They should be banned from football or demoted to League 2
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Fergie and Manchester United control The FA.
Forest-
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Accrington Stanley, who are they?
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1. Alex was not happy with Foy after Tottenham game, Foy referees a League Two game.
2. Mike Dean, referee, when Blackburn beat Utd 2-3, hasn't refereed a Man Utd game since.
3. Mike Dean referee in 2010, after Utd's defeat to Chelsea, was demoted to the Championship.
4. Wiley, called "fat and unfit" by Alex after Utd's draw with Sunderland, "agreed to retire" this season.
5. Clattenburg (1-6 to City) hasn't refereed a single United game after that Manchester derby.
6. Martin Atkinson - Involved in Utd's defeat to Chelsea, criticized by Alex, hasn't refereed Utd since.
7. Ex ref Jeff Winter openly stating that he hadn't been given a United game for 2 years after sending Keane off.
8. Howard Webb has been United's most used referee since the defeat to Manchester City.
9. More than 18% of the penalties Webb has awarded in his 8 year career have been to United.
10. United's CEO is on the board of the English FA.
2. Mike Dean, referee, when Blackburn beat Utd 2-3, hasn't refereed a Man Utd game since.
3. Mike Dean referee in 2010, after Utd's defeat to Chelsea, was demoted to the Championship.
4. Wiley, called "fat and unfit" by Alex after Utd's draw with Sunderland, "agreed to retire" this season.
5. Clattenburg (1-6 to City) hasn't refereed a single United game after that Manchester derby.
6. Martin Atkinson - Involved in Utd's defeat to Chelsea, criticized by Alex, hasn't refereed Utd since.
7. Ex ref Jeff Winter openly stating that he hadn't been given a United game for 2 years after sending Keane off.
8. Howard Webb has been United's most used referee since the defeat to Manchester City.
9. More than 18% of the penalties Webb has awarded in his 8 year career have been to United.
10. United's CEO is on the board of the English FA.
AndItsKoren!-
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They also bought lady luck and she is sleeping with Van Persie right now. I hope she dies or cheats on him.
AndItsKoren!-
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The demoted to lower leagues this isn't something to look at tbh. I believe there are 12 official PL refs (heard it the other day) and only 10 PL fixtures.
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So True...Here are the facts.
1. Alex not happy with Foy, Foy referees a League Two game. #FACT
2. Mike Dean, referee, when Blackburn beat Utd 2-3, hasn't refereed a Utd game since. #FACT
3. Mike Dean - referee, in 2010, after Utd's defeat to Chelsea, was demoted to the Championship. #FACT
4. Wiley, called "fat and unfit" by Alex after Utd's draw with Sunderland, "agreed to retire" that season. #FACT
5. Clattenburg (1-6 to City) hasn't refereed a single United game after that Manchester derby. #FACT
6. Martin Atkinson - Involved in Utd's defeat to Chelsea, criticized by Alex, hasn't refereed Utd since. #FACT
7. Ex ref Jeff Winter openly stating that he hadn't been given a United game for 2 years after sending Keane off. #FACT
8. Howard Webb has been United's most used referee since the defeat to Manchester City. #FACT
9. More than 18% of the penalties Webb has awarded in his 8 year career have been to United. #FACT
10. United's CEO is on the board of the English FA. (Just in case the refs don't do their 'jobs'.) #FACT
And then they say utd doesnt own any refs. Fergies Association!
FA=Ferguson Association #FACT
1. Alex not happy with Foy, Foy referees a League Two game. #FACT
2. Mike Dean, referee, when Blackburn beat Utd 2-3, hasn't refereed a Utd game since. #FACT
3. Mike Dean - referee, in 2010, after Utd's defeat to Chelsea, was demoted to the Championship. #FACT
4. Wiley, called "fat and unfit" by Alex after Utd's draw with Sunderland, "agreed to retire" that season. #FACT
5. Clattenburg (1-6 to City) hasn't refereed a single United game after that Manchester derby. #FACT
6. Martin Atkinson - Involved in Utd's defeat to Chelsea, criticized by Alex, hasn't refereed Utd since. #FACT
7. Ex ref Jeff Winter openly stating that he hadn't been given a United game for 2 years after sending Keane off. #FACT
8. Howard Webb has been United's most used referee since the defeat to Manchester City. #FACT
9. More than 18% of the penalties Webb has awarded in his 8 year career have been to United. #FACT
10. United's CEO is on the board of the English FA. (Just in case the refs don't do their 'jobs'.) #FACT
And then they say utd doesnt own any refs. Fergies Association!
FA=Ferguson Association #FACT
Kuled-
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You people actually think there's a conspiracy 
Scuba Steve-
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What do you mean, you people?
Zzonked-
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Scuba Steve wrote:What do you mean, you people?
I was going to post that.
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Yeah they move up and down divisons quite often
crump-
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Don't bother posting crap, I want a proper discussion.
I found this article, so read this first before you make points.
I found this article, so read this first before you make points.
- Spoiler:
- "The Truth is Out There"
Oliver Stone once said: “Paranoia is having all the facts”. Many of us die hard football fans know exactly what he means.
I've long held the view that something very fishy goes on in English football.
I’m not the most naturally trusting of guys anyways. When it comes to institutions, I'm downright skeptical of them. I have very little respect or trust in governments, police, and media or football institutions. It's not me being paranoid either: week after week, I’m proven correct on my doubts about them (to any Liverpool fan the findings of the Hillsborough report came as absolutely no surprise).
When it comes to football, it's not even lack of trust. It's plain common sense.
In recent years, we've had a huge number of corruption scandals all across Europe. Several of them in Italy, the corrupt referee Hoyser in Germany, Fenerbahce being docked their title in Turkey, Spain's second division scandals, Marseille a while ago in France, Porto in Portugal etc...
Of course, the one league where nothing ever gets proven to be dodgy is in England. The richest and most watched league in the world is, we are told, completely squeaky clean.
Leaving aside the sheer ridiculousness of that statement, ask yourself this: if corruption gets proven all across Europe, how is the most popular league in the world, with the biggest prize monies in football, whose clubs are owned by some of the richest people in the world, run by stakeholders that are the most powerful media moguls in the world, immune from this? With the amounts of money at *, how has it managed to be so clean for so long?
To dismiss any talks of corruption in the premier league is to fall for 2 of the traits that characterize the English the most: a sheer egocentric belief that they are better than anyone else and their complete faith in the country's institutions. To them, it’s entirely logical that that stuff goes on abroad where institutions are corrupt, but it’s impossible in England. Just like diving is a foreign disease and Uruguay is the epicenter of racism, unlike the multi cultural tolerance of middle England.
I share neither of those traits. By pure logic, when I see corruption in every facet of English life (MP's expenses scandal, banking sector, the war on Iraq, Leveson enquiry, Hillsborough, The Guilford 4, The Birmingham 6 et all...) as well as entire European football, I ask why is it impossible as many deem, for it to be happening in English football too?
I have followed football since 1986. I have seen for years how Manchester United benefits from refereeing decisions. I don’t need an investigation to tell me this: it happens on a near weekly basis to the point where people are so immune to it, they laugh it off.
I have seen the influence Alex Ferguson has on every facet of the English game. When his Darren son got fired as manager of Preston North End, I watched with bemusement as Ferguson immediately recalled his loan players from Deepdale. I then watched in horror as another club in the premier league, managed by Ferguson’s father’s friend Tony Pullis, also recalled their loan players from PNE.
The message was clear: Mess with Mr Ferguson or his children, and you will be punished.
And not just from Mr Ferguson either. By his friends in football.
Recently, ex referee Jeff Winter stated that he once sent Roy Keane off in a match. He was then criticized by Ferguson and not given a Manchester United game to referee for 2 years. He saw that as punishment as he said that “The FA is reticent to give Manchester United games to referees that Ferguson has criticized in the past”.
Read that statement again. Ferguson criticizes referees that give decisions against his club. Most likely, these decisions happen in games Manchester United lose. The FA reacts to the criticism by not assigning said referees in future Manchester United games. Thus, the only referees assigned to United games are ones that Ferguson approves of.
The referees that have given decisions Ferguson deem to be incorrect against United, however, no longer referee their games (usually the most high profile ones). It’s a terrible indictment of sporting impartiality, justice and the way the game is run in England. This form of selective referee assignement led to the Juventus scandal in 2006.
Winter’s comments prompted me to do my own research. I focused on the referees that took charge of United 2 biggest high profile losses in the last decade or so.
Alain Wiley refereed United’s 4-1 loss to Liverpool in 2009. In that game, he gave both United and Liverpool penalties and sent off Nemanja Vidic. All 3 decisions were absolutely correct and Wiley was praised by Sky TV co-commentator Andy Gray for his performance. Not even Ferguson complained.
Later that year, Wiley was given another United game to referee and despite sending off Kieran Richardson of Sunderland, Wiley was lambasted by Ferguson for being “fat and unfit”. The game ended 2-2.
That would be the end of Wiley’s refereeing career. Wiley, it says cryptically on his Wikipedia page, “agreed to retire” at the end of that season. Agreed with whom? No one knows.
Last season, Manchester City romped to a 6-1 win at Old Trafford, inflicting on their rivals their biggest embarrassment under Ferguson. The referee on that day was Mark Clattenburg. He sent Johnny Evans off in the second half for a clear professional foul.
There have been 34 Man United league games since that day. The number of times times Clattenburg has refereed them? Zero. Not a single one.
It seems that the FA, for whatever reason, doesn’t want Clattenburg to referee Man United games anymore. Some of us more paranoid folk may just wonder who’s behind that decision.
The FA has no hesitation to hand United games to Howard Webb though: he’s been the most used referee in 34 United games since the 6-1 defeat to City.
Webb’s history in Man United games are well known and documented. All I have to say on the matter is that more than 18% of the penalties he’s awarded in his ENTIRE premier league refereeing career have gone to Manchester United. Over a 9 year period, that’s a huge percentage.
So in closing, let’s resume what we’ve discovered. We have an ex premier league referee who has openly stated he was not handed a Manchester United game for 2 years after sending off one of their players. We have an FA who, in said referee’s words, don’t hand Manchester United games to referees that the United manager has previously criticized.
We have a referee who took charge of a heavy United defeat and “agreed to retire” a year later after being called unfit by Alex Ferguson. We have another referee who hasn’t been handed a United game to officiate since he reffed a heavy United defeat 34 league games ago.
Meanwhile, the most used official in United games in that time is the man who has handed 18% of his entire career penalty awards to Ferguson’s team.
Factor in the fact that Manchester United CEO is ON THE BOARD OF the English FA, Alex Ferguson is a knight of the realm with political connections that go a lot deeper than football (just read Allistair Campbell’s diaries if you don’t believe me), and the evidence in the Darren Ferguson sacking that clubs that cross Ferguson get punished by his friends, and you have all the tools there for someone more investigative than me to really delve into.
But yet, nothing happens. Year on year, I watch as not a single journalist utters a peep on the subject. I watch as decision after decision goes United’s way and people in the UK, so much better than everyone else and trusting of their institutions remember, brush them off with insouciance.
In Italy, there would have been phone tap investigations a long time ago. In "so much cleaner than everywhere else" England, we’re paranoid.
Why is that?
Well, when you look at who runs the sport in the country, you understand a bit more. Rupert Murdoch’s Sky live off the premier league. So do his other publications like the Sun. The English media’s last priority is going to investigate and damage one of their biggest cash cows.
Imagine the hit to the revenue streams of the media and clubs if corruption is proved in the premier league? The richest league in the world, so carefully and beautifully marketed across the world, would suffer a huge blow. The effects an investigation would have on Manchester United, the cash cow’s biggest cash cow, would also be devastating.
So it’s all swept under the tabled and every refereeing decision shrugged off. “They even themselves out” we’re told by journalists who get banned from United press conferences for asking a question about team selection.
God knows what would happen to them if they investigate United’s behind the scenes dealings.
Maybe, like Preston, they’ll learn that if you cross Man United, all of football will turn their backs on you too…
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Re: Fergie and Manchester United control The FA.
by Phadunkin Donuts Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:33 am
You and Forest are a cute couple.
crump-
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Ignore the facts.
MANCHESTER UNITED: CORRUPT.
MANCHESTER UNITED: CORRUPT.
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Yeah, sorry, but I'm a ninja.
ShakerMatty-
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My people.
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Shut the fuck up.crump wrote:Ignore the facts.
MANCHESTER UNITED: CORRUPT.
Scuba Steve-
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Shakers?
crump-
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The truth is out there.
It's a matter of time now.
Murdoch and his empire his coming down along with Manchester United.
It's a matter of time now.
Murdoch and his empire his coming down along with Manchester United.
ShakerMatty-
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Aye.
We are the Shaker clan.
We are the Shaker clan.
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Many bigger teams get more favourable decisions for them but it happens in many sports and I've seen it a lot more in rugby league.
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Three threads on this..
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If you want corrupt, I give you the name Mike Riley. This ex referee is from Leeds, in a game involving Hull and Burnley, a game which Hull dominated, he sent off 4 players in an attempt to not only stop Hull winning, but also damage their promotion ambitions.
Hull did earn promotion in the end, but it didn't stop there.
In an FA Cup quarter final involving Hull and Arsenal at Emirates Stadum, a game in which Hull took the lead, Mike Riley then decided he didn't want Hull in the FA Cup semi final, so started giving bizarre decisions, telling the goalkeeper to hurry up with his kick when he didn't even have the ball and to top it all off, he give a goal that was about 10 yards offside with Arsenal getting the victory.
Such a prick.
Hull did earn promotion in the end, but it didn't stop there.
In an FA Cup quarter final involving Hull and Arsenal at Emirates Stadum, a game in which Hull took the lead, Mike Riley then decided he didn't want Hull in the FA Cup semi final, so started giving bizarre decisions, telling the goalkeeper to hurry up with his kick when he didn't even have the ball and to top it all off, he give a goal that was about 10 yards offside with Arsenal getting the victory.
Such a prick.
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Re: Fergie and Manchester United control The FA.
by VivaRonaldoLAD Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:00 am
Jordi wrote:Three threads on this..
Mine was different and I wanted to know if they were actually true, they someone went and copied it into this thread
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I honestly couldn't give a shit.
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ShakerMatty wrote:Many bigger teams get more favourable decisions for them but it happens in many sports and I've seen it a lot more in rugby league.
Fking Berry getting the big decisions all the time.
ShakerMatty-
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Zzonked wrote:ShakerMatty wrote:Many bigger teams get more favourable decisions for them but it happens in many sports and I've seen it a lot more in rugby league.
Fking Berry getting the big decisions all the time.
We bribe the ref with black puddings and our finest beer.
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ShakerMatty wrote:Many bigger teams get more favourable decisions for them but it happens in many sports and I've seen it a lot more in rugby league.
I love it when people say this and use it as an argument for referees being biased. It's obvious better teams will get more decisions when they have more of the ball, dominate games and do less defending.
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To be honest all those refs mentioned are all bad and make fuck ups and cost games, so its a good thing they dont ref united games anymore.
