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    Blatter: Boateng was wrong to 'run away'

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    Post by dena Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:01 am

    Zzonked wrote:
    dena wrote:Here's my thing, when faced with an issue, do you run away from it, or try to solve it? S'all I'm saying.

    You're acting like they took the easy way out, walking off probably took far more balls than playing on and pretending it wasn't happening. It's hardly running away from their problems either, they've walked off to try and get more attention and prove that it is completely unacceptable. Do you think this sort of debate would have happened if they stayed and played on? It would probably just be brushed under the rug, or at most have a small amount of attention.

    This debate happens every year, we know it's a problem, and players know that if they play in certain countries that they will be abused, and what has been done? Nothing.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:03 am

    dena wrote:You're all helping me make my point, like I said earlier, the players can't do anything, walking off the pitch does nothing, it's up to the clubs, the leagues, the federations, and FIFA to make the changes and what are they doing? We see these Let's Kick out Racism T-shirts but besides that what actions is anyone from an administration level doing to prevent these incidents from happing? I'm not necessarily blaming the players, but walking off achieves nothing. In fact it probably reinforces the people who are making these chants because they don't want these players playing for their club / in their country anyway.
    This for me has nothing to do with why I said it's the stupidest thing you've ever said, how is he supposed to "try to solve it", he can't. Neutral
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    Post by dena Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:06 am

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    dena wrote:You're all helping me make my point, like I said earlier, the players can't do anything, walking off the pitch does nothing, it's up to the clubs, the leagues, the federations, and FIFA to make the changes and what are they doing? We see these Let's Kick out Racism T-shirts but besides that what actions is anyone from an administration level doing to prevent these incidents from happing? I'm not necessarily blaming the players, but walking off achieves nothing. In fact it probably reinforces the people who are making these chants because they don't want these players playing for their club / in their country anyway.
    This for me has nothing to do with why I said it's the stupidest thing you've ever said, how is he supposed to "try to solve it", he can't. Neutral

    I'm wasn't speaking about KPB as an individual, I'm speaking on players as a whole. This has little to do with KPB.
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    Post by Zzonked Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:27 am

    dena wrote:You're all helping me make my point, like I said earlier, the players can't do anything, walking off the pitch does nothing, it's up to the clubs, the leagues, the federations, and FIFA to make the changes and what are they doing? We see these Let's Kick out Racism T-shirts but besides that what actions is anyone from an administration level doing to prevent these incidents from happing? I'm not necessarily blaming the players, but walking off achieves nothing. In fact it probably reinforces the people who are making these chants because they don't want these players playing for their club / in their country anyway.

    I disagree. The players can do something and that is apply pressure to force change, or faster change. There can be no football if players don't agree to play, walking off is the strongest actions they could possibly take.

    The fact that you say federations are doing nothing, surely that suggests that players should do this sort of thing more often? Otherwise they will never force their hand and nothing will happen. Walking off the pitch gives federations a practical reason to deal with racism, to couple with the moral one that doesn't seem to be working very well.
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    Post by Guest Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:35 am

    dena wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:
    dena wrote:You're all helping me make my point, like I said earlier, the players can't do anything, walking off the pitch does nothing, it's up to the clubs, the leagues, the federations, and FIFA to make the changes and what are they doing? We see these Let's Kick out Racism T-shirts but besides that what actions is anyone from an administration level doing to prevent these incidents from happing? I'm not necessarily blaming the players, but walking off achieves nothing. In fact it probably reinforces the people who are making these chants because they don't want these players playing for their club / in their country anyway.
    This for me has nothing to do with why I said it's the stupidest thing you've ever said, how is he supposed to "try to solve it", he can't. Neutral

    I'm wasn't speaking about KPB as an individual, I'm speaking on players as a whole. This has little to do with KPB.
    I still don't see how they can do something by staying on the pitch, at least this way it causes a fuss.
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    Post by dena Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:48 am

    Zzonked wrote:
    dena wrote:You're all helping me make my point, like I said earlier, the players can't do anything, walking off the pitch does nothing, it's up to the clubs, the leagues, the federations, and FIFA to make the changes and what are they doing? We see these Let's Kick out Racism T-shirts but besides that what actions is anyone from an administration level doing to prevent these incidents from happing? I'm not necessarily blaming the players, but walking off achieves nothing. In fact it probably reinforces the people who are making these chants because they don't want these players playing for their club / in their country anyway.

    I disagree. The players can do something and that is apply pressure to force change, or faster change. There can be no football if players don't agree to play, walking off is the strongest actions they could possibly take.

    The fact that you say federations are doing nothing, surely that suggests that players should do this sort of thing more often? Otherwise they will never force their hand and nothing will happen. Walking off the pitch gives federations a practical reason to deal with racism, to couple with the moral one that doesn't seem to be working very well.

    No it doesnt, Real Zaragoza was fined $11,000 USD for their fans abusing Eto'o in 2006. Caligari was fined 22k Euro's in 2010. That's not practical action, especially in two countries where this seems to be a "thing".

    My main point here is not that walking off in protest is wrong or anything, any maybe my last post made it seem that way, but when something doesn't go your way do you protest or do you try to take REAL action, the players KNOW that walking off the field won't prevent this from happening, and yet, who is leading the stand for fundamental change in how we deal with these actions?
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:13 am

    Zibra wrote:Boa did the right thing, minus kicking the ball into the stands.
    http://www.football-italia.net/29228/figc-suspend-games-racism


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