Champions League - First Knock-out stage draw.

Tbh, after all that last night, wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't watch Barcelona

Nah' you're right Danny, you could clearly see from his posts last night he doesn't have a fucking clue about Barcelona and certainly doesn't watch them either.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:

HenryGale wrote:do you have a fetish for old ugly men?

lol why'd you change yours?

Danny B wrote:Tbh, after all that last night, wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't watch Barcelona

You'd be surprised....there's a lot for a young boy like you to learn

Dean wrote:Pedro still on the fringes eh Lux, see Barcelona's 5-1 victory tonight against Espanyol?

I don't watch EVERY Barcelona game I've got better things to do

Point still stands. If a new forward came in who was better than Pedro then Pedro would go out of the XI...not Villa/Messi/Iniesta.

If Torres came to Man Utd then Berbatov would be on the bench...even if he scored 5 against Rovers.

Luxz0rz wrote:

Danny B wrote:Tbh, after all that last night, wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't watch Barcelona

You'd be surprised....there's a lot for a young boy like you to learn

Considering the shit you were sprouting on Friday, there's a lot for you to learn

Luxz0rz wrote:

Danny B wrote:Tbh, after all that last night, wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't watch Barcelona

You'd be surprised....there's a lot for a young boy like you to learn

Dean wrote:Pedro still on the fringes eh Lux, see Barcelona's 5-1 victory tonight against Espanyol?

I don't watch EVERY Barcelona game I've got better things to do

Point still stands. If a new forward came in who was better than Pedro then Pedro would go out of the XI...not Villa/Messi/Iniesta.

If Torres came to Man Utd then Berbatov would be on the bench...even if he scored 5 against Rovers.

Absolute bullshit. Pedro is just as important to the team as Villa or Iniesta.

Luxz0rz wrote:

Danny B wrote:Tbh, after all that last night, wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't watch Barcelona

You'd be surprised....there's a lot for a young boy like you to learn

Dean wrote:Pedro still on the fringes eh Lux, see Barcelona's 5-1 victory tonight against Espanyol?

I don't watch EVERY Barcelona game I've got better things to do

Point still stands. If a new forward came in who was better than Pedro then Pedro would go out of the XI...not Villa/Messi/Iniesta.

If Torres came to Man Utd then Berbatov would be on the bench...even if he scored 5 against Rovers.

Doesn't he's a fucking "fringe player of the starting 11"

Luxz0rz wrote:

Danny B wrote:Tbh, after all that last night, wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't watch Barcelona

You'd be surprised....there's a lot for a young boy like you to learn

Dean wrote:Pedro still on the fringes eh Lux, see Barcelona's 5-1 victory tonight against Espanyol?

I don't watch EVERY Barcelona game I've got better things to do

Point still stands. If a new forward came in who was better than Pedro then Pedro would go out of the XI...not Villa/Messi/Iniesta.

If Torres came to Man Utd then Berbatov would be on the bench...even if he scored 5 against Rovers.

Doesn't that apply to every player then? Obviously if someone better comes along, they'll be replaced. Fuck me doesn't mean he's a fringe player. Fuckinell if Zidane joined Liverpool am sure Gerrard would give way his attacking midfield position, doesn't mean he's a fucking fringe player for Liverpool.

Infact we'll go one step further, Just because fucking Buzzlightyear came along in Toy Story, didn't mean Woody was a fringe toy does it?

Top class analogy there

I just watched Toy Story literally right before coming on.

What I got from Lux's arguments is that if a great new player came in, the manager would look to find space in the team and in his opinion Pedro would be first to make way. He is dispensable (form not withstanding) as opposed to the indispensable players like Messi Xavi Iniesta etc. Pedro is not part of the teams core and is far more subject to relegation to the bench than anyone else in the Barca attack.

I think what everyone else got caught up on is Lux's use of the word 'fringe' whilst trying to describe Pedro's place in the team; which was largely irrelevant to the point he was trying to make and the argument as a whole.




But anyways, there seems to be a lot of rematches from last seasons cups so it should make for interesting viewing.

It's not even true though. Villa and Iniesta's places would be just as much up for threat as Pedro after his performances in the past few seasons. You only have to look at Henry and Mascherano for two examples of how Guardiola isn't scared to bench top players.

The reality is if another top player was bought Pedro wouldn't suffer alone, it would be more like Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi and maybe Messi being rotated on a more regular basis.

Jamie wrote:It's not even true though. Villa and Iniesta's places would be just as much up for threat as Pedro after his performances in the past few seasons. You only have to look at Henry and Mascherano for two examples of how Guardiola isn't scared to bench top players.

The reality is if another top player was bought Pedro wouldn't suffer alone, it would be more like Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi and maybe Messi being rotated on a more regular basis.

That's bullshit man, Iniesta is an ever-present in that team and will be for many years to come. Villa, I'll give you that but if he gets anywhere near his top form then even you must be able to see that Pedro would be the first one to be benched. Or perhaps Messi would make way?

Jamie wrote:It's not even true though. Villa and Iniesta's places would be just as much up for threat as Pedro after his performances in the past few seasons. You only have to look at Henry and Mascherano for two examples of how Guardiola isn't scared to bench top players.

The reality is if another top player was bought Pedro wouldn't suffer alone, it would be more like Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi and maybe Messi being rotated on a more regular basis.

Who's gona replace Messi?

Maybe against shit teams he might stick somebody in because they dont actually need him but if you're Messi you want to play every game so you get that amazing record he has.

GeorgeL wrote:

Jamie wrote:It's not even true though. Villa and Iniesta's places would be just as much up for threat as Pedro after his performances in the past few seasons. You only have to look at Henry and Mascherano for two examples of how Guardiola isn't scared to bench top players.

The reality is if another top player was bought Pedro wouldn't suffer alone, it would be more like Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi and maybe Messi being rotated on a more regular basis.

That's bullshit man, Iniesta is an ever-present in that team and will be for many years to come. Villa, I'll give you that but if he gets anywhere near his top form then even you must be able to see that Pedro would be the first one to be benched. Or perhaps Messi would make way?

You seem to think I'm criticising Iniesta and Villa?

The-Reporter wrote:

Jamie wrote:It's not even true though. Villa and Iniesta's places would be just as much up for threat as Pedro after his performances in the past few seasons. You only have to look at Henry and Mascherano for two examples of how Guardiola isn't scared to bench top players.

The reality is if another top player was bought Pedro wouldn't suffer alone, it would be more like Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi and maybe Messi being rotated on a more regular basis.

Who's gona replace Messi?

Maybe against shit teams he might stick somebody in because they dont actually need him but if you're Messi you want to play every game so you get that amazing record he has.

Hence the maybe before Messi.

I'm just saying that Pedro wouldn't be the only one to suffer, they'd all spend a few games on the bench if a new player came in.

ayvee1 wrote:What I got from Lux's arguments is that if a great new player came in, the manager would look to find space in the team and in his opinion Pedro would be first to make way. He is dispensable (form not withstanding) as opposed to the indispensable players like Messi Xavi Iniesta etc. Pedro is not part of the teams core and is far more subject to relegation to the bench than anyone else in the Barca attack.

I think what everyone else got caught up on is Lux's use of the word 'fringe' whilst trying to describe Pedro's place in the team; which was largely irrelevant to the point he was trying to make and the argument as a whole.

Like you said the point they were making was completely irrelevant.

Ahly and Jamie have their own point...except one was fair enough and agreed to disagree...whilst Jamie is on some cool kid crusade.

Have your opinion Jamie but I don't think mine is so ridiculous that you need to be getting mad at me with all this "NO...BULLSHIT" kinda stuff.

Jamie wrote:

GeorgeL wrote:

Jamie wrote:It's not even true though. Villa and Iniesta's places would be just as much up for threat as Pedro after his performances in the past few seasons. You only have to look at Henry and Mascherano for two examples of how Guardiola isn't scared to bench top players.

The reality is if another top player was bought Pedro wouldn't suffer alone, it would be more like Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi and maybe Messi being rotated on a more regular basis.

That's bullshit man, Iniesta is an ever-present in that team and will be for many years to come. Villa, I'll give you that but if he gets anywhere near his top form then even you must be able to see that Pedro would be the first one to be benched. Or perhaps Messi would make way?

You seem to think I'm criticising Iniesta and Villa?

You're comparing them as both equally vulnerable as Pedro if a new, better player came in. That's BS my friend; there is a reason Iniesta is on the shortlist for the Ballon D'Or and Pedro was nowhere near even the longer list....

GeorgeL wrote:

Jamie wrote:

GeorgeL wrote:

Jamie wrote:It's not even true though. Villa and Iniesta's places would be just as much up for threat as Pedro after his performances in the past few seasons. You only have to look at Henry and Mascherano for two examples of how Guardiola isn't scared to bench top players.

The reality is if another top player was bought Pedro wouldn't suffer alone, it would be more like Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi and maybe Messi being rotated on a more regular basis.

That's bullshit man, Iniesta is an ever-present in that team and will be for many years to come. Villa, I'll give you that but if he gets anywhere near his top form then even you must be able to see that Pedro would be the first one to be benched. Or perhaps Messi would make way?

You seem to think I'm criticising Iniesta and Villa?

You're comparing them as both equally vulnerable as Pedro if a new, better player came in. That's BS my friend; there is a reason Iniesta is on the shortlist for the Ballon D'Or and Pedro was nowhere near even the longer list....

Yeah, and it's called scoring the world cup winning goal.

Iniesta was injured a lot last season, so Pedro was clearly the better of the 2 for Barcelona. This season, it's been closer. Iniesta would edge it but there isn't a big gap.

So seriously, fuck off and stop judging players on reputation.

Iniesta is amazing, but so overrated by people who only watch big games on ITV and saw him smash in the winner v Chelsea and in the World Cup final.

Pedro is fucking class, I watch Barca week in week out and he's as important as most players in that starting 11.

Probably. Well he's only been recognised by the general public since then anyway. He is a world class player but it's strange that he's only got that reputation in England over the past season or two.

I expect the same will happen with Pedro when he scores an important champions league goal though, just the way fickle fans are.

kyro7 wrote:Iniesta is amazing, but so overrated by people who only watch big games on ITV and saw him smash in the winner v Chelsea and in the World Cup final.

Pedro is fucking class, I watch Barca week in week out and he's as important as most players in that starting 11.

Is Pedro as good as Nani?

The-Reporter wrote:

kyro7 wrote:Iniesta is amazing, but so overrated by people who only watch big games on ITV and saw him smash in the winner v Chelsea and in the World Cup final.

Pedro is fucking class, I watch Barca week in week out and he's as important as most players in that starting 11.

Is Pedro as good as Nani?

At what he does, yes.

They're kind of different because Pedro moves all over the place more, and is more of a forward than Nani and gets in behind more, Pedro is a class act.

Jamie wrote:

GeorgeL wrote:

Jamie wrote:

GeorgeL wrote:

Jamie wrote:It's not even true though. Villa and Iniesta's places would be just as much up for threat as Pedro after his performances in the past few seasons. You only have to look at Henry and Mascherano for two examples of how Guardiola isn't scared to bench top players.

The reality is if another top player was bought Pedro wouldn't suffer alone, it would be more like Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi and maybe Messi being rotated on a more regular basis.

That's bullshit man, Iniesta is an ever-present in that team and will be for many years to come. Villa, I'll give you that but if he gets anywhere near his top form then even you must be able to see that Pedro would be the first one to be benched. Or perhaps Messi would make way?

You seem to think I'm criticising Iniesta and Villa?

You're comparing them as both equally vulnerable as Pedro if a new, better player came in. That's BS my friend; there is a reason Iniesta is on the shortlist for the Ballon D'Or and Pedro was nowhere near even the longer list....

Yeah, and it's called scoring the world cup winning goal.

Iniesta was injured a lot last season, so Pedro was clearly the better of the 2 for Barcelona. This season, it's been closer. Iniesta would edge it but there isn't a big gap.

So seriously, fuck off and stop judging players on reputation.

I judge players on what I've seem them do on a football pitch, so seriously fuck off and stop judging people without a scrap of evidence.

Iniesta is a better player than Pedro mate. To deny this is ridiculous. I've seen the lad play a lot and he's a very good player, but Iniesta is better. You can't go saying Iniesta was injured which makes Pedro better than him. Thats a lazy, stupid argument and shows your clutching at straws.

kyro7 wrote:Iniesta is amazing, but so overrated by people who only
watch big games on ITV and saw him smash in the winner v Chelsea and in
the World Cup final.

Pedro is fucking class, I watch Barca week in week out and he's as important as most players in that starting 11.

As do I and I can see that Iniesta is a better player than Pedro. Comon, stop shitting me guys I think 98% of people that watch Barcelona would say Iniesta is better than Pedro.

Iniesta is more valuable to Barcelona, yes.

But Pedro is really good, and I don't think people have come to realise his ability yet.

Errrr....where have I ever said Pedro is better than Iniesta?

Jamie wrote:Errrr....where have I ever said Pedro is better than Iniesta?

Jamie wrote:Errrr....where have I ever said Pedro is better than Iniesta?

I never said you had.

However you strongly implied that they were of equal ability when you said they would be as vulnerable as each other in the hypothetical situation that someone better came into the team. I'm saying that claiming Pedro is as good as Iniesta is BS. That is all.

@Kyro, no doubt many people who don't watch Barcelona will think Pedro is just some fringe player who luckily got a few games at the World Cup because Torres was off form. Those people are ignorant people.

He's not as good. They would be as vulnerable though. Iniesta suffers from regular muscle related injuries which Pedro doesn't. Same with Xavi, if a top player came in it would allow them to be rested more regularly and Pedro would start.

I also believe he'd be less vulnerable than people think as Guardiola would reward him for his form over the past few seasons, like with Busquets earning his place ahead of Keita, Toure and Mascherano.

Jamie wrote:He's not as good. They would be as vulnerable though. Iniesta suffers from regular muscle related injuries which Pedro doesn't. Same with Xavi, if a top player came in it would allow them to be rested more regularly and Pedro would start.

I also believe he'd be less vulnerable than people think as Guardiola would reward him for his form over the past few seasons, like with Busquets earning his place ahead of Keita, Toure and Mascherano.

Perhaps, but in the big games I'd bet my whole pathetic excuse for a bank account on Iniesta starting.

Not sure about you're second point - I think Pep would do what he needed to win games. We all know about his strategy of preferring La Masia graduates, which is why (in my opinion) Busquets did get ahead of Keita and Toure as you say. This whole La Masia thing doesn't apply to Iniesta vs Pedro for obvious reasons. As for Mascherano unless he's content to be a squad player, he's stupid for going there. Pep has a young, established La Masia graduate that he has bled into the first team gradually and successfully and it was always going to take some extraordinary performances from Masch to nudge him out and he hasn't really settled in Barcelona so far.