term of tehcnique they are still able to showing that classy touch and ability. rooney is to predictable. his skill set is tiny for such a 'world class' player

You make it sound like skills is the only attribute to get to the top level, if Rooney was so bad technically...defenders should have found it easy to stop him right? What happened against Milan?

Robin Van Persie, Anelka, Tevez, Drogba and Torres might all have techical skills above Rooney but where were they at the World Cup? they all did absolutely nothing.

of course technique matters

it is most impoortant facet of football

without technique u cannot achieve anything

every player has technique, rooney has technique also. is difference is that his technique is extremely mediocre. rooney epitomizes english football as a whole. very good athletic players with limited football brain and poor football technique. this is why brasil, italia, germany and so many others have founding continued success when surrounded by their own nationality unlike england

I think Rooney is one of most or the most techically gifted striker from England...but am asking you how come the players with great skills didn't show up in the world cup? I 100% understand that technique is the most important part of football, but Rooney combines his so called "limited" abilities with drive and power which makes him a wonderful player.

I don't know what direction this is heading but you guys are making it sound like Rooney can't take the ball and beat a defenders....because obviously he can and has done many times.

being one of most technically gift strikers from england is not much of a title

u saying david villa not show up in world cup? forlan?

beat players?i have not seen him do this consistently since euro 2004. if u mean beat as in, kick ball 20 metres behind defender and chase it, then maybe

I'm talking about the EPL strikers you listed as being technically great but they didn't show nothing during the world cup.

I mean as if taking on defenders (usually from the left wing) and beating his man. During the 08/09 season was a prime example of a season where Rooney usually beat defenders because of the position he was playing in.

But what has Torres have that Rooney doesn't?

What a bunch of cunts in this thread.

chiboygeorge wrote:
But what has Torres have that Rooney doesn't?

are u serious?

hahahaha

how about, first touch, dribbling skills, shooting from variety of areas, very good weak foot along with athletic physique and pace

rooney : physique pace....umm, thats about it

Torres wouldn't lie about leaving just for a pay rise.

mauro wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:
But what has Torres have that Rooney doesn't?

are u serious?

hahahaha

how about, first touch, dribbling skills, shooting from variety of areas, very good weak foot along with athletic physique and pace

rooney : physique pace....umm, thats about it

Rooney can't shoot from variety of areas? or no first touch? (that first touch one was simply ignorant.) Anyone who has been watching Rooney know his first touch is super. I will give the dribbling to Fernando but where did all his skills and ability go last season in the world cup and this season?

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:
But what has Torres have that Rooney doesn't?

are u serious?

hahahaha

how about, first touch, dribbling skills, shooting from variety of areas, very good weak foot along with athletic physique and pace

rooney : physique pace....umm, thats about it

Rooney can't shoot from variety of areas? or no first touch? (that first touch one was simply ignorant.) Anyone who has been watching Rooney know his first touch is super. I will give the dribbling to Fernando but where did all his skills and ability go last season in the world cup and this season?

Same can be said for Rooney this season and during the WC.

Sorry but I can't stand Shrek so I'm probably biased.

Mate, he lost it for the World Cup, and the start of this season his mind was all over the place and he was physically out of shape, since he sorted his fitness out he's played really well, even v Arsenal last night, he done a really good job as a lone striker but everyone will remember his bad patch so now he's rubbish, and it doesn't help that he's English and we've got Polska talking about him, there's no point in arguing for him because they just don't like him, and never will.

Torresxvilla wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:

chiboygeorge wrote:
But what has Torres have that Rooney doesn't?

are u serious?

hahahaha

how about, first touch, dribbling skills, shooting from variety of areas, very good weak foot along with athletic physique and pace

rooney : physique pace....umm, thats about it

Rooney can't shoot from variety of areas? or no first touch? (that first touch one was simply ignorant.) Anyone who has been watching Rooney know his first touch is super. I will give the dribbling to Fernando but where did all his skills and ability go last season in the world cup and this season?

Same can be said for Rooney this season and during the WC.

Sorry but I can't stand Shrek so I'm probably biased.

But he's listing all these world class players with skill, and I'm trying to ask him where did all those skills go? Just because he's better technically doesn't mean he all that or just because Rooney isn't as technical means he's mediocre.

kyro7 wrote:Mate, he lost it for the World Cup, and the start of this season his mind was all over the place and he was physically out of shape, since he sorted his fitness out he's played really well, even v Arsenal last night, he done a really good job as a lone striker but everyone will remember his bad patch so now he's rubbish, and it doesn't help that he's English and we've got Polska talking about him, there's no point in arguing for him because they just don't like him, and never will.

TBH I've never liked him, despite his rough patch.

Always thought he was overrated.

Well it's just my opinion.

Torresxvilla wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Mate, he lost it for the World Cup, and the start of this season his mind was all over the place and he was physically out of shape, since he sorted his fitness out he's played really well, even v Arsenal last night, he done a really good job as a lone striker but everyone will remember his bad patch so now he's rubbish, and it doesn't help that he's English and we've got Polska talking about him, there's no point in arguing for him because they just don't like him, and never will.

TBH I've never liked him, despite his rough patch.

Always thought he was overrated.

Well it's just my opinion.

Then is Torres overrated as well?

chiboygeorge wrote:Then is Torres overrated as well?

Don't be silly, he's Spanish how can he be overrated?

He's underrated.

u act like i only say these things since recently?

i have never rate rooney. amazing how u can say he has great first touch when it continualy let him down

player like drogba, ibrahimovic, torres can make something out of impossible situation

rooney is mr predictable, he cannot win a game on a whim like those others can withh piece of brilliance

for sure torres was suck last season many things can be blamed by this but his form prior is far superior to anything rooney has ever achieved. is amazing 30 tap ins and penalties suddenly turned him into a mass media hype machine

Rooney is a all round player than he is a striker imo.

His creativity, tracking back and generally things not associated with being a lone striker is really good.

I do think that Rooney is slightly overrated by the English media and English fans in general but he is still a quality striker. You don't score the goals he scored last season and other years, have a few bad months then become a terrible player, he will be back and you lot will be singing his praises again.

chiboygeorge wrote:

Torresxvilla wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Mate, he lost it for the World Cup, and the start of this season his mind was all over the place and he was physically out of shape, since he sorted his fitness out he's played really well, even v Arsenal last night, he done a really good job as a lone striker but everyone will remember his bad patch so now he's rubbish, and it doesn't help that he's English and we've got Polska talking about him, there's no point in arguing for him because they just don't like him, and never will.

TBH I've never liked him, despite his rough patch.

Always thought he was overrated.

Well it's just my opinion.

Then is Torres overrated as well?

No.

Guess it has to do with more than the player ability...aspects that I make me like a player include respect, dedication etc...

Aaron wrote:I do think that Rooney is slightly overrated by the English media and English fans in general but he is still a quality striker. You don't score the goals he scored last season and other years, have a few bad months then become a terrible player, he will be back and you lot will be singing his praises again.

I'd even agree with that.

mauro wrote:u act like i only say these things since recently?

i have never rate rooney. amazing how u can say he has great first touch when it continualy let him down

player like drogba, ibrahimovic, torres can make something out of impossible situation

rooney is mr predictable, he cannot win a game on a whim like those others can withh piece of brilliance

for sure torres was suck last season many things can be blamed by this but his form prior is far superior to anything rooney has ever achieved. is amazing 30 tap ins and penalties suddenly turned him into a mass media hype machine

now this is total shit. 30 tap ins and penalties?

Rooney is predictable yet he still scores goals....

He can't win a game with a piece of brilliance? Okay Rooney might not be as techically sound as Ibra & co. but why does that make him a mediocre player?

Torres form still can't win anything for Liverpool, but Rooney's can for Utd...I know which one I'd prefer in a team.

I bet Polska was one of those people saying we're a one man team, and Rooney took us to one point off the top on his own, but then said he's shite.

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:u act like i only say these things since recently?

i have never rate rooney. amazing how u can say he has great first touch when it continualy let him down

player like drogba, ibrahimovic, torres can make something out of impossible situation

rooney is mr predictable, he cannot win a game on a whim like those others can withh piece of brilliance

for sure torres was suck last season many things can be blamed by this but his form prior is far superior to anything rooney has ever achieved. is amazing 30 tap ins and penalties suddenly turned him into a mass media hype machine

now this is total shit. 30 tap ins and penalties?

Rooney is predictable yet he still scores goals....

He can't win a game with a piece of brilliance? Okay Rooney might not be as techically sound as Ibra & co. but why does that make him a mediocre player?

Torres form still can't win anything for Liverpool, but Rooney's can for Utd...I know which one I'd prefer in a team.

u seriously try to compare a club like liverpool with man u? might as well compare fiorentina with internazionale

torres could be maradona if he wanted to, still would not make liverpool a better team than man u

and yes 30 tap in and penalties

chiboygeorge wrote:

mauro wrote:u act like i only say these things since recently?

i have never rate rooney. amazing how u can say he has great first touch when it continualy let him down

player like drogba, ibrahimovic, torres can make something out of impossible situation

rooney is mr predictable, he cannot win a game on a whim like those others can withh piece of brilliance

for sure torres was suck last season many things can be blamed by this but his form prior is far superior to anything rooney has ever achieved. is amazing 30 tap ins and penalties suddenly turned him into a mass media hype machine

now this is total shit. 30 tap ins and penalties?

Rooney is predictable yet he still scores goals....

He can't win a game with a piece of brilliance? Okay Rooney might not be as techically sound as Ibra & co. but why does that make him a mediocre player?

Torres form still can't win anything for Liverpool, but Rooney's can for Utd...I know which one I'd prefer in a team.

This one?